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Detroit Pistons fire John Kuester, begin search for replacement

When Tom Gores was introduced on Thursday, he promised to meet with John Kuester and finally decide the fate of his embattled head coach: "We're going to do that, and we're going to do that fast."

And fast Gores was. Today, just three days later, the Detroit Pistons announced that Kuester was officially relieved of coaching duties:

AUBURN HILLS, Mich. – Detroit Pistons President of Basketball Operations Joe Dumars announced today that John Kuester will not return next season as the team’s head coach.  The decision was made following a meeting between ownership and the head coach.

"Decisions like this are difficult to make," said Dumars. "I want to thank John for his hard work and dedication to the organization over the last two years, however, at this time we have decided to make a change."

Kuester, who was named head coach on July 9, 2009, tallied a regular-season record of 57-107 in two season’s with the Pistons.  He served one season in Detroit as an assistant coach under Larry Brown in 2003-04, helping the Pistons win the NBA Championship that year.

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In a subsequent release, Dumars indicated that the search for Kuester's replacement has begun:

"As our organization moves forward and prepares for the future, the search for our club’s new head coach is a priority and will begin immediately. However, at this time, we do not have a timetable for hiring a successor.  We’ll conduct our due diligence privately and announce a decision when we’ve identified that individual."

If the rumors are true, Kuester won't wait very long to find work: a former assistant under Mike Brown in Cleveland, Kuester reportedly has a spot waiting for him on Brown's staff in Los Angeles. I really hope that's the case. Kuester put in two decades of hard work climbing the coaching ladder, and he deserves a chance to land on his feet.

Kuester wasn't Detroit's first choice (he was hired only after Karen Davidson nixed Avery Johnson's salary demands) and he certainly made his share of mistakes. But every rookie head coach goes through growing pains, especially when handed a team on the decline.

It's not his fault the depth chart he inherited was woefully imbalanced, or that the roster was basically set in stone due to an excruciating 18-month ownership transition. And instead of being able to lean on his veterans for stability, Detroit's longest tenured players turned out to be the most sensitive to change. In many respects, Kuester never had a chance, regardless of his credentials.

I wish Kuester well, and I don't hold him wholly responsible for his 57-107 record. He wasn't dealt a fair hand, but he'll be a better coach for his experience in Detroit, whether he remains an assistant or eventually returns to a head coaching role.

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(Also, a tip of the hat to DBB’er TDP for getting this up as a FanShot several hours ago.)

by Matt Watson on Jun 5, 2011 7:39 PM EDT reply actions  

Well said Matt W.

I wish Q all the best. He wasn’t the right guy for this team anymore.

I'm off to point the pink pistol at the porcelain firing range.

by Laughton on Jun 5, 2011 7:39 PM EDT reply actions   2 recs

I have nothing personal against Kuester

and I am also somewhat glad that he is going to land on his feet. Having said that and noting that the Pistons were unbalanced, in the middle of a transition that was frozen by the sale, that’s only a partial excuse. His handling of Hamilton was horrible. He gave Hamilton way way too much rope and lost games by playing him. He alienated his best player by benching him and then he just surrendered and played him to no real good purpose. I know that injuries were a factor in being unable to find a rotation that worked, but the lineups he used a four-year old could have told you wouldn’t work. He took a bad situation and made it much worse in multiple ways. Just taking him out of the equation could have improved this team 25% this past season. Rebuilding starts today.

by gordbrown on Jun 5, 2011 7:41 PM EDT reply actions  

Best player

For most of the season the best player was Tayshaun Prince. That may have changed by the end of the season and certainly will change this season. But that’s the facts.

by gordbrown on Jun 5, 2011 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

You need better facts.

No hate intended, just sayin’ there’s no way Tay was our best player this season.

by brgulker on Jun 5, 2011 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Debatable perhaps

Who might have been better? You of all people wouldn’t argue Stuckey. Monroe over the last 20 games but before that? I can’t think of another candidate. In terms of defence, rebounding, clutch scoring I still argue Tayshaun.

by gordbrown on Jun 5, 2011 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Greg Monroe

Yes, he didn’t play much or well early, but he was brilliant during the second half of the season, and he definitely out-shined Prince. His impact in fewer games was more significant than Prince’s impact.

by brgulker on Jun 6, 2011 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree Tay was our best player

I was saying it all season. Not to say the dude didn’t have flaws — yeah, he held the ball too long sometimes (although I still don’t see what great offensive flow we would have had if he hadn’t). And yeah, his rep on the defensive end may be greater than his current ability (although I don’t think Detroit’s defensive woes were mainly because of Tay). But look at the stats. Yeah, Monroe may have been the best for the last 20 games, but not all season.

by Toledo Joe on Jun 6, 2011 8:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

(although I still don’t see what great offensive flow we would have had if he hadn’t

This was as much a failure of Kuester as it was Prince, although Kuester didn’t have much else to work with at small forward. Detroit had one of the absolute slowest paces in the game last season, but they were a middle-of-the-pack team in terms of offensive efficiency. Increasing the pace could have added more wins, and it appeared that Tayshaun was the lynchpin of this sluggish offense.

