Joe Dumars on the coaching search, operating without handcuffs, working with Tom Gores
Following Saturday's press conference, Joe Dumars spent several minutes taking additional questions from the media. Inevitably, he was asked about the coaching search, and what qualities he was looking for in prospective candidates.
"Longevity, first and foremost," Dumars said with a laugh. "But secondly, I just want someone that can take the reins and run with it and don't look back. Embrace the position, command the room and lead this team. Those are the traits that any good coach is going to have."
In response to a follow-up question, he detailed some of the challenges coaches face. "You're together all the time," he said. "You're together with your team and teammates and coaches more than you are with your families. So those relationships, man, it's always a delicate balance. You have to be tough, you have to be understanding, you have to be everything. You have to wear a ton of hats. But that's what you do when you step in that seat, that's the criteria."
A couple of reporters asked Dumars how the expected lockout would affect the incoming rookie class, which Dumars politely declined to answer. "Listen, we have some very strict guidelines about this, so I'm a little uncomfortable talking about it," he explained. "The guidelines are strict, so I'll have to skip any questions about that."
That said, Dumars was comfortable talking about another topic that was formerly taboo: the restrictions he faced while operating under Karen Davidson the past two years, and the sense of freedom to go about his job he now enjoys working under Tom Gores.
"Sense of freedom, that's a good term," he said. "Listen, you do these jobs and you have to throw yourself into them completely 100 percent, you can't do these jobs with any level of success if you're 50 percent, 60 percent of what you can and can't do. So to be able to do whatever's necessary now to be good again, yeah, it's a really good feeling. A really good feeling."
Gores joined the rest of the Pistons' front office in the team's draft room this year, and Dumars came away impressed.
"It was really good," he said. "First of all, let me just say this, the guy is real smart, man. Because we've thrown a lot of stuff at him over the past month just about how things work and operate. And by the time he walked into the draft room, he had a great understanding. ... I was impressed that in a month he could grasp it the way he did, and he was very helpful in the draft room.
"Trust me, he was, because some of the stuff that he talked about, 'Do what you need to do and I'm here to do whatever I have to do to support you.' When you're running a team and you have an owner sitting here saying that, you have no idea how much that helps -- especially after the last couple of years."
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I'm sure he's thinking Carlisle longevity...
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
i thought he meant Ron Jeremy longevity
Without a doubt, squats are a cure for everything.
by bearded thundar on Jun 26, 2011 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
You know how nervous I get around foot longs Maude.
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
by The Boourns on Jun 27, 2011 12:20 AM EDT up reply actions
foot long maude
is what they used to call Bea Arthurs penis
by dandresden on Jun 27, 2011 12:22 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs

I'm so ahead of my time, my parents haven't met yet
by YakAttack on Jun 28, 2011 12:30 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
He's hiring John Long?!
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by MrHappyMushroom on Jun 26, 2011 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Who would WANT to coach a team with this roster?
Seriously, you can’t create a plausible NBA rotation with this roster, and you are guaran-damn-teed to piss off whichever of the several good-but-not-great guards you can’t play (short of using a four guard offense for much of the game). And, absent at least TWO moves, you will absolutely have to play a small-ball no-defense no-rebounding lineup a good chunk of the time. It’s still far from obvious when, how, or even if this problem will be resolved. It’s a recipe for failure.
There’s no reason to think that today’s roster will be the same roster that starts the 2011-12 season.
There are several reasons to think the main problems will be the same
Those reasons are the contracts of Rip, Gordon, and CV (if you think he’s a problem, which would be understandable even though he seems like a good guy).
Look, obviously we need to make moves, but to get something resembling a normal NBA roster, we have to make a couple of moves involving, basically, trading smaller guys with bad contracts for bigs. That’s not so easy. I hope it happens, and it’s not impossible, but as the “trade” thread indicates, it’s not clear what a fair trade that significantly helps our roster would be.
If we could somehow get rid of one of those guys
it wouldn’t have to be a “fair trade” to signficantly help our roster.
Just losing a guard wouldn't be enough though
To have a basically normal NBA lineup, we need at least another legit center and another legit PF. And by “legit” I mean “not undersized.”
