2011 NBA Draft Grades
by Kevin Sawyer on Jun 24, 2011 2:50 PM EDT
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PrintSelf explanatory. Some winners, some losers, one Biyombo.
Atlanta Hawks
Picks:
Keith Benson (48)
Grade: C+
I don’t mind the Benson pick. It makes sense to take a chance on blocks and rebounding at the 48. The dude did a lot of things well, from shooting to getting to the line, albeit against mediocre competition. Not sure the Hinrich for first-rounder swap was a great plan. This team needs some pieces if it’s going to move on from Josh Smith.
Boston Celtics
Picks: JaJuan Johnson (27), E’Twaun Moore (55)
Grade: A-
Johnson projects as a spot up shooter, someone who can probably spell Kevin Garnett without hemorrhaging in any one particular area. If he falls in love with the three-point shot, though, he’ll be pretty useless. Similarly, E’Twaun Moore should have a shot to make the roster with his perimeter scoring. I’m not sure if I buy into the intangible benefit of bringing two players on from the same team, but it almost certainly can’t hurt, and both picks are old enough to contribute right away for a team making a last run at glory.
Charlotte Bobcats
Picks: Bismack Biyombo (7), Kemba Walker (9)
Grade B+
Ah, the difference a competent GM makes. Exploiting Milwaukee’s desperation to get rid of (a still useful) Corey Maggette, the Bobcats moved up in the draft to get a Biyombo AND unloaded a (not really useful) Stephen Jackson. The Walker pick takes it down a notch for me, although he makes more sense for that roster.
Chicago Bulls
Picks: Nicola Mirotic (23), Jimmy Butler (30)
Grade: A-
Prototypical 60-win team draft. The Bulls grabbed one player to stash in Europe, and one defensive ace with lots of intangibles. Butler will fit right in on the Bulls Roster, and might be a bit better on offense than you might assume. Not sure they needed to package two picks to get Mirotic, but what were they really going to do with the 43rd pick?
Cleveland Cavaliers
Picks: Kyrie Irving (1), Tristan Thompson (4), Milan Macvan (54)
Grade: B
Kyrie Irving wasn’t quite a no-brainer, but he was close. I think they reached for Tristan Thompson. I would have been content with him at the eight, and I think he could be very productive. But the Cavs could have gotten much more creative at the 4. I won’t pretend to be up on my Milan Macvan trivia. Scouts are using the words "Basketball IQ" and "wingspan", so I’m guessing he’s a dud.
Dallas Mavericks
Picks: Rudy Fernandez (TRADE)
Grade: B-
Tough to know how to parse this one. The Mavs unloaded their pick for an established player, but in Fernandez, they have a player who is every bit the mystery a foreign draft pick would be. After an outstanding rookie season (59% True Shooting), Fernandez regressed, and clearly wore out his welcome in Portland. If he can rebound with the Mavericks, this will be a huge pickup.
Denver Nuggets
Grade: A-
Picks: Kenneth Faried (22), Jordan Hamilton (26), Chukwudiebere Maduabum (56)
How much wood would Chukwudiebere chuck if Chukwudiebere could chuck wood? Irrelevant. The prizes here are Faried and Hamilton. When you get the most prolific rebounder in the history of the NCAA at the 22 slot, you’ve won the night. As for Hamilton, the Nuggets are probably banking on him thriving in an up-tempo system. He’s young enough, and a solid enough shooter from distance, to justify the pick. Chu-chu, as he’s known, comes from the D-League as a defensive specialist, theoretically.
Detroit Pistons
Picks: Brandon Knight (8), Kyle Singler (33), Vernon Macklin (52)
Grade: F
It’s possible that Knight will become a competent point guard at the NBA level. It’s just that there isn’t anything in his NCAA profile to suggest it is in the cards. He didn’t do anything particularly well. Worse, the teams that decided to take a look at him passed on him. Singler and Macklin are simply wasted picks. They are already in their mid-20s, and weren’t very good in college. Detroit did not improve its roster last night, and that is inexcusable.
Golden State Warriors
Picks: Klay Thompson (11), Jeremy Tyler (39), Charles Jenkins (44)
Grade: C-
Oh look, Golden State got another volume shooter. The Jeremy Tyler pick is interesting simply because it is not unreasonable to chalk up his failure to date as culture shock. I like the Jenkins pickup. We’ll have to see if his numbers against weaker competition will translate, because he was solid in every category. I’ll take a 64% TS in the second round any day.
Houston Rockets
Picks: Marcus Morris (14), Donatas Motiejunas (20), Chandler Parsons (38)
Grade: D+
I’m at a loss to figure this out. I’ll entertain the possibility that playing alongside his twin impacted Marcus Morris’ numbers. Motiejunas is a complete mystery. Was any other team even going to draft Chandler Parsons? Far be it from me to question the methods of the Houston Moneyballers, but I have to call it like I see it.
Indiana Pacers
Picks: George Hill (trade)
Grade: B+
Getting a young, proven talent like Hill is certainly worth a mid-first in a mediocre draft. But what about Darren Collison? Given that the Pacers brand is as much about image as it is about basketball, bringing an Indianapolis native and solid character guy has some extra value. Also, this gives lie to the notion that the Pistons could not have traded down in this draft.
Los Angeles Clippers
Picks: Trey Thompkins (37), Travis Leslie (47)
Grade: F
Kyrie Irving > Mo Williams. Trey Thompkins is a jump shooting power forward. Travis Leslie is a combo guard who can’t shoot. The Clippers are fail.
Los Angeles Lakers
Picks: Darius Morris (41), Andrew Goudelock (46), Ater Majok (58)
Grade: B
Morris’ shooting numbers are problematic, but his enormous improvement playing the point guard position between his freshman and sophomore years make him a reasonable risk at 41. Goudelock is a knock down shooter, and will earn minutes for that reason. Sometimes, I think the Lakers just like to entertain themselves by drafting players with funny names. In that respect, the 58th pick in the draft has already paid off. He doesn’t seem to be any good, though.
Memphis Grizzlies
Picks: Josh Selby (49)
Grade: D
Another combo guard who can’t shoot. He also has knee problems. He’s also a head case. But he has "lottery talent", whatever that means. Is there any precedent for a guy who didn’t perform in college AND has character issues every becoming a successful NBA player? It’s the 49 pick, but still.
Miami Heat
Picks: Norris Cole (28)
Grade: B-
Did the Heat make this pick simply because Cole played in Cleveland? Cole can probably backup Mario Chalmers without too much of a drop-off, thus relieving Mike Bibby of his duties. For some insight into just how mad the Pistons’ draft was, if Miami had landed Knight at the 28, they would have gotten the same grade.
Milwaukee Bucks
Picks: Tobias Harris (19), Jon Leuer (40)
Grade: C+
I’m not totally sold on Harris, who lacks athleticism and shooting. He’s young, and I think the Bucks are hoping he’ll be able to contribute on defense right away. The Bucks need rebounding, so passing on Faried was pretty dumb. I like the Leuer pick a lot. His numbers might have been overlooked because of Wisconsin’s methodical pace, but I think they can pair him with Bogut in the front court effectively. Great value at the 40.
Minnesota Timberwolves
Picks: Derrick Williams (2) , Malcolm Lee (43), Tanguy Ngombo (57)
Grade: B
Things got off to a nice start, then Kahn started doing stuff. I can’t keep straight all the stuff the Timberwolves did last night. He probably would have traded Williams, too, but the league forbid him to trade a basketball player for a Target Center-sized lollipop. I think he also negotiated Andorra’s independence, but I’m still unraveling it all. Malcolm Lee is a combo guard who cannot shoot. Tanguy Ngombo doesn’t even have a Draft Express profile.
New Jersey Nets
Picks: Marshon Brooks (25), Bojan Bogdanovic (31), Jordan Williams (36)
Grade: C-
Brooks shot the basketball more than anyone last year, and so naturally scored a lot of points. He’s a very inefficient player, though they might get something out of him in tandem with Deron Williams. At least he isn’t a combo guard. Bogdanovic is the Bosnian Marshon Brooks. I like the Jordan Williams pick in principle, but will he stay disciplined playing for a lottery team? If so, his rebounding should come in handy, especially if the other two picks get significant minutes.
New Orleans Hornets
Picks: None
Grade: N/A
Basically, they traded this pick for Jarret Jack. Shrug.
New York Knicks
Picks: Iman Shumpert (17), Josh Harrellson (45)
Grade: C
Shumpert was drafted as a defensive specialist, and could certainly fit with the Knicks in the regard. I just wonder if he can fight the impulse to shoot. If he can focus on getting some rebounds, playing lockdown defense, and occasionally hooking up Billups and Anthony, he’ll earn minutes. If he shoots threes, he’ll be an epic bust. I’m clueless as to why they passed up Faried here, though. Harrellson was probably worth a flier.
Oklahoma City Thunder
Picks: Reggie Jackson (24)
Grade: A-
Miami basically shut down his workouts, and it’s the worst of all worlds for Jackson, who will struggle to battle through a logjam at guard. On the other hand, the Jackson played the point pretty efficiently, and is a good value here. His Hollinger Rater performance (which is in the single digits) concerns me. There is a correlation between steals in college, and success at the point guard position in the NBA, so his lack thereof is potentially concerning.
Orlando Magic
Picks: Justin Harper (32), DeAndre Liggins (53)
Grade: B
Not sure if he is a stretch-four so much as a three in a four’s body, but Harper can absolutely shoot. If the Magic intend to keep Dwight Howard (and I’m sure they do), this is an outstanding pick, though big men who cannot rebound tend to be awfully limited in terms of their contribution. Liggins is nothing special, and is too old to become anything special.
Philadelphia 76ers
Picks: Nikola Vucevic (16), Lavoy Allen (50)
Grade: B+
Vucevic, projects pretty well, based on his rebounding and block totals. He should be a solid pick, and certainly a good fit for the 76ers. Lavoy Allen? Nope.
Phoenix Suns
Picks: Markieff Morris (13)
Grade: A
A perfect fit for the Suns, Morris can defend and shoot from long range. The lingering perception that Marcus is the better basketball player (that’s why they play the games, yo) had teams down on Markieff, but I don’t see how the Suns could have done any better here.
Portland Trail Blazers
Picks: Nolan Smith (21), Jon Diebler (51)
Grade: C+
Smith is a combo guard who can kinda shoot. His Duke pedigree is what has him in the first round, I think. He turned the ball over a lot his senior year, suggesting the transition to point guard didn’t go very well. Diebler does one thing well, and that is three point shooting. There is a rumor he might be headed to Detroit, and I wouldn’t mind that. If not, a knockdown shooter late in the second is good sauce.
Sacramento Kings
Picks: Jimmer Fredette (10), Tyler Honeycutt (35), Isaiah Thomas (60)
Grade: D+
Fredette is not a top ten talent. The Kings took a massive downgrade here in order to pick up John Salmons. UCLA talent has a tendency to transition well to the NBA, but otherwise, I’m not seeing what Honeycutt brings. He rebounds reasonably well for the position, but is turnover prone and an average shooter. It feels like Isaiah Thomas will be around. The league needs a couple of super-short point guards, and the existing crop is getting old.
San Antonio Spurs
Picks: Kawhi Leonard (15), Cory Joseph (29), Davis Bertans (42), Adam Hanga (59)
Grade: B-
Leonard is appropriate value for this spot, but was he worth George Hill? If you figure both players will be above average, I guess you take Leonard’s affordability to the bank (literally). Cory Joseph is young and can shoot from long range, though I think the first round is a bit high for him. Did they think they couldn’t get him at the 42? David Bertans is the quintessential Spurs stash pick. Adam Hanga is a complete unknown. Toronto Raptors Picks: Jonas Valanciunas (5) Grade: B Valanciunas is a talented big in a draft short on talent and bigs. Not sure why the Raptors passed on Biyombo when they are in such desperate need of defense. Nonetheless, Valanciunas projects to be a very solid pro, and the Raptors could have done much worse.
Utah Jazz
Picks: Enes Kanter (3), Alec Burks (12)
Grade: C
There is a very good chance the Enes Kanter simply can’t play at the NBA level. That makes him an awfully risky pick. Alec Burks is a slashing scorer, which makes him a good fit for the Jazz, though he seems unlikely to become any sort of star. He also fits a positional need for them. If Kanter surprises, this grade could be way off, but the 3 and the 12 need to yield a better outcome than one high rotation player.
Washington Wizards
Picks: Jan Vesely (6), Chris Singleton (18), Shelvin Mack (34)
Grade: F
That Vesely pick is going to haunt them. He looks good dunking on Euro-sissies, but his stats don’t translate to NBA success, and he isn’t going to be able to dominate NBA athletes. Singelton is a good defender, but he’ll cost the Wizards dearly on the offensive end, especially if he wants to become a sloppy jump shooter. Shelvin Mack was taken on name recognition alone.
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The surprises early in the draft worked out to the benefit of the Pistons. The discussion surrounding Detroit was always centered around the big men, but with Thompson, Biyombo, and Valanciunas off the board it allowed Knight to fall into their lap. In all the discussion about putting a defensive-minded big man next to Greg Monroe, it ignored the fact that the biggest problem the Pistons had last year was their point guard play. Rodney Stuckey has never been able to operate the point the way Joe Dumars envisioned when he dealt Chauncey Billups, and point play has had a ripple effect on the team. When Ben Gordon had Chris Duhon or Derrick Rose as his point guard, he showed that he could score. In Milwaukee, Charlie Villanueva effectively stretched a defense at the forward spots, but they need a point guard to get them the ball. Greg Monroe did a great job off the ball screening and on the offensive glass, but if there was more structure and movement in the offense they could better make use of his ability to create from the high and low posts. Brandon Knight grew by leaps and bounds as a point guard from the beginning of his freshman year to the end. He will likely have some bumps in the road as is he does not turn 20 until December, but he is a bright kid who proved to be a quick study. While another combo forward was not something Detroit necessarily needed, certainly not when a promising big man like Trey Thompkins was there to be had, Singler is a known commodity who will play hard and challenge for a spot on the roster. Macklin showed flashes of NBA skills at Florida, and will have an opportunity to compete for a roster spot.
Ball Don’t Lie at Yahoo Sports: D
Ugh.
I don’t understand the hype behind Knight. I understand that he has promise, a sprightly nature, and a few years to go before we can ably judge him, but that’s the case for quite a few guards his age who have contributed much, much more at this age. Toss in Detroit’s already-crowded backcourt and the fact that they were a pick away from possibly adding a needed big man, and I just have to shake my head at yet another blown chance.
Singler seems like a fringe jack of all trades, and Macklin is a big man who averaged 5.4 rebounds per game last year despite working at 24 years of age.
No. 8: Brandon Knight, PG Kentucky
Knight is a really interesting pick for a Pistons team that was thought to be leaning toward taking some help to pair with Greg Monroe down low.
The club probably didn’t expect him to slip this far down, so this pick could represent a value selection. If that’s the case, they’re paying 60 cents on the dollar for a very solid point guard prospect.
There is a ton of upside with Knight as he was the most sought-after high school recruit in the country before committing to Kentucky, but he’s going to need to add some strength to an otherwise scrawny frame to keep up over an 82-game season.
No. 33: Kyle Singler, SF Duke
The Pistons opted for proven production when they selected Singler in the second round, and they clearly want someone who’s going to contribute for their team now.
He’s not an explosive athlete at all, but he has a high basketball IQ and doesn’t make a ton of unforced mistakes, so that should be really good for a young Pistons team that had trouble with that last season.
The Pistons recognize that they need major help along the front line. Although they already have Jonas Jerebko and Austin Daye, Singler can be an asset moving forward.
No. 52: Vernon Macklin, PF Florida
Macklin is a premier talent this late in the draft, but as a transfer from Georgetown, he didn’t stand out as prominently as he otherwise would have.
He adds bulk to a front line alongside Greg Monroe, and he can really play a big role for the Pistons moving forward if he cashes in on his potential.
Knight essentially fell into the Pistons’ laps at No. 8. Knight had been rumored to go as high as No. 3, or definitely No. 5, but perhaps No. 7 if he really slipped. Nuh uh. The Jazz took Enes Kanter at No. 3, the Raptors opted for Jonas Valanciunas at No. 5 and the Kings traded out of No. 7. That left Joe Dumars and Detroit staring the top guard in the draft in the face. Dumars did the smart thing and pocketed Knight.
The situation wasn’t all that different at No. 33, where Singler is most definitely an NBA player. Maybe he’s a roleplayer, but he can give that team solid minutes very early in his career.
Ford’s reasoning for giving the Pistons an A- is based on taking the best talent available in the first round. Detroit selected Kentucky guard Brandon Knight, who slipped to the No. 8 pick. Ford says that he applauds Joe Dumars for not hesitating to take the best available player. Dumars can worry about fitting him in at a later date, but the main thing is the Pistons added a very talented guard on Thursday night.
Ford might have given the Pistons an A if they selected someone other than Kyle Singler with the 33rd overall pick, but in general Ford wasn’t too down on the selection.
“I’m not in love with the Singler pick, but I also can’t argue definitively that there was a better prospect for the Pistons to take at No. 33. You can’t teach toughness and Singler has loads of it. If he ever becomes a consistent shooter, he could be a threat.”
Would look for more but currently don’t give a fuck.
Terrence J. is feeling a bit fishy...
by Trout Jefferson on Jun 24, 2011 3:08 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
We way and away had the worst draft.
I can’t even speak English at the moment.
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by Biz Markie Moon on Jun 24, 2011 3:09 PM EDT reply actions
that shit is downright sublime
That goddamn Okra and beans got you Oprah in jeans. Seems to me a little lean cuisine, wouldn't hurt much- Agh don't touch! -Obie Trice
yeah,because the Kings made the dumbest moves in the history of nba trades just to screw us u.
I mean seriously,what the hell is wrong with the Maloofs?They are broke,ok,but are they really drug addicts to do such a deal?They hate us.
by defense_first on Jun 25, 2011 9:41 AM EDT up reply actions
the feeling is mutual
I don’t wish for the team to move, but fuck and burn that franchise
That goddamn Okra and beans got you Oprah in jeans. Seems to me a little lean cuisine, wouldn't hurt much- Agh don't touch! -Obie Trice
Kevin Sawyer you are sorry never get a thought again on this site
Brandon Knight was a beast in college if you disagree, my question is did you even watch? he made big shot after big shot and is 19 room to grow. btw idk if you know but we need a point guard we dont have one.
“Singler and Macklin are simply wasted picks. They are already in their mid-20s, and weren’t very good in college.
singler is 23 (not mid 20s) I am sorry when has 4 years in college under the best coach in college a horrible decision?
“and weren’t very good in college”
singler was a beast at duke I feel your knowledge is little to none. I am not saying he is going to crack the starting lineup, no but iIam sayin in a year or two he may compete for one AND POSSIBLE BE A DAMN GOOD PLAYER .
Ill give you macklin but honestly who careS about a late 2nd rd pick anyways.
conclusion- you need to do proper research and really watch games before another thought makes it to the key board. you are damn fool!
ALL we need is 2 LB and 1 damn good CB and I see playoffs in our future RG would be nice too. GOOOOOOOO LIONSSSSSS loyal till the day I die unlike most fake fans.
by DetroitLions 4 life on Jun 24, 2011 3:37 PM EDT reply actions 10 recs
GOOD POINT, BENNIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11
Terrence J. is feeling a bit fishy...
by Trout Jefferson on Jun 24, 2011 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
seriously???
wow
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Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
by The Boourns on Jun 24, 2011 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions
-infinite
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by Biz Markie Moon on Jun 24, 2011 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions
way to not use the sarcasm font you asshole.
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
by The Boourns on Jun 24, 2011 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions
whats up with the diss, take it you don't like the Lions...
" Maybe for a writer...but i am sure most of you can tell i am not a writer". det32
no actually, i really don't care about them
note above where I said “i’m kidding dog dude bro”— I don’t have a problem with the Lions.
Got Hubie Brown's moms on speed dial.
because sports fans can only watch one sport???
haha
The Dis-Assembly Line - The unofficial, official name for the next best D-line in football.
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Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
by The Boourns on Jun 24, 2011 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Either that
or the trolls have found the rec button
by Rob Rogacki on Jun 24, 2011 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
which is precisely why
we’ve all to begin using the “recommend” button.
by freywagg on Jun 24, 2011 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
I thouroughly and enthusiastically recommend this poste
Welcome... to the Wallace-hood
by tads on Jun 25, 2011 7:47 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
rec'd for poste
That goddamn Okra and beans got you Oprah in jeans. Seems to me a little lean cuisine, wouldn't hurt much- Agh don't touch! -Obie Trice
by Skylar on Jun 25, 2011 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
rec'd
for who careS
Without a doubt, squats are a cure for everything.
by bearded thundar on Jun 24, 2011 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions
I wonder if he'll be our starting 3 this season
The guy is a decent role player, and with JJ starting at the 4 he remains our best wing defender (this is assuming both Tay and Eyebrows are gone)
Without a doubt, squats are a cure for everything.
by bearded thundar on Jun 24, 2011 9:13 PM EDT up reply actions
he starts, we lost
one of the worst rebounding forward prospects, one of the worst shooting prospects or a forward.
by brgulker on Jun 25, 2011 9:39 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
rec'd
for deteriorating grammar among regular posters. Cannot. Parse.
by Kevin Sawyer on Jun 25, 2011 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions
No one gives a damn
They’re just gonna cry until they’re proven wrong. Then they’ll be the same guys on here saying they loved the draft all along.
by fiendishdr.wu on Jun 25, 2011 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions
No, if I get proven wrong, I’ll say, huh, he surprised me. I care more about the team than any player. It’s bigger than that. It’s not like I’m going to hold a grudge against Brandon Knight even if he’s good. I just have no reason to think he’ll be good.
Mateen Cleaves all over again.
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by Biz Markie Moon on Jun 25, 2011 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions
difference being, duder
that there’s a searchable record of what we say on here that cannot be denied.
Got Hubie Brown's moms on speed dial.
by Mike Payne on Jun 25, 2011 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
look fellas thats the issue.
who cares if my I am a lions fan, that does not disregard the fact i have watched this team since we traded for big ben himself when i was 14.I watch this team before the great run. i am a fan and know more then your avg just because i do not comment often doesnt mean i dont read how negative you guys are alll the damn time.
btw name a better replacement the JOE D? give me options..
ALL we need is 2 LB and 1 damn good CB and I see playoffs in our future RG would be nice too. GOOOOOOOO LIONSSSSSS loyal till the day I die unlike most fake fans.
by DetroitLions 4 life on Jun 24, 2011 3:53 PM EDT reply actions
half of the commenters here would make for a better GM than Joe Dumars.
Got Hubie Brown's moms on speed dial.
oh ok
you mean the folks that thought stuckey should have been given a chance to prosper. name one guard that is a point guard that detroit have that is worth something. or can compare to a 18 yr old knight. oh better yet who would yall have drafted at the 8 spot.. wait before you type a answer go back and look who would be a better fit and is better then this 18yr old
you mean the folks that thought stuckey should have been given a chance to prosper.
Do you mean Joe Dumars? Because that was one of the primary reasonings behind trading Billups for Iverson.
no
i mean the people that thought stuckey would be a good fit… Ya Dumars made a dumb as decision for that trade thinking stuckey would be better or just as good a billups. when he only played in the playoffs and he played hard. ya joe d gets a F for that trade.
But all the so called fans that thought last year and the year before that. that stuckey would become a point guard. He wont ever be a point guard.
So what?
Nobody here supported getting rid of Chauncey to open up a starting spot for Stuckey. We thought he had potential. It hasn’t helped his cause that our coaches still play the team at a snail’s pace.
Either way, the lesson we learned from Stuckey is that we should make essentially the same mistake with a lesser player? Nothing in Knight’s profile suggests he is a point guard.
by Kevin Sawyer on Jun 24, 2011 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions
The pace of this team never seems to be brought up.
Or maybe I’ve just been missing things. But anyways, I get that the Pistons have built their franchise on defense and a gritty mentality, but does that really mean we need to walk the ball up the court and run isos to Tayshaun all day?
Seriously, this roster (shitty as it is) could benefit from opening the offense up a bit.
Plus, I’d like to see Charlie V’s sorry ass struggling to make it up and down the court.
by BoogieWoogie M.D. on Jun 24, 2011 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions
It's how the team operated under Chauncey
And we haven’t had a coach with the good sense to change it.
by Kevin Sawyer on Jun 24, 2011 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions
all the so called fans that thought last year and the year before that. that stuckey would become a point guard. He wont ever be a point guard.