FWIW, I’m not convinced the Pistons will actually make enough moves to have a winning record in 2011-12, I’m just saying they’ll probably do something to start heading in the right direction.
I hope you're right, and it's hard to believe they won't do anything
My only point was that the salaries put severe limits on what they can do, and that it’s a possibility that a potential incoming coach might understand that he will be dealing with a severely imbalanced roster and that would negatively impact his willingness to take the job.
Or maybe NBA head coaching jobs are big plums that are sufficiently attractive that good candidates would be willing to take the job despite an imbalanced roster. I honestly don’t know.
Or maybe NBA head coaching jobs are big plums that are sufficiently attractive that good candidates would be willing to take the job despite an imbalanced roster.
I think this is the case. With few exceptions, every coach gets fired at some point, so there’s no shame is being pushed out of your first gig. Given how much teams value experience and hire “retread” coaches, it’s quite possible to fail without being permanently blackballed.
It’s hard to remember that after seeing guys like Michael Curry and John Kuester fail so badly, but most competent coaches get multiple chances before they’re written off forever.
Who would WANT to coach a team with this roster?
They’re still
The Detroit Pistons.
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Coaches like to coach.
Franchises turn around in a hurry. An unbalanced roster won’t scare off most coaches.
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by MrHappyMushroom on Jun 26, 2011 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Great sports city. Great jerseys. Great History.
Everything will be okay. These are the lean years.
Fortunately I got all my buddies here at detroitbadboys to keep me company in the meantime.
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by MrHappyMushroom on Jun 26, 2011 9:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Well yeah.
That goddamn Okra and beans got you Oprah in jeans. Seems to me a little lean cuisine, wouldn't hurt much- Agh don't touch! -Obie Trice
I'll join in if
The theme from Good Times is sung in the background perhaps by the guys who sing this song
Welcome... to the Wallace-hood
Now that Dumars can hire a coach, maybe he can hire former pistons
Adrian Dantley as assistant, just saw it at Denver Post, he was fired because he did not want to seat at the back of the bench. He could help out with improving the forwards or scorers like Ben Gordon.
Adrian Dantley:
The Rosa Parks of NBA assistants. He should have his own day.
All the time relaxed.
by Supa Dupe on Jun 26, 2011 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
The idea that Jod was handcuffed and not allowed to make moves (which he himself is now beginning to imply, despite previously denying it) is hard for me to believe.
The inaction of the last couple seasons was an enormous drag on the value of the franchise, why would the previous ownership be in favor of that?
yeah dunno how i feel about that
i think i would rather have him not talk about it at all. seems kind of lame to throw stones at KD after the fact.
Why would he lie?
C’mon now he no reason to lie to you. The times he has screwed up he has admitted to this. So why lie now?
Not making a single trade in two years (the longest stretch of inactivity by any team by a mile) is virtually unprecedented. Remember when KD said she expected the ownership situation to be resolved by the start of the season? And then it dragged all the way through the season and into the summer? She had no idea it would take this long.
Because of the how jacked up the roster is, any trade will almost certainly involve taking equally bad contracts back, whether it’s more money up front or a longer commitment on the back end. I suspect KD was unwilling to pony up this past season and nervous tacking money onto the back would affect the sale price.
I also don’t buy into the theory that the performance of the team the last couple of years greatly affected the value of PS&E, which includes the Pistons, the Palace, Pine Knob, etc. Forbes almost certainly overvalued the franchise two years ago, which is when everyone thought the sale would be for $450 million plus. Michigan’s economy is still among the worst in the nation — that’s a bigger factor than the team slipping below .500.
Good points and good points.
Forbes overvaluing the franchise and its assets by more than 25% seems pretty high though. The Michigan economy has been terrible for a while and the organization stayed profitable.
There's a big difference
between taking on a 40 win team on the downslide and taking on a 30 win team that’s been poorly coached. At best the team improves and everyone thinks you’re a genius. At worst, the team treads water and the problem was the talent was not good. There are only 30 jobs and most of the open jobs are going to be with losing teams. So this is as good an opportunity as will be available. Pistons should take advantage of that.

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