You apparently haven’t been around here much over the years. Do you know how hard this community is on Stuckey and has been for the last several seasons? Do you know how long we have called for Joe to trade him and find an upgrade? I wrote a series of articles here at the end of last season on why Stuckey is the wrong fit and provided examples of players we could bring in to improve the team.
Instead, you show up here and suggest that we were all blind to how poor of a point guard Stuckey is and how we all supported him this whole time? Instead, you make ignorant blanket statements that are patently untrue.
Got Hubie Brown's moms on speed dial.
And as one of the final Stuckey supporters for PG around, I openly admitted my mistaken support in a fanpost
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
Look, it's time we FINALLY admitted something about Stuckey
He can’t play the 1 and Gordon is better at the 2. For the money he would cost, resigning him would be a massive mistake.
Why hasn’t anyone around here realized that before?
by Toledo Joe on Jun 24, 2011 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
Stuckey Trade
We should have taken the trade with R.Rondo and R.Allen for Tay, Rip, and Stuckey. Would have gotten money off the books. A decent defensive and passer and a shooter for a year or two. John Wall came out of Kentucky with a lot of upside, the same as Knight. He is quick and can get to the basket and also can make a big shot when needed. He will learn to pass the ball better with the right coach. Chauncy couldn’t pass until he came to the Pistons. Just hopefully we can get a decent big outta a deal for one of our overcrowed backcourt.
We still are going to need a season before we can make anything outta this anyway. Looks like we will have to wait until 2012-2013 season when the new CBA will be aproved.
Wasn’t that just a myth?
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by Biz Markie Moon on Jun 25, 2011 12:24 AM EDT up reply actions
They turned it down
It was broadcast on ESPN, that’s where i learned it. But it was not denied from this post on youtube.
you tube
its a clip from the draft on that day in ’09 so I can not say for sure if it was a rumor, but it was not denied or acknowledged from what I say. A lot of blogs about it, and that video from the draft broadcast.
There are a staggering number of trades we shouldn't have turned down
Which is why we need a new GM
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Rich Cho.
As soon as he was available, I posted this: http://www.detroitbadboys.com/2011/5/23/2186879/one-less-reason-to-keep-joe-dumars
Not many agreed with me, but after watching Charlotte’s draft, seems pretty obvious what should have happened.
I definitely wish Kevin Pritchard or Rich Cho were working for Detroit in some capacity
..and Paul Allen is a jerk
That goddamn Okra and beans got you Oprah in jeans. Seems to me a little lean cuisine, wouldn't hurt much- Agh don't touch! -Obie Trice
I feel like I’ve read just as many articles saying Charlotte’s draft sucked as saying it was good. This draft was crazy because everything was up in the air going in, and it seems like critics still can’t decide if it was good for the teams or not.
by garrettelliott on Jun 26, 2011 12:48 AM EDT up reply actions
I like Charlotte’s draft a lot more than others seem to. Biyombo is obviously an enormous question mark if you haven’t been sipping the Congolaid, so I understand the skepticism. But I also like their trade, where others don’t.
I liked their moves, too. I just think it’s interesting how divisive the draft was. Critics can’t seem to agree on anything, and it’s not like it’s close, either. Grades are all over the board, with some experts saying teams blew it while others say those same teams were brilliant. I hope there’s a season because I really want to see how these moves play out!
by garrettelliott on Jun 27, 2011 9:34 AM EDT up reply actions
He did well with G. oden jk but seriously
he has made some trades so has joe.sheeeddddd! I will give you joe has not drafted the best but… joe does not get high picks consistently most have been 20 or higher (not easy). joe gave us the best run our organization has ever seen from nothing but grant hill leaving us your saying you not going to give him 1 more shot to do it again with a real owner?
lets be honest the ownership issue killed any move we could make I mean look how long it took to sell the damn team. let him build a team for one more run then give a new GM a shot.
I was not pleased with the billups trade I understand the frustration on that one.
ALL we need is 2 LB and 1 damn good CB and I see playoffs in our future RG would be nice too. GOOOOOOOO LIONSSSSSS loyal till the day I die unlike most fake fans.
by DetroitLions 4 life on Jun 24, 2011 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions
no
need to explain.. they wont listen… if they dont win a championship every year joe d is a looser in their eyes.. and im not a lions fan but you guys have some talent scary talent..
I guess results are all that matter I would know I am a lions fan (rough)
Like i said let him build this thing one more time and if he fails fire him just give him a fair shot with a real owner.
yes bro the talent is looking good and we are building a true contender for the playoffs!
ALL we need is 2 LB and 1 damn good CB and I see playoffs in our future RG would be nice too. GOOOOOOOO LIONSSSSSS loyal till the day I die unlike most fake fans.
by DetroitLions 4 life on Jun 24, 2011 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Correct
Results are all that matter. Not “upside”, not good intentions, not long-smooth-strokability… Wins and losses.
We had a great point guard. We traded him for an awful combo guard so we could give an average combo guard the keys to the offense. Then we signed a below-average combo guard (who was, in fairness, average at the time) to all-star money. Then we signed our slightly above-average two guard to an insane extension, even though we already had two combo guards. Then we drafted more combo guards.
In the interim, we passed up drafting big men and rebounders.
So, you’d think with all these combo guards, we would have a pretty good offense, right? Nope. Detroit is one of the worst shooting teams in the league.
by Kevin Sawyer on Jun 24, 2011 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
all pretty much under karen davis
the oranization had no plan in place.
if there was another gm here i feel we would be in the same spot look at the other 26 or so teams only 4 are real contenders
ALL we need is 2 LB and 1 damn good CB and I see playoffs in our future RG would be nice too. GOOOOOOOO LIONSSSSSS loyal till the day I die unlike most fake fans.
by DetroitLions 4 life on Jun 24, 2011 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions
LOLWUT
None of those things Kevin just mentioned happened when Karen Davidson was the owner.
by Grant E. on Jun 24, 2011 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
Except for drafting Terrico White
But that’s hardly the crux of the problem.
by Kevin Sawyer on Jun 24, 2011 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions
lets take a look
the billups trade= try and be the smartest guy in the room Bill was alive agreed joe fd up
the below avg guard was avg 24 ppg at age 24 also the year before the big FA year (lebron bosh etc.) he was tryin to aquire talent before it was all gone (bill d was pretty much dieing at this point)
i agree the extensions to rip and tay bad calls but you know why he did it O IDK 6 straight easten confrence final and 2 finals apperances. (this does not happen every day ppl)
ALL we need is 2 LB and 1 damn good CB and I see playoffs in our future RG would be nice too. GOOOOOOOO LIONSSSSSS loyal till the day I die unlike most fake fans.
by DetroitLions 4 life on Jun 24, 2011 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions
exactly
i would have resigned them too. a young team with no leaders. who better then prove winners
I'm convinced your just DetroitLions 4 life's alias
You’re like his personal echo. Come to think of it this is like some insane sports version of Ender’s Game. Bravo.
by The truth Rodney White on Jun 24, 2011 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions
So then by that same logic, why trade Chauncey for a proven loser?
Or am I wasting my time here with this one?
Welcome... to the Wallace-hood
So you admit that Karen Davidson had nothing to do with those moves then, got it.
also:
i agree the extensions to rip and tay bad calls but you know why he did it O IDK 6 straight easten confrence final and 2 finals apperances.
You don’t pay for past performance, you spend based on future expectations. When you fuck that up, you get the 2010-11 Detroit Pistons.
Got Hubie Brown's moms on speed dial.
that isn't the problem
It’s not about past performance, or hating the players in general. There is no excuse for us to have this many players that play the positions they play, and paying as much as we’re paying for the production we’re getting. In a parallel universe, I don’t hate Rip, Tay, Stuckey, BG, CV, the Knight pick, or maybe even the Billups trade. But mash it all together as it played out, to put us where we are now, and I want to set something on fire.
by Greg_ on Jun 24, 2011 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
What Greg said
The Pistons have a lot of OK-decent-pretty good players. It’s just too many of them play the same position. And it’s not going to be easy to fix that problem, given the contracts some of the key ones have.
what big men
and rebounders.. please please tell me. ya and why cant they shoot because ben gordon and rip do NOT MAKE THEIR OWN SHOTS. if they had somebody feeding them the ball instead of driving the lane trying to get fouled im sure they would be alot better.. Look at Daye great when getting the ball off a pass. same thing with CV3.
what big men and rebounders.. please please tell me.
DeAndre Jordan
DeJuan Blair
Kenneth Faried
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Mike
your honestly saying you woulda picked any one of these 3 guys at the 8 spot.. really..
I can honestly say
That if Mike was the Pistons GM, he probably wouldn’t have drafted Jordan or Blair with the eighth pick last night.
by Grant E. on Jun 24, 2011 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
thank
you.. That dude was the best on the board.. and everybody knows it.. and they didnt have a big man nowhere on that board. that was worthy of a 8 pick
No need to thank me.
I was making fun of you.
by Grant E. on Jun 24, 2011 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions 8 recs
In order of preference, here’s what I would have done with our 8th pick:
1. Traded down for Kenneth Faried and an additional first or second round pick this year or next.
2. Traded the pick to Cleveland, straight up, for Ramon Sessions.
3. Traded the pick for a 2011 lottery-protected pick
4. Drafted Markieff Morris with the 8th pick.
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good one
i give you that.. i woulda did that too.. but Cleveland wasnt gonna take that deal.. and you know it.
Morris
Hell NO. he was not worthy of a 8 pick..
but Cleveland wasnt gonna take that deal.. and you know it.
no, I don’t know it.
Got Hubie Brown's moms on speed dial.
Seeing as how they'd just drafted a point guard
I feel like they probably would have done that deal.
yep
and they need wings badly now, and trading Sessions for number 8 would have netted them Kawhi Leonard, Klay Thompson or Alec Burks.
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I would have taken Faried or Markieff
Been sayin’ so for several days leading up to the draft. Their numbers were nice.
The only question would have been:
Were Faried’s numbers reliable given his school and conference? Or were Markieff’s slightly less impressive rebounding numbers more impressive based on his school and conference?
Don't altogether disagree
However, the great point guard that was traded had aprox one good season left in him. Stuckey and Billups had very similar seasons last season. Hamilton may have been an above average two guard, but that horse has long since left the barn (and the fact that Hamilton logged major empty minutes when the team was losing especially explains the poor offense). The point is the team was going to get old eventually. On the other hand, drafting for “character” rather than rebounding is very troubling. That is my biggest problem today.
Slow down there, chief
Stuckey and Billups had very similar seasons last season.
Billups posted a 62% TS, good for 153rd all time, and right on par with Kevin McHale and Reggie Miller in their prime. Stuckey’s 54% TS was a nice improvement (and one reason I wouldn’t mind re-signing him), Billups basically did the same thing as Stuckey, but with greater efficiency.
by Kevin Sawyer on Jun 25, 2011 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions
BOUT TIME
JOE D IS STILL IN OFFICE FOR A REASON,
im sure the negative post that all these so called fans give are only because they dont know real basketball. or how to manage things the right way.
they figure it looks good on paper. so run with it. Ben Gordon can score when he has a floor general. Knight showed he has potential to be one. kentucky got to the final four because of him and lost by one point. This kid has heart and is very humble. just what you need as pg. look at billups he was cool headed and kept the guys in line
When I am proven right...
You won’t be around anymore for me to say I told you so…
As such, let me say it now, so it rings in your ear when we are drafting #6 at this point next year.
I TOLD YOU SO.
by Kevin Sawyer on Jun 24, 2011 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions
umm what?
so if the pistons are in the lottery again next year it means it was a bad pick?
rebuilding usually takes longer than a year or two. gut the dead weight, rebuild for real this time and build around monroe/knight/jerebko.
p.s. why wouldn’t i be around? i’ve been reading this site for years, well before SBN came around
yea give it atleast 2-3 years lol
ALL we need is 2 LB and 1 damn good CB and I see playoffs in our future RG would be nice too. GOOOOOOOO LIONSSSSSS loyal till the day I die unlike most fake fans.
by DetroitLions 4 life on Jun 24, 2011 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions
So... Rebuilding a team
Should take six years?
by Kevin Sawyer on Jun 24, 2011 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Ok
you rebuild the team.. same situation that Joe D has.. Same everything.. put it together and let everybody else grade it.. same restrictions that the old owner put on him etc..
3 years went to karen d being dumb (lets be honest)
ALL we need is 2 LB and 1 damn good CB and I see playoffs in our future RG would be nice too. GOOOOOOOO LIONSSSSSS loyal till the day I die unlike most fake fans.
by DetroitLions 4 life on Jun 24, 2011 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions
look your a fool mr pat the pat
in person ill whoop ur ass in logic ill smash you and as we can see i win the common sense battle too.
this site is sad so damn negative when it does not have to be.
ALL we need is 2 LB and 1 damn good CB and I see playoffs in our future RG would be nice too. GOOOOOOOO LIONSSSSSS loyal till the day I die unlike most fake fans.
by DetroitLions 4 life on Jun 24, 2011 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions
and you fail at grammar.
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
lol
I think im gonna stick to POD and BYB from now on. They actually have level headed fans.
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by Latif Masud on Jun 24, 2011 4:50 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
sounds like an excellent idea.
Got Hubie Brown's moms on speed dial.
by Mike Payne on Jun 24, 2011 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
I get pretty stunned at how polar opposite
the vibes are. You’d think it’d be the other way around right!? haha
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We just drafted Jason Terry 2.0 and Mike Dunleavy’s shitty cousin who does meth bumps and sells vaccuum cleaners. You be happy about that.
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by Biz Markie Moon on Jun 24, 2011 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Hey, I haven't been on the Dumars wagon for some time now
and I’ve been screaming “BIGS” as much as anyone – I’m just commenting on how differently folks react DBB vs POD…
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Yeah, but the Lions are relevant all of a sudden. They’re the hot team in the NFL. The Detroit Pistons are in WAY worse shape.
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by Biz Markie Moon on Jun 24, 2011 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Still, I’d much rather be a Lions fan right now.
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by Biz Markie Moon on Jun 24, 2011 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions
true nuff
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Why choose?
Detroit. Red Wings, Pistons, Lions, Tigers.
Thick and Thin.
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by Skylar on Jun 25, 2011 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Ravaging otter tail feathers?
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
by The Boourns on Jun 24, 2011 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
exactly
I have a weird fetish, I know!
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don't we all Vin?
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
by The Boourns on Jun 25, 2011 12:31 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
see what happens
when you make a good point they call you names and its cool but call them a name back and you get a slap on the hand about ReSpeCT
this is what happens when you fuck a stranger in the ass lartho.
THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS.
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
lol its easier this way no attachments
ALL we need is 2 LB and 1 damn good CB and I see playoffs in our future RG would be nice too. GOOOOOOOO LIONSSSSSS loyal till the day I die unlike most fake fans.
by DetroitLions 4 life on Jun 24, 2011 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions
i knew you
WAS funny.. sticking up for you 2plus year roommate..
when you make a good point they call you names
patthepat is not a regular here nor does he speak for this community.
Got Hubie Brown's moms on speed dial.
"regular poster"
he lurks quite frequently.
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
You have not made a good point yet
You’re welcome to start any time.
by brgulker on Jun 25, 2011 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
if you are right i will come back with an apologies in fanpost hold it to me
ALL we need is 2 LB and 1 damn good CB and I see playoffs in our future RG would be nice too. GOOOOOOOO LIONSSSSSS loyal till the day I die unlike most fake fans.
by DetroitLions 4 life on Jun 24, 2011 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions
I can vouch for pat the pat, I lived with him for 2+ years in which we religiously watched every Pistons game of the season...
He also was a founder of Jason Maxiell Eats Babies, a short-lived Pistons blog via wordspot best known for a post I made substantiating starting Carlos Delfino over Maurice Evans.
That said, he’s a little more high on Knight than any of us are but he’s definitely been reading DBB since the back in black days.
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
Well, we did kinda' trade Maxiell for Jonas
as the object of our ironic affections…
by Kevin Sawyer on Jun 25, 2011 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm just saying
White background, white player. Coincidence? Impossible.
by Kevin Sawyer on Jun 25, 2011 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions
go figure
he has a comment but they cant live on their own.. gotta get somebody to hold their hand. so cute male roomates… i wonder who was the woman of the house
you musta
put it down cuz he came out of nowhere with that post… lol good job pathepat
are you actually making homosexual implications on here lartho?
Its disappointing that you lack the creativity to come up with something better, but given you’re short-sighted, infantile way of communicating, I’m not all that surprsied.
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
Oh, I see
They guys lived together, therefore they must be homosexuals. How bitingly clever.
by Grant E. on Jun 24, 2011 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions 9 recs
nope
but he sure stuck up for him like he was. let him fight his own battles
actually thats exactly what you were doing:
so cute male roomates… i wonder who was the woman of the house
you musta put it down cuz he came out of nowhere with that post
this is a community first and foremost. And as a part of that community, I’ll stick up for anyone that I have rapport with (you do know what rapport means right?). It just happens that in this case, that rapport was built over having been friends for 4 years in college, and 5+ years since.
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
you still on the
roommate tip.. get over it…. so you spooned him at night no big deal… you dont have to get all soft and teary eyed
Homosexuality jokes are the weakest, most ignorant manner of insults.
Got Hubie Brown's moms on speed dial.
by Mike Payne on Jun 24, 2011 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions 7 recs
unless they are about lebron and wade.
by dandresden on Jun 24, 2011 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
Gay thighs lived together
Because they are loosers.
by Kevin Sawyer on Jun 24, 2011 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions
you know
For a blog named after the bad boys, there is sure as hell a lot of hate for Dumars. Talk about posting something dumb. The pistons get a point guard (yes, that’s what he is) projected to go in the top five at the 8 spot, and that is considered an F. Its just silly and laughable. I usually expect much much better posting from SBN blogs but I guess DBB is the exception.
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by Latif Masud on Jun 24, 2011 4:48 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
we are just lucky with the pride
ALL we need is 2 LB and 1 damn good CB and I see playoffs in our future RG would be nice too. GOOOOOOOO LIONSSSSSS loyal till the day I die unlike most fake fans.
by DetroitLions 4 life on Jun 24, 2011 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions
there is another piston blog called www.need4sheed.com
but sheed doesn’t play anymore and has no affiliation with the Pistons. So why haven’t they changed their name?
And no, he is not a point guard, his pure point guard rating is a negative 1.4. Meaning he actually displays non-PG skills more often than he shows PG skills.
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
yes
And advanced statistics speak the truth and nothing but the truth. Ill believe he’s not a PG when has been given a shot in the NBA and proves he’s not a PG.
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by Latif Masud on Jun 24, 2011 4:52 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
brandon jennings posted PPR of -1.31 and then even worse -1.94 his two season in college. food for thought.
fair point.
Brandon Jennings also has a high fade though.
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
get a room you two!
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by Mike Payne on Jun 24, 2011 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
HAH THEY’RE GAYZ HAH
WORD PLAY
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by Biz Markie Moon on Jun 24, 2011 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions
are you trying to say
that brandon jennings is a good PG?
oh snap...
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
jennings is not a bad player
He is stuck on a bad team with no one else there to help him. He made the team better while he was on the floor. He can shoot the three, pass, and get to the basket and is a decent foul shooter. When your two guard is…carlos delfino or john salmons, your SF is a defensive player, PF is gooden or maggette (who also played SF), and a deffensive center in bogat. Not much you can do but try to score yourself. If Redd was healthy the team may have been better.
he can shoot the 3?
at a 32% clip. He can’t shoot period. He finishes at the rim about as good as Stuckey. He doesn’t get to the line. His assist rate is lower than Stuckey’s. I mean are we really complaining about Stuckey and then calling Jennings a good PG?
He had an insanely good first 20 games of his career
And has been mediocre since.
He made the team better while he was on the floor.
I suspected this wasn’t true, and did the research. His team was nominally worse on both ends of the court when he was on the floor, to the tune of a two point spread per 100 possessions.
by Kevin Sawyer on Jun 25, 2011 1:35 AM EDT up reply actions
He is stuck on a bad team with no one else there to help him.
When you pull the defense away from the other players and end up taking bad shots because no one else on your team can score, that makes you a bad player? Bogut had the games he had from rebounding off missed shots because his defender went to help out against a driving Jennings. Like I said, when Redd is healthy we can see what kind of player he really is.
Being outplayed by Earl Boykins
Makes you a bad player.
by Kevin Sawyer on Jun 25, 2011 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
He's what a 2nd year player who spent most of last season out with an injury?
Hardly old enough to conclude that he’s a bad player.
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
Pre-draft projections
Do not win championships. Just because a player is dropping in the draft doesn’t mean he’s good.
by Kevin Sawyer on Jun 24, 2011 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Pre draft projections are all you have to work up until the player actually plays.
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by Latif Masud on Jun 24, 2011 5:06 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
No
You also have stats. You don’t have to rely upon the perception of a players ability because you can see what he did when he actually played. For example, Brandon Knight missed a lot of shots and turned the ball over.
by Kevin Sawyer on Jun 24, 2011 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions
true
Im pretty sure you’ve watched way more of this guy than me but he looked like a top five talent to me and most draft gurus would agree too. I don’t have a issue with a combo guard if he is a good to great combo guard.
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by Latif Masud on Jun 24, 2011 5:27 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Most draft gurus are consensus-humping morons. Most combo guards are not effective unless they are superstars. Otherwise, true positionality is of greater value than versatility.
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by Mike Payne on Jun 24, 2011 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
missed big shots?
You must not watch college basketball, er at least kentucky. He made shots to win games. Yes, he turned the ball over, he was a freshman learning on the fly. I cannot stand calipari, but he makes good point guards that way ( he cheats and gets out before they come down on him). My point is look at the last two PGs he coached, DRose and JWall. They are both crap players too right? Let him prove he can lead or let him fail before you say he is going to. Rose and Wall got the same training and they are doing fine. Oh wait Rose was MVP this year.
He earned the MVP award
He was not, by any stretch, actually the most valuable player on the team.
Setting that aside, Rose and Wall both had much better assist and steal numbers than Knight. Given that both are highly predictive as to the quality of the NBA player (and that NCAA coach is not in any way predictive of same) I’m not optimistic that Knight is going to recreate their production.
Also, the jury is out on Wall. His shooting is pretty much terrible, though he is young and has time to learn the position.
by Kevin Sawyer on Jun 25, 2011 1:31 AM EDT up reply actions
Derrick Rose played under John Calipari. Brandon Knight played under John Calipari. Therefore, Derrick Rose = Brandon Knight.
I gotta tell you, that’s just some airtight, irrefutable logic right there, buddy.
Whoa, hang on a second.
Maybe we’re all overlooking something here. Maybe…
Brandon Knight=Rasheed : they are PF’s the same size,weight and wingspan (in college) both shoot 3s,both play on the wing on offense and in the low post on Defense,both have a great face-up game,have great foot work.will shoot a post-up fade away and are guys with a nasty side.
But in some peoples minds…with all those things in common ,you shouldn’t compare the two.
I would rather have Brandon than any player in the past 4-5 drafts,besides D.Rose or Blake Griffin
by Grant E. on Jun 25, 2011 1:37 AM EDT up reply actions 7 recs
you should read a little closer
I did not say he was DRose. You missed there -1. I did not say he was Jwall -2. Now, I said he learned under the same coach as the two. The same principal applies. Jwall did not shoot well, but did u even look at the numbers? 16.4 PPG and 8.3 APG. Rose lead the Bulls and carried them 27.1PPG and 7.7APG. If Knight is even close to either of those two, this is a win. That is the point, like I put in one of my other posts, let him prove he can play or let him fail first. The last point that puts these three in the same category and READ carefully. They can break down a defense and drive to the basket and can create. Calipari taught these guys the same thing, drive and create. Knight had to carry Kentucky more than the other two had to carry their teams respectively.
so i guess the Pistons don’t need someone that can get turnovers, pass the ball or score. I hope he can play like either of them, or close. Stuckey’s ave for the season 15.5 PPG 5.2 APG. Guess we don’t need better do we?
let’s pause at ‘can get turnovers’ with Knight’s 0.7 steals per game, and it has still yet to be determined whether he can pass the ball or score with efficiency, which is much different than scoring itself.
I am just trying to figure why everyone is hating on the guy. I am just pointing to the last two guys that are point guards that came out from under calipari that have success in this league. And if this guy can come close to those numbers its a WIN for the Pistons. He has always been a score first PG, even in highschool. But my point is that he can play, or coach cal wouldn’t have wasted his time on him. He helped his team to a game outta the final four. Scoring 30 points in the last two games, and lost the final one by a point.
He showed he can help to carry a team when its needed. That is something the Pistons do need. I am excited about him coming. I hope it livens up the Pistons and the Palace.
I am just trying to figure why everyone is hating on the guy.
Let me break it down in simple terms. So far, Brandon Knight has yet to demonstrate that he is capable of:
- shooting the ball well
- passing the ball well
- not turning the ball over a lot
- being a good defender (i.e., getting steals)
That doesn’t leave much about the game of basketball for a PG to actually do well.
HE GOT HELLA STEALS
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by Biz Markie Moon on Jun 25, 2011 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions
HE DIDNT CARE FOR PRACTICE
That goddamn Okra and beans got you Oprah in jeans. Seems to me a little lean cuisine, wouldn't hurt much- Agh don't touch! -Obie Trice
WHEN YOU GOT DAT TALENT, YOU DON’T NEED NO PRACTCE
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by Biz Markie Moon on Jun 25, 2011 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions
HE STILL BELIEVE HE CAN CONTRIBUTE TO A NBA TEAM IF JUST GIVEN A CHANCE MAN
That goddamn Okra and beans got you Oprah in jeans. Seems to me a little lean cuisine, wouldn't hurt much- Agh don't touch! -Obie Trice
Allen Iverson was a good player
MVP? Never, and his skill set didn’t age well, but he was a star at his peak.
by Kevin Sawyer on Jun 25, 2011 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m not against someone who plays at least good defense out there. Rose and Wall play terrible defense. Steals alone don’t equate good D. And, I’m done with Stuckey. And, I’m looking forward to seeing what Knight has to offer.
But if Ben Gordon puts in another order for a matching matador’s cape with Knight’s name embroidered, then that’s where I stop caring so much.
Good. Bad. I'm the guy with the gun.
i can't help
but go back to this article on draftexpress.
Knight didn’t attack the basket at a high rate, taking shots around the basket on just 20% of his halfcourt possessions, third lowest of the group.
Above you noted how Calipari guards drive to the basket and create. It doesn’t appear Knight is very adept at this. He did have the highest 3-point percentage of the 3 Calipari guards of note. And each one of them (Rose, Evans, and Wall) increased their assist rate their rookie season in the NBA from their freshmen season’s in college. So there is definitely hope for Knight in this regard. Looking at the 3 previous guards carefully that is what sticks out the most. Rose and Evans kept similar shooting percentages during their transition to the pros whereas Wall fell off in terms of scoring efficiency. If Knight follows a similar path to previous Calipari PG’s then he’ll likely keep a similar shooting efficiency but show off a higher assist rate in the pros. His steal rate is still worrisome as well, as it’s the lowest of the 4.
Good point with the steals. But if he does what you just said, its a win for the Pistons. That is my point. I am hoping that we get a coach that will teach him how to create off the drive. Our guys now just drive and try to shoot, not much passing out of the drive.
If I have to find something to give me hope it would be Knight’s 3—point shot and the fact that all Calipari guards have increased their assist rate in the pros as opposed to college. None of them were very good at limiting turnovers so his high turnover rate isn’t much of an issue with me.
What I’m concerned about is Knight’s 42% fg%, easily the lowest of Evans, Wall, and Rose their freshmen years, and the fact Knight has a long wingspan yet had by far the lowest steal rate of the above guards.
Really, though
the other Calipari guards were penetration, which is going to increase your FG% a fair amount compared to a guy who jacks up a lot of threes. If he shot in the high 40s as a primarily outside shooter, he’d be the second coming of Reggie Miller.
three point was 37.7% and overall was 42%.
As the season went on, he learned, lessened his TOs, and was able to help control the offense. In highschool he was a me-ball player, meaning he was the team. At Kentucky he learned how to play with a team. He would drive and dish, but coach cal teachs the extra pass weither it be one or two, so off that pass it would go to someone else. Rose had an APG of 4.7 only .5 above Knight’s. Just hopefully he shows better than Stuckey.
he was a me-ball player, meaning he was the team.
By necessity? Or because he was just a ball hog like he was in college?
Seems to me, he was a me-ball player at the draft too, when he was sulking about getting picked eighth overall.
He actually got worse as the season progressed
In the tournament, his A/TO ratio was 22/17. He shot 33% from the field and 32% on threes, which means he shot 33% on twos. Yuck.
by Kevin Sawyer on Jun 25, 2011 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions
Knight took over twice as many three’s as either Evans, Wall, and Rose and because of that his FG% is bad, but his True shooting percentage is in line with theirs:
True Shooting Pct
Knight 55.2
Rose 55.9
Evans 52.9
Wall 56.1
He wasn’t really a better shooter than these guys, he just shot more of them. Check out this sick full on comparison from statsheet.com which I just found and looks pretty cool.
I wonder about his explosiveness, and ability to get in the lane in the NBA. But hopefully Kander can work him in to shape in this regard.
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Here are the stats most likely to translate to the NBA for Knight, Knight’s on the bottom here, NCAA averages for Guards are on the top.
It’s not pretty.
I like that he could shoot the 3 in college, but three-point shooting doesn’t always translate, because the three-point line is longer (thank you, captain obvious).
There really is not a ray of sunlight here, is there
I read your other post, I downloaded his game log and took out his worst games to see if that made a difference.
We just blew a really huge opportunity, and we’re going to try to make up for it by feeding this guy the ball.
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huge opportunity is subjective
what’s better at this point – or I should say here are the options – to get an average player that’s going to win a few extra games, but not make us better enough to get off the mediocrity carousel were trying hop on, or to draft either a bust that prevents us from getting on, or an elite player that gets us off?
markieff, faried, leonard – any of those 3 would have been better, and helped, but none of them will be stars. we’re clearly playing for the 2012 lottery, possibly unbeknownst to dumars.
by mcflies on Jun 25, 2011 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
The Draft is huge opportunity to get deals done
NBA teams get stuff done around Draft time, around the start of free agency and around the trade deadline. This was an opportunity to get better and we approached like were on auto-pilot.
All these teams around us got stuff done, Pacers got someone to defend Rose, Bucks dumped both of their shitty contracts, the Cavaliers had the balls to go against Jay Bilas and get the pick they actually needed and not the consensus. We blew the opportunity to get stuff done.
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its hard to say
whether any opportunities existed once the draft fell as it did. once biyombo, valanciunas, kanter, and thompson were off the board it’s likely every deal we could have taken (houston, cleveland, utah) fell apart instantly. we got double screwed with the way it fell.
You either take what you want
Or you take what you can get
The board didn’t just “fall” that way. Other teams lower than us literally jumped around us and took the players they wanted. We sat by and waited to spin whatever we got stuck with.
If Rich Cho can get hired and in 2 weeks get the exact two players that Dumars wanted, while Dumars had a month under the new owner and couldn’t put anything together to get any of the players we wanted? ANY of them!
There are no longer any excuse for this shit. We are sitting still letting thing get done to us. We need to be active and taking the pieces we need .
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Take what i say for what it is
I’m looking at the numbers.
The numbers don’t get it right 100% of the time.
Maybe they’re wrong about Knight, and the eyball assessment is correct. I hope so.
Here are the stats most likely to translate to the NBA for Knight …
I’m curious if the study that found this correlation treats four-year college players the same as one-and-done teenagers. Saying someone will likely never improve over the baseline they posted in a few dozen games as a teenager seems funny to me.
The thing is
if Knight had been on the level of Wall or Rose, he would have gone #1 overall, and we wouldn’t even be having this conversation. At the 8 spot, you’re not going to get a perfect player. You’re going to get one with some blemishes. Some players can overcome those blemishes, others can’t. I like the upside of a guy who can only barely smoke cigarettes, though. A young guy like Knight can still learn and grow a lot. Hell, he could pull an Amir and grow another two inches. He’s got room to grow both physically and basketball-ly (or whatever.)
He was projected in some drafts in the top 5, but thats neither here nor there.
Well known as a very intelligent player and person both on and off the court, Knight’s basketball IQ improved visibly from game to game and week to week, culminating in his very impressive SEC and NCAA Tournament performances in March.
From DraftExpress.com http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Brandon-Knight-5140/#ixzz1QGbevlYh
http://www.draftexpress.com
heres the deal have faith and trust the new ownership they have a plan.
why bitch enjoy the ride the last one was a hell of one.
ALL we need is 2 LB and 1 damn good CB and I see playoffs in our future RG would be nice too. GOOOOOOOO LIONSSSSSS loyal till the day I die unlike most fake fans.
by DetroitLions 4 life on Jun 24, 2011 4:49 PM EDT reply actions
You're talking as if we're getting off a jalopy and into a ferrari
when in fact we’re just getting into another jalopy.
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
no franchise gets off a jalopy and into a ferrari
Its more like we went from a jalopy to a focus. Let’s hope by the end of the offseason, dumars can trade in the focus for a 300.
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by Latif Masud on Jun 24, 2011 4:54 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
agreed on the initial car comparison
however, its more like a toyota that has a tendency to inexplicably speed up and crash into a tree due to a gas pedal malfunction. My odds are on us hitting the tree before we can trade in the focus.
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
I'd like to know
What people were expecting from such a weak draft class. Miracles? Sure things? IT was tough to make a draft board past #4. I just don’t understand what people were looking for when we drafted Knight. “Oh, we’ve got ANOTHER ‘combo guard’? I quit!” Give me a freakin’ break.
Now, we can move onto free agency and trades, not to mention signing a new head coach. This is a process that takes time.
by The Sledge on Jun 24, 2011 4:53 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
a process that has already taken 2 years of time.
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
whew
Try being a Lions fan…
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by Latif Masud on Jun 24, 2011 4:57 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I was a Lions fan before I was a Pistons fan
I happen to follow both teams quite closely (although I’ve never gotten into posting on PoD even though I’m a member).
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
I am a Lions fan
I do not want the Pistons to be the Detroit Lions of basketball.
by Kevin Sawyer on Jun 24, 2011 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions
they can never be the lions
But they are stuck in a place worse than the lions: limbo. They don’t suck terribly but their not good enough to make the playoffs.
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by Latif Masud on Jun 24, 2011 5:05 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
fuck if I know
but these is the Leons.
That goddamn Okra and beans got you Oprah in jeans. Seems to me a little lean cuisine, wouldn't hurt much- Agh don't touch! -Obie Trice
by Skylar on Jun 25, 2011 3:29 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
man look at you.. all discoverin Florida and shit.
That goddamn Okra and beans got you Oprah in jeans. Seems to me a little lean cuisine, wouldn't hurt much- Agh don't touch! -Obie Trice
they wanted
a big man and they had 3 that was in the top 10 of the draft.. told you these guys are all slow and ride the special bus to work
Okay so now you've implied homosexuality in a negative light and on top of that have used implications of mental incapacity in a negative light
how many other groups of people are you going to insult before you get banned?
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
Nope. I ride my dinosaur.
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by Biz Markie Moon on Jun 24, 2011 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions
damn
i impilied one of you must have been the female because you sticking by your “roommate” and now you getting all defensive.. as if it was true..
I'm actually not defending anything but the rights and respect of 2 groups of people that you've implied as being lesser people simply because of who they are
If you can’t comprehend that, then you’re more of a fool than I thought.
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
The five worst picks of the 2011 NBA Draft:
Lartho6
Roco
JaySoul
Latif
Detroit Lions 4 Life
Got Hubie Brown's moms on speed dial.
by Mike Payne on Jun 24, 2011 5:06 PM EDT reply actions 8 recs
thanks
I didn’t expect any better from you.
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by Latif Masud on Jun 24, 2011 5:07 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
I would trade you for cash considerations if I could
Got Hubie Brown's moms on speed dial.
by Mike Payne on Jun 24, 2011 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
yeah
At least I’m worth something then. I would just waive your ass…
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by Latif Masud on Jun 24, 2011 5:11 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
LOL
come on money mike.. who else can bring it from 6 comments to 106 in less then 45 minutes.. we are your starting 5…
if there was a league
where the games were scored based on the volume and potency of objectively ignorant, mildly offensive and grammatically broken comments— you would be the captain of that starting five.
Got Hubie Brown's moms on speed dial.
by Mike Payne on Jun 24, 2011 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Ah, the Joe Dumars approach to posting!
Go trick for D’Antoni baby. Poppa needs some dinner.
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by Biz Markie Moon on Jun 24, 2011 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Now, how long is going to take for him to say EW GAYZ ARE TEH GAZY
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by Biz Markie Moon on Jun 24, 2011 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions
notice
who is the floor general and who the big men are.. and i want a damn extension 5 yrs.. 88 mil
I’m not sold on Brandon Knight but wow you definitely need a new career. About 1/3 of these grades you’ve given are questionable and don’t make much sense. Brandon Knight is not going to come in and be a huge impact player right away but they need a pass first point guard and he can easily develop and become a well rounded PG.
If they need a pass-first PG
Knight is not the guy. Which of the grades don’t make sense and why?
by Kevin Sawyer on Jun 24, 2011 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions
What Calipari PG has ever been a pass-first PG?
Go look at the college stats of Derrick Rose, Tyreke Evans (though he’s a headcase that I hate including in this group), and John Wall. Not much better PG numbers offensively than Knight.
What the hell does Calipari have to do with anything?
This is such an amazing logic fail, I’m not sure where to begin.
umm seriously?
It’s the system he played in at college. Calipari asks his point guards to be scorers first, facilitators second. That doesn’t mean they can’t become efficient PGs in the NBA. Derrick Rose averaged half an assist more per game at college than Knight did. John Wall averaged 2 more, but he played with 3 lottery picks, one of whom was the best big man in college. Rose and Knight didn’t have that luxury. If you don’t think college stats are skewed by the coaching system and the supporting cast, then I question your judgement. Stats are all you seem to be going by anyway, so I also doubt you’ve ever really watched him play.
I really hate banning people ...
… but some of you are coming very close. (And in fact, someone already crossed the line — enjoy your timeout, lartho6, and think about what you’ve done!)
If you disagree with someone’s opinion, state your points in a civil manner. If you insist on being rude, at least be funny.
And above all, use basic grammar — we’re not a bunch of fifth-graders texting on cell phones.
by Matt Watson on Jun 24, 2011 5:36 PM EDT reply actions 8 recs
My dick - been there, done that
your dick – sits there, with dunce cap
That goddamn Okra and beans got you Oprah in jeans. Seems to me a little lean cuisine, wouldn't hurt much- Agh don't touch! -Obie Trice
by Skylar on Jun 25, 2011 1:17 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Lets be honest matt this is your site how is giving the pistions a F not some 5th grade bs
give your site some creditability with a honest assumption of the draft. I am not saying give the team an A but no way was this draft an F
my grammar was off my fault I was at work, making an argument while working not easy.
ALL we need is 2 LB and 1 damn good CB and I see playoffs in our future RG would be nice too. GOOOOOOOO LIONSSSSSS loyal till the day I die unlike most fake fans.
by DetroitLions 4 life on Jun 24, 2011 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions
This was Kevin's honest assessment of Detroit's picks yesterday.
He is basing that grade on empirical evidence. You have commented fourteen times on this thread and have offered nothing but easily-refuted statements backed by no statistical evidence and disparaging remarks about other commenters here, one of the authors of this site and the site itself. You’ve done all of this while displaying a tenuous grasp of the English language. Oh, but you were at work. At the Federal Building, I presume?
Kevin has supported his opinions several times already on the thread. If you don’t agree with him, that’s fine. You are allowed to argue your position. However, until you are able to do that with reasonable, objective analysis, your posts will not be met with respect here.
by Grant E. on Jun 24, 2011 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
The punctuation in your first sentence goes after the parenthetical.
Also, I would argue the em dash is a lazy way to splice thoughts together.
Carry on.
Agreed on the dash
I oppose generic punctuation.
by Kevin Sawyer on Jun 25, 2011 1:26 AM EDT up reply actions
apparently madvillian here
is kind of a neat signer, shown trouble with the script digits – double dipped, bubble lipped, subtle lisp midget – borderline schizo, sort of fine tits though…
Got Hubie Brown's moms on speed dial.
by Mike Payne on Jun 25, 2011 1:27 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Oh my, I’m gonna get fangirlish.
Does Madlib prefer boxers or briefs, MF Doom?
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by Biz Markie Moon on Jun 25, 2011 2:15 AM EDT up reply actions
5th graders on cell phones.
That’s what you get for destroying DBB’s soul in the SBNation fire.
Good. Bad. I'm the guy with the gun.
by sauce1977 on Jun 25, 2011 2:30 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
ahm
SBNation IS built on Wordpress…they’ve just spent a lot more money to enable a lot of other things…
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by Latif Masud on Jun 25, 2011 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions
ahem
SBNation IS NOT built on wordpress. It runs a custom-made system based on the Scoop CMS which powered the first SBNation blog Athletics Nation as well as its political sister, DailyKos.
Got Hubie Brown's moms on speed dial.
hmm
Could’ve fooled me…
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by Latif Masud on Jun 25, 2011 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions
Some people are easier to fool than others. They’re called fools.
by -PS- on Jun 25, 2011 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
You don’t have to start anywhere. SBNation … shitslame. And DBB died, there’s only SBNation’s happy slappy little Detroit/Michigan team subdomains, opened up and mass-produced for the 5th graders one and all. And this god awful layout. And counters to infinity.
Good. Bad. I'm the guy with the gun.
I was in high school 824 years ago.
Good. Bad. I'm the guy with the gun.
by sauce1977 on Jun 25, 2011 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
And DBB died, there’s only SBNation’s happy slappy little Detroit/Michigan team subdomains, opened up and mass-produced for the 5th graders one and all.
Look at your URL bar — what subdomain do you see? There isn’t one. Nothing is “mass produced” at DBB — DBB is the hard-work of myself, Packey, MFMP and Kevin. We have 100 percent complete editorial control over every aspect of the site.
The only thing that changed (aside from superficial things like switching from white on black to the current format) is improved commenting and the ability for readers to contribute FanShots/Posts. You’re like a hipster who stops liking a band as soon as they’re played on the radio. Everything is the same, including your need to feel like you can only enjoy underground shit.
by Matt Watson on Jun 26, 2011 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
yeah, seriously
That goddamn Okra and beans got you Oprah in jeans. Seems to me a little lean cuisine, wouldn't hurt much- Agh don't touch! -Obie Trice
so some people like knight, some people dont
ok got it.
so basically now the boards here will be full of trolling kentucky fans?
dem dere detroit pistons sure got them lots of shooters and homosexshuls on the message boreds
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by Biz Markie Moon on Jun 24, 2011 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions
i think he was just upset about not getting invited to the DBB all male gang bang/Recreational Vehicle show. i cant blame him for that, i had a great time!
I still have The Boourn’s leotard. And I need to head to Canada to get my ninja-star dildo from garretelliot.
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by Biz Markie Moon on Jun 24, 2011 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions
that ain't poutine danny boy.
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
by The Boourns on Jun 24, 2011 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
so YOU'RE the one who stole that...
If I had a nickel for every time you smacked my ass that weekend, I swear! I’d be rich.
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
I was more about getting dat supple Larth06 ass. He was there, but he didn’t want to wear the fez, but I made him, so he’s all flustered about that.
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by Biz Markie Moon on Jun 24, 2011 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Utah appears to be stocking big guys
i’ve haven’t checked to see if the number work out, but how about this trade?
Pistons get:
Al Jefferson
Jazz get:
Richard Hamilton
Ben Gordon
Charlie V
Jason Maxiell
Terrico White
and if necessary, we could sign and trade Tayshaun and throw in a couple of vintage Bad Boy/Hammer Time t-shirts
the salaries won't work
unfortunately.
I’d enjoy dumping all of our bad contracts just for one fat contract.
by mgoblue4ever on Jun 24, 2011 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions
sounds ideal
But unless the jazz have also been stocking up on fairy godmothers there’s no way this would happen
I used to love this site.
It’s been going downhill as long as the Pistons have.
A far cry from the glory days with the black background and the random poetry contests.
by Rotten Atom on Jun 24, 2011 8:12 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
This site is as good as it's ever been.
Hell, it’s a lot more entertaining than the Pistons themselves.
Terrence J. is feeling a bit fishy...
by Trout Jefferson on Jun 24, 2011 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I would say the environment here is a lot better
Especially friendlier, it wasn’t called Detroit Bad Boys for nothing.
But I did prefer the black background, it just give the site a badass feel
Without a doubt, squats are a cure for everything.
by bearded thundar on Jun 24, 2011 9:15 PM EDT up reply actions
the site is the same as ever IMO
i started commenting right when we signed CV and BG but lurked for maybe 2 yrs before. other than no Boney, and very little Sauce 1977 and Scientfic its pretty much the same as ever.
I disagree
The arguments here are more civil. Back then you would be absolutely ripped apart at times, here unless if you’re a complete dick, people might red panda the shit out of you, but very few personal attacks
Without a doubt, squats are a cure for everything.
by bearded thundar on Jun 24, 2011 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions
i suppose thats true, i remember you took much heat back in the day
but you turned out to be a great piece of the community here.
but you turned out to be a great piece of the community here.
agreed. Ali/BT took heat but the man is a part of this core.
Got Hubie Brown's moms on speed dial.
and can tell you how to strengthen your core.
by dandresden on Jun 24, 2011 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
yeah, but more importantly squats make you grow balls
Without a doubt, squats are a cure for everything.
by bearded thundar on Jun 25, 2011 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions
I was there from the beginning
and the SB Nation system >>>>>> original wordpress DBB.
Got Hubie Brown's moms on speed dial.
If you're using the last 3 days to judge DBB
Then I feel sorry for you. This thread is mostly fending off trolls.
An F is a bit harsh dont you think?
Most of the good bigs were already gone by the time you drafted.
Knight will be a fine NBA pg, nothing special, but not awful either. He will probably be a better PG than Stucky anyway.
And WHAT is up with the Sessions love here? The dude is absolute garbage!! He could be the worst defender in the entire league.
he could be, but I'm pretty sure that Al Jefferson holds that honor.
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
god that's painful to watch
was it intentional that all the highlights are CV being a cuddly panda in the paint? or were all of atlanta’s points just scored on him?
It was a soliloquy of 4th quarter collapse
He put the team on his back and said “We are going to collapse this quarter, Dammit, even if it means I have do all the fail!” Zaza pachulia takes him to rack during that sequence as well, but he’s not watching. Check out the commentary in the game thread.
The season was 5 games in and we already knew how it was going to end up.
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Every advanced metric you can name
Hates his game. But it’s not just the Knight pick. It’s the whole draft. 80% of the teams that drafted tonight got something of value. We were in the unfortunate 20%, and we had a lottery pick, as well as the 33. If you are going to flunk 10% of the teams in a draft, we are easily in that 10%.
by Kevin Sawyer on Jun 24, 2011 11:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Everybody acts like Faried was some bust ass mark from Hoo-hah Pennsylvania. That dude was a beast in college. I’d absolutely have drafted him right there.
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by Biz Markie Moon on Jun 24, 2011 11:56 PM EDT up reply actions
This isn’t about potential at this point. Joe D’s track record at this point doesn’t make me trust his potential. I don’t care how much Faried improves, he gave us BLOCKS and DUNKS and POST SCORING and he could give us some OKAY DEFENSE.
There’s no way I support Joe Dumars anymore. I actively want him fired. If I was a crazy Mark Cuban style billionaire, I’d have probably done it last night and then hired Kevin Pritchard. Or brgulker.
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by Biz Markie Moon on Jun 25, 2011 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Wasn't it Faried who said he wanted to play like Ben Wallace?
He wants to be an immovable defensive force with the athletic ability to clean up all the missed shots offensivley. I don’t give a damn about whether he’s projected as a later pick. Dumars should have drafted this fucker and gone on later to say, “see, I knew what the fuck I was doing by drafting a useful player that fit my teams needs at the 8 spot instead of passing on him because other idiots thought he should be drafted later.” Later on when the Pistons didn’t have a draft pick, because we only had the 8, which gave us the ability to get anyone from Knight on down, but we chose Knight and said fuck everybody else, we don’t need them.
Damn we better be making some serious trades with our guards.
To experience the consequences of my own choices. This is why I live
New guy here
Lurker for a bout 3+ years if it matters…
Quick shout-out that the site’s great, not sure why it took so long for me to sign up, but all the flames I felt a need to give my 2 cents haha.
The pick of Knight is bad and any common person could tell you as much simply because of how backed up our combo-guard – I mean, point guard and shooting guard spots are. Is he a “value pick” at 8? Possibly, but when he plays a position thats so overly bloated on our team, and the fact that he hasn’t show a whole lot to prove that he could be the one sacred cow to keep out of the guard carousel, it helps justify the grade. Throw in the fact Singler isn’t the true big we needed via the draft, and the ine we did get is 24, moving towards 25 before the next season (and bound to be older pending a lockout), and nothing adds up.
Also, side note – I could’ve cried when I heard Stern call Bismack Biyomobo’s name for Charlotte. The interview with him was hell to watch.
I'm not too worried about the logjam atm
Now that Rip only has 2 years on his contract trading him to Chicago becomes fairly feasable, or at the very least with a new owner we can trade him for a second round pick to a team with a trade exception by sending them a boat load of cash.
I’m more concerned about Knight’s inefficient production. He may have put up similar assist/game numbers to Irving, but Kyrie was out of his mind efficient. I still vividly remember the tourney game where he had just shy of 30 points off 15 shots. The guy flat out can ball and will likely be contending for the next 10-15 years because his game relies so little on athleticism.
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by bearded thundar on Jun 24, 2011 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions
just think how easy it will be to trade Ben Gordon in 2 years guys!
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you sir
deserve to be breast fed by Peter Griffin for your blasphemy
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by bearded thundar on Jun 24, 2011 9:39 PM EDT up reply actions
so can someone point me to any info that says Knight is a pure point
Draftexpress seems to think he is a combo, pretty much every knock on him is related to his playmaking, passing and court vision. i’d love to believe he is a pure point and that Calipari forced him into a scoring role but im not seeing that. any links that show otherwise?
I'll try to dig up a few tomorrow
But I think that John Wall is a good example of how Calipari’s system impacts assist numbers. The guy had solid passing numbers in college purely because he had an amazing team in college, I thought he had a very Stuckey type game. I noted the guy would be a horribly inefficient pro and he shot somewhere around 40% from the field last year. However the guy was actually a really damn good passer as a pro, much better than I could have ever predicted. Tyreke Evans also has pretty solid assist numbers, but he was projected as a Wade type SG from the start anyways.
I’ll look at some of his film to try to get a read on his playing style. From what i’ve seen so far, I wouldn’t be surprised if he averaged 8 assists per game like Rose in a few years. I doubt he’ll ever be a 10+ guy like Wall, but I want to do some research before I can definitively give you an answer.
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by bearded thundar on Jun 24, 2011 9:23 PM EDT up reply actions
why thank you sir :)
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by bearded thundar on Jun 24, 2011 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions
also a beast in the sack...if I had a nickel for every time he squatted that night, I'd be rich!
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by The Boourns on Jun 24, 2011 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
lol....
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by The Boourns on Jun 24, 2011 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Or it could be that calipari simply recruits a certain type of guard
And the most talented of those recruits have the capacity to develop passing skills in the NBA.
In other words, the system might have nothing at all to do with it. It’s going to be tough to prove anything about the system.
by brgulker on Jun 25, 2011 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Indeed. Calipari is known as a recruiter, not a systemic innovator..
by -PS- on Jun 25, 2011 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Thank you.
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by Biz Markie Moon on Jun 25, 2011 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions
wut.
Monta actually was really solid last year, seems like someone smacked the black hole out of him. I still prefer Curry, but really? That’s the best GS can do?
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by bearded thundar on Jun 24, 2011 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions
i guess, just a rumor at this point, a nameless whisper, i dont think its going to happen
but still kinda crazy.
hell if that's the case
Let’s offer BG and Stuckey/Daye. Worst come worst we could easily trade him to another team, he’s got a very marketable name for a franchise in financial distress
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by bearded thundar on Jun 24, 2011 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions
sadly
i would rather roll with Ellis than Bg or Stuckey. same kind of shitty player but Ellis can at least get to the hoop and convert.
Knight and Ellis would be an intruiging combo
Very similar to what GS has now actually, though Curry is probably a slightly better shooter
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by bearded thundar on Jun 24, 2011 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Ellis plays solid D and he'd be useful in the lineup
And I don’t think Knight is starting next year no matter what happens, IMO
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why not?
He needs to learn how to run an offense, we need to tank another year and Stuckey is just better at the 2 (I don’t know why, but he seems to be a much better passer as well). I say throw him into the fire
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by bearded thundar on Jun 25, 2011 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions
this whole draft was a f
after missing out on blocks and dunks im not upset about the knight pick at number 8. hopefully the kid works out.
I think the grade is higher than F, but I don't like the picks.
I choose to see this draft as part of a hopeful beginning to some trades and movement by JoD. I have my hopes up and I know they will be crushed, but I can’t stop believing something good may come.
I'm off to point the pink pistol at the porcelain firing range.
I like the Knight pick...
I can’t see a F being the grade for this draft. A top 5 pick fell to us at #8 Joe D would of been booed out of Detroit if he passed on Knight. Some have mentioned that he could of traded out but really on a team lacking talent and playmakers it would of been suicide. The point of the draft is to better your team and Detroit did do that.
Singler and Mackins are decent picks. I don’t know how many SF’s we need but we got another in Singler who had a very good college career at Duke. I think that Tay and Rip are done in Detroit so hopefully a big can come from it. I think that Monroe and Knight will be a very good combo for years to come, will Knight be the true PG Detroit needs idk but he will be a playmaker.
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This is some faulty logic. Everybody else will likely red panda you, but I’ll say, for the last time, why we had way and AWAY the worst draft.
A top 5 pick fell to us at #8 Joe D would of been booed out of Detroit if he passed on Knight.
Really? I can’t believe this to be that true. Let’s face it: most people don’t really follow the NBA obsessively. Most people are going to hear a guy’s name they recognize getting drafted and go, “Cool.” So, the reaction neither hurts nor helps us. On one hand, Knight’s a recognizable name. On the other hand, he’s not what this team needs. People hear he’s a point guard, and say, “Ah, we need one of those.” At the same time, unless Joe Dumars straight up drafted Dikembe Mutombo’s toe nails, people wouldn’t boo him out of the room.
I’d also like to know why all the other GMs who passed on Knight when they didn’t pick him didn’t get ran out of their city.
The point of the draft is to better your team and Detroit did do that.
How so? We drafted an overrated college small forward from a school that is known for producing some huge busts. Mackins averaged 5 rebounds a game. As a 6’9 guy, you should not average as many rebounds as a small forward unless you are one. And finally, we drafted a combo guard who can’t shoot. We possibly will run, at some point next year, Knight/Gordon//Rip/Daye/Monroe. Or Bynum/Knight/Stuckey/Villaneuva/Monroe. Where’s the offense? But more importantly, String, where the fuck is defense.
The other two teams that herp derped this draft according to Captain Sawyer are the Clippers and the Wizards. Trey Thompkins may not be an insanely stupid choice, and I’m not overly familiar with Singleton, but I’ll focus on the Wizards. As dumb of a choice as Vesely was, this is a team that starts Mo Evans’s old ass at the 3 spot. They needed an upgrade on the wing, and they at least reached for something. Dumars is doing the exact same thing that’s got us into the quagmire we are now, and that’s ignoring defense and paint play to try to get a perimeter based star, which has YET TO HAPPEN.
I don’t know how many SF’s we need but we got another in Singler who had a very good college career at Duke
First off, we need 3 3’s all together. I would be fine if we had picked Singler at the Mackins spot. But instead, Keith Benson and Jeremy Tyler are still on the board. Herpin and derpin. Just because Singler did good at Duke doesn’t mean success will translate to the next level There’s a whole line of argument with drafting Duke guys. Second, what does Singler do? He’s a glue guy on a team that smells like Elmer’s.
And Mackins averaged five fucking rebounds as a center. That shit is inexcusable.
I think that Tay and Rip are done in Detroit so hopefully a big can come from it.
They might be done but they’re still here. Tay I’ll give you. But Rip still has a terrible contract. I know no team that would want him as is.
In conclusion, this is why I believed us to have, way and away, the worst draft possible in a crappy draft anyway.
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by Biz Markie Moon on Jun 24, 2011 11:51 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
No Biyombo. No Dice.
Once Bismack was off the board, any pick was going to be a disappointment.
You can fault Dumars for not trying to trade down, but going with the best player available (and one who was projected much higher) often isn’t such a bad move.
I don’t hate the pick and now that it’s a day later, I’m a bit intrigued by his potential.
I’m not saying he’s going to have to live up to high standards, but he better turn out to be the best f*cking player ever.
All I’m sayin’.
by TDP on Jun 24, 2011 11:45 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
I WOULD HAVE TO STRONGLY DISAGREE WITH THIS GUY ON WHAT HE SAYS ABOUT THE PISTONS PICKS
THE PISTONS FINALLY GOT PLAYERS THAT ARE SUPERSTARS
SINGLER MAY BE A LITTLE OLDER THAT WE NEEDED BUT WE NEEDED HIM IF WE ARE WILLING TO GET RID OF PRINCE……WE NEED A LEADER IN SINGLER AND KNIGHT
THIS DRAFT CAN BE ONE OF THE BEST DRAFTS THE PISTONS EVER HAD
THIS GUY IS WRONG ON WHAT HE HAS GRADED THEM……..WHO ELSE WERE WE GOING TO GET INSTEAD OF MACKLIN……REALLY NOONE OUT THAT IS NOT THAT BAD…WELL NOTHING WAS INTRUIGING
BOTH KNIGHT AND SINGLER WILL BE STARTERS AND WILL HELP THE PISTONS CAUSE ITS TIME FOR A CHANGE AND THESE GUYS WILL DO THAT JOB
IF WE DIDNT DRAFT SINGLER I WAS HOPING TO GET JEREMY TYLER WHO IS A BIG CENTER BUT WE GOT A GOOD PLAYER THAT WAS NOT EXPECTED TO BE THERE
IM HAPPY WITH THE PICKS WE DRAFTED BUT EVERY OTHER SITE SAYS WE GOT AT LEAST A (B-) SO DONT KNOW WHAT THIS GUY IS THINKING
**BUT I LIKE THE 12 AND 13 PICKS OF THE MORRIS TWINS……THE FUNNY THING IS THAT THEY ARE 7 MINUTES APART BUT WERE ALSO DRAFTED 7 MINUTES APART
by Jon Cooke on Jun 24, 2011 11:58 PM EDT reply actions 4 recs
EARTH HAS 4 DAYS IN 24 HOURS CANT SLEEP CLOWN WILL EAT ME ALL THAT GLITTERS IS NOT GOLD WE AWAIT SILENT TRISTEROS EMPIRE I CANT LET YOU DO THAT DAVE BEEP BEEP BOOP BOOP CTHULU R;LYEH WGAH’NAGL FTHAGN"
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by Biz Markie Moon on Jun 25, 2011 12:05 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
HAND DOWN MAN DOWN BIZ MARKIE MOON! HAND DOWN MAN DOWN.
Oh and on a side note, the only positive out of all this is that since we didn’t draft Bismack, you don’t have to change your name.
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by The Boourns on Jun 25, 2011 12:35 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I’d have been cool with a name change to welcome our dunks and blocks overlord.
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by Biz Markie Moon on Jun 25, 2011 12:38 AM EDT up reply actions
yeah... :-(
hoping for a silver lining :-(
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by The Boourns on Jun 25, 2011 12:39 AM EDT up reply actions
Or, I could be Biz Markie Mooninite.
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by Biz Markie Moon on Jun 25, 2011 12:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Or you could be Biz Markie Billy Witch Doctor
ARISE CHICKEN! ARISE!
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YOU SAID FUNNY THING
JON COKE, REPEAT AFTER ME:
I AM
SOFA KING
WE TODD ED
Good. Bad. I'm the guy with the gun.
YES!
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YOU'RE HURTING MY EARS JON COKE, PLEASE, SOMEBODY THINK OF THE CHILDREN.
Got Hubie Brown's moms on speed dial.
I REALLY WANT TO MAKE A FRED W. CAPEL JOKE, BUT I FEEL BAD ABOUT THE DISASTER IN MISSOURI.
by -PS- on Jun 25, 2011 1:01 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I DON’T KNOW WHAT THIS GUY IS THINKING EITHER
OH MY GOD MY MONITOR IS RINGING
Good. Bad. I'm the guy with the gun.
ANSWER IT ALREADY!
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Sonovabitch, where's Packey when you need him?
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by Grant E. on Jun 25, 2011 1:48 AM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
WITH GORDON BEING RUMORED TO BE TRADED
WITH HAMILTON BEING RUMORED TO BE TRADED
WITH PRINCE NOT SUPPOSIVELY NOT COMING BACK
WITH MCGRADY NOT COMING BACK WHICH I WISH HE WOULD
WITH THESE IN MIND THEN THE PICKS WE GOT WERE FINE AND ABSOLUTLY PERFECT FOR THE PISTONS
ummm
my eyes hurt…from that…please to not hit repeat. haha
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CRAWLING IN MY SKIN
THESE WOUNDS WILL NOT HEAL
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by Biz Markie Moon on Jun 25, 2011 12:06 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
ROOMERS EVERYWHERE!
IF PRINCE IS NOT SUPPOSIVELY NOT COMING BACK THEN THAT MEANS HE IS NOT NOT STAYING!!!! PRINCE IS HERE TO STAY!
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by The Boourns on Jun 25, 2011 12:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Here's what I don't do before I post anything here
Ask myself, what do sportswriters think? I promise you that.
This isn’t fantasy basketball. Joe Dumars isn’t some fan who won a contest and, therefore, the right to draft for the Detroit Pistons. He is the General Manager, and has the responsibility to investigate draft possibilities before he drafts a player.
Brandon Knight was an inefficient combo guard. That is a fact. That’s not my opinion. He did not do well that which portends to NBA success at the Point Guard position.
The fact that some sportswriters projected he would go earlier has no impact on his value, unless JoeD is savvy enough to use this fact to ramp up his trade value. If he does so, brilliant. If not, my grade stands.
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to indicate in advance; to foreshadow or presage, as an omen does: The street incident may portend a general uprising.
Just making sure everyone’s on the same page.
Fine...
His NCAA performance portends an Earl Watson-like career.
by Kevin Sawyer on Jun 25, 2011 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions
FWIW
Ngombo was actually ineligible, which escaped the scrutiny of the TP Wolves, the NBA, and international groups, as well as countless scouting agencies.
B-grade, Derrick Williams is cool, but he’s not a B all by himself.
Good. Bad. I'm the guy with the gun.
If he’s ineligible, the only way they can get him is if Minnesota signs him as a free agent?
But why would you want the wrong Ngombo from Qatar? Or better phrased, why would the recipient want the wrong guy?
Good. Bad. I'm the guy with the gun.
yeah, wonder if this will end up scuttling the deal. that would suck for blazers fans. imagine getting rip out of here and then the deal gets denied on some sort of technicality.
Talk was that Ben Gordon’s the guy going, from whatever article I just saw in passing on google news.
Good. Bad. I'm the guy with the gun.
don’t believe anything until it happens. Rip might be easier to trade, but BG may be the guy that needs to go. Wait until the CBA is even signed, which might not happen.
I know this …
I think the Knight pick is cool, but this doesn’t improve my opinion of Dumars. This team is still screwed until they get a coherent roster, and Gores doesn’t appear to have patience for an 8 year plan.
Something tells me that Dumars will seal his own fate if the roster’s not juggled.
Good. Bad. I'm the guy with the gun.
But...
The cap room is gone too…
by Tom Chambers Miracle 3 point dunk on Jun 26, 2011 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Nice username. I used to love to play with Tom Chambers back in Lakers vs. Celtics for SEGA Genesis.
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by The Boourns on Jun 27, 2011 12:37 AM EDT up reply actions
Agreed
Something tells me that Dumars will seal his own fate if the roster’s not juggled.
and dudes like me who have defended him for years will watch as the bridges are burnt. Detroit is bigger than Joe Dumars, and I’m 50/50 as to whether he can restore some respect to the franchise in the next couple years.
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I can't imagine that'll be much of a holdup.
Dallas wants Fernandez, Portland wants to be rid of Fernandez. It’s going to happen with or without this guy.
i didnt look into the specifics of the deal
im assuming you mean that kahn just got in on this deal when it was done and wasnt a vital part of it?
After looking into this a bit more
I have no idea what the hell’s going on. I don’t think he was ever included in the Fernandez deal, because Minnesota apparently bought that pick from Dallas. This is all very confusing.
The deal was for the pick
And will almost certainly be considered as such for the purpose of assessing it.
And yes, had I known Kahn drafted an ineligible player, I would have knocked the grade down for posterity. Still, he could have taken some lame offer for the #2, but instead got a great player. That’s the gist of what th T-Wolves did on Thursday.
by Kevin Sawyer on Jun 25, 2011 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions
If he’s ineligible, the only way they can get him is if Minnesota signs him as a free agent?
But why would you want the wrong Ngombo from Qatar? Or better phrased, why would the recipient want the wrong guy?
Good. Bad. I'm the guy with the gun.
lets talk about this again
When the season commenced, I reckon the trade will work out just fine. Unless anyone expecting a championship run next season..
by JohnAbruzzi on Jun 25, 2011 2:22 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
My opinions:
Charlotte won the draft, Denver was a close second. Faried will be the steal of this draft. If he develops any semblance of an offensive game, he was an incredible pick at the end of the first round.
Detroit’s draft remains terrible after sleeping on it for two nights. Brandon Knight, Rodney Stuckey, and Ben Gordon. There’s your guard rotation, Pistons fans. Hello 2012 lottery.
...and I still don't get why this is a terrible draft
We’re not suppose to pick a guard (even if it is a combo guard, which again I dont buy) b/c we have a 30 something year old that might not see the floor in 2011 and another combo guard that probably won’t be resigned? That doesn’t make a lot of sense to me.
I mean, who else do you take at the 8 spot. With all the big men gone, you couldn’t trade for any veterans or trade down. Guys like Markieff and Marcus Morris would have been reaches, and I’m not sure if Kawhi Leornard is a good player either. So you’re left between taking the 2nd best guard in the draft or reaching for even bigger question marks.
The second round picks…well, they;re second round picks. 9 out of 10 of them won’t turn out to be anything, so why is there so much bitching about who the Pistons picked in the 2nd round?
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by Latif Masud on Jun 25, 2011 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions
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BECAUSE THERE WERE GOOD PEOPLE LEFT ON THE FUCKING BOARD THAT FIT OUR NEEDS.
And we had the opportunity to trade down. We just didn’t take it because Joe Dumars had his heart broke when Stern assfucked him on the rules so now he’s trying to play Stern’s game, but he’s losing. Badly. We aren’t going to draft Dwyane Wade anytime soon. Draft for fit and all that, but build around what you have.
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by Biz Markie Moon on Jun 25, 2011 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions
Umm...
Who was left that you’d take?
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by Latif Masud on Jun 25, 2011 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions
I am asking for his opinion
I know who I wanted…and it was a PG…
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by Latif Masud on Jun 25, 2011 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions
So given that you two had differing opinions what evidence do you have to support the use of our pick on a questionable point guard (questionable is a very fair assessment of any 19 year old, I assume)
I know my evidence for big man help is that the Pistons were lowest in the league in rebounding and blocks. I also would have been cool with taking Leonard, the defensive specialist, because the Pistons gave up the lowest fg percentage in the league.
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Well
Here is what I know: more than likely, a guy like Kawhi Leonard or Marcus Morris weren’t going just step into the Pistons lineup, no matter how thin it is, from day one and make that front court a defensive stalwart. No one was.
The Pistons were 22nd in points scored per game last year, and I blame that mostly due to selfish play and disorganization. In Knight, you at least have some hope of game manager like Chauncey was and you have a guy that is young, willing to work and pass the ball unlike Stuckey or Ben Gordon. At worst, you have a player that can shoot the three pretty well, which means he can find a home on our bench. The difference between Stuckey and Knight is simple. One played point guard at the college level, though be it in a scoring role, while the other is a natural born shooting guard with above average passing skills for that position. Something that led JoD to think he could play PG at the next level.
I mentioned this once before: the problem with the Pistons isn’t that they suck at defending. Its that they suck at defending AND can’t score to save their life. Improving on either one at the 8 spot was fine with me. Knight has the higher ceiling compared to a guy like Leonard or Morris, so I’m not upset with the pick.
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by Latif Masud on Jun 25, 2011 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed we need to score and play defense. Our scoring struggled from having a point guard who could not shoot. But our point guard could play defense. By all measures we now have a point guard who can shoot and can’t play defense, so it is the same situation. We also had a point guard with poor shot selection when we drafted him, and it looks like we have a second coming of a point guard with poor shot selection that we are going to have to bring along slowly. So we took a step back defensively and a step laterally on offense. This is the definition of the treadmill.
I get that Morris and Leonard aren’t going to come in and start. In all honesty, most of the players in the draft shouldn’t come in and start after Irving, and Williams. This draft sucked. Had Barnes, Sullinger, et al. entered the group Knight wouldn’t be considered in the top ten. Knight should definitely not start and should probably spend some time in the D-league in my opinion. He’s the youngest candidate we’ve had in a while and he is really not worth throwing away a season or two on so we can see if he’ll become a completely different kind of player.
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Kenneth Faried. And don’t give me any bullshit.
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by Biz Markie Moon on Jun 25, 2011 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I mean, who else do you take at the 8 spot.
You trade the pick. Look at Cleveland, who has Kyrie Irving, Baron Davis and Ramon Sessions at the point. After this draft, they’re still just as weak on the perimeter as they were before, and #8 had perimeter options in Kawhi Leonard, Alec Burks, Klay Thompson, etc. Cleveland would have loved that additional pick and could have sent us Ramon Sessions in return.
Or you pick Faried or Morris, and it doesn’t matter what the consensus rankings are. Look back at every draft in history— does the pick order reflect the actual talent of the players selected?
The second round picks…well, they;re second round picks.
And there was a lot of value in the second round this season. Darius Morris, for example— I would have preferred him over Brandon Knight.
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The thing with trades
We’re not in the war room, so we don’t know whats going on in there. While sending the 8th pick their way makes a lot of sense, we don’t know if thats what they want. I tweeted right after they picked THompson that we should trade our 8th pick and BG + pieces to work the salaries for Thompson and take on Baron Davis’s contract. I guess it depends on who you like vs who I like. You want Alec Burks, I wanted Kemba…we got neither but Knight does have a ton of potential.
I’m not gonna fuss over second round picks. I’m not. We dont know what real value is until two or three years after the draft, so there is no point of even arguing aboout that.
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by Latif Masud on Jun 25, 2011 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions
We’re not in the war room, so we don’t know whats going on in there.
Clearly, we know what’s not going on in there.
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by tads on Jun 25, 2011 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Darius Morris was taken in the 2nd round for a reason. Slow PGs who can’t shoot rarely make it in the NBA. I can think of Andre Miller and…umm… that’s it, and he used to be fast. If you have no jumper, you better be as fast as Rajon Rondo or Darren Collison, because you then become more of a liability than an asset. He can get to the rim against Big Ten PGs, but the NBA is a different animal. I don’t see him succeeding in the NBA. I actually wanted Norris Cole in the 2nd round before the draft started. I think he has a chance to be pretty good. Sucks he’s in Miami :-/
"There’s your guard rotation, Pistons fans. Hello 2012 lottery."
You were really expecting a rookie (any rookie) to come in and be a savior THIS YEAR? Not exactly going out on a limb with putting us in next year’s lottery. I love the Knight pick (Calipari guards are never “pass-first” in his system, but they seem to translate well to the NBA), but we definitely need more pieces before we can even think about the playoffs.
by Sam2 on Jun 25, 2011 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
the issue
is that we may have not even acquired a piece in this draft, so we are still just as many pieces away as we we’re before. most fans aren’t so analytically inclined as to stare at stats all day, so it’s likely that Knight will be judged more for his willingness to take shots than his ability to do anything else.
being back to square one waiting on a PG to develop, hopefully this will turn out better than the last time we went through this.
Or maybe we have acquired a piece in this draft. Hard to tell when he hasn’t even put on a Pistons jersey yet. And I think most fans are judging him solely by his stats and ignoring other factors. It is what it is. I think he has potential to be a very good PG in the NBA, ignoring the fact that his assist numbers weren’t out of this world. The kid has talent, and was the best prospect available when we were picking. Joe has had his debacles, but I won’t fault him for this pick.
Say what?
Biyombo is another guy like Kwame Brown, raw and more the subject of random and unfounded projection and they traded Stephen Jackson for him. Biyombo will look great struggling for minutes in the D-League while the Bobcats crash and burn. Throw in that Kemba is a a cut-rate Iverson and they failed. At least they didn’t draft Jimmer though.
Outside of Alec Burks, I don’t see a guy in the next several picks after Detroit that I think actually becomes a viable NBA player who can score. While some will throw the Morrises out there, neither one looks like more than a Jerome Moiso clone. Pretty nice college players, but pretty common in the NBA. A better scenario for Detroit might have been someone taking Knight and Charlotte failing on Biyombo and leaving Detroit one of the Euros that went ahead of them. But again, there wasn’t anyone in this draft that was keeping the Pistons out of the lottery next season.
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