Tay sported a career-high usage rate this season, being a central factor for nearly a quarter of all possessions when he was on court. Tay also logged the most minutes per game (and total minutes played). Given both, no player had a greater impact on pacing than Prince.

Of the 17 possessions per game where Prince made the final play (loosely estimated as fga’s + fta/2 + assists), let’s say 8 or 9 of those had Prince playing a point role and attempting either an isolation play or a pass out of a locked position just inside the perimeter (the actual number was higher, because we can’t say for sure how many passes didn’t result in a basket). On those possessions, Tay either dribbled out shot clock or held the ball at length before dishing it off to a player with little time left to execute. Either that or he attempted an isolation play against a defense that had set itself four or five seconds before. Logically, that doesn’t make for a very productive playbook, especially given that pacing was one of our greatest weaknesses in 2010-11. He was simply not the man for the job as an offensive centerpiece or point forward.

The problem with using Tay as the Pistons’ top option on offense is the opportunity cost. Namely, Greg Monroe. You have a guy who is shooting at a blinding level of efficiency, killing it on the offensive glass and is well-known as an astute passer. Prince may have been the Pistons most used player (top in mpg and fga’s), but Monroe was clearly more effective in the time allotted. Take some of that burn away from Prince, increase the pace and push the ball through Monroe on more possessions, and many problems with this team would have been lessened, albeit marginally.

Furthermore, Tay wasn’t just over-rated on defense this season, the team was at its worst on defense with Tay on the court. His defensive impact was so poor and his offense was so average that he didn’t do the Pistons any favors during his time on the court.

Then you’ve got Greg Monroe. In terms of on-court production, Monroe had the greatest impact on the team’s offense and it’s defense. His o/d-ratings were the team’s best in both directions, and he was one of two players on the team with a positive margin between o-rating and d-rating. His o-rtg/d-rtg margin was +11, and everyone else on the team had a negative impact, save for Chris Wilcox. Tay, for example, was -7.

The guy just didn’t do much to help our offense this season, and was given way too much burn when there were better options on the team.

Do it Jores!

by Mike Payne on Jun 6, 2011 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Personality, coaching or some combination

I still appreciate the phrase “midget grind” which just sums up so many problems, although isotayshaun was also quite good. Towards the end of the season, Prince actually started to run a little and it was a big improvement. So I always wondered why he was so reluctant to push the ball or get ahead of the ball earlier in the season. I wonder if it wasn’t some kind of passive-aggressive protest. Having said that Prince suffered from the same problem as Stuckey. Who the hell is he supposed to pass the ball too? And one of the the issues with Monroe is that he also had problems catching the ball in the earlier parts of the season. His growth in that regard (along with his improvement finishing around the rim) were the great signs of hope as it looked to me pretty miraculous (I wonder if he wasn’t looking over his shoulder in the early parts of the season and that might not have been a big part of the problem.) Of course, Prince won’t be around and hopefully we won’t have a coach that prefers to lose by slowing the game down and we get one who might be invested in taking chances now and then. That’s my concern with Woodson, IIRC he did demonstrate a little of that mindset in Atlanta. If it is Woodson I hope he has unlearned “midget grind style” from LB.

by gordbrown on Jun 6, 2011 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

Having said that Prince suffered from the same problem as Stuckey. Who the hell is he supposed to pass the ball too?

This year was very different than last year. We had two bigs capable of shooting over 55%, two 3-point shooters who averaged over 40%, etc. The Pistons were dead last in 3-point shooting last year, when Stuckey had no one to pass to, and the Pistons had the 5th best rate this season. That argument simply doesn’t apply here.

Do it Jores!

by Mike Payne on Jun 6, 2011 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

But that

It took almost the whole season to find those two bigs and those two three point shooters were not on the floor near enough minutes. Which is why I’m happy we’ve turned the page on a coach that couldn’t

by gordbrown on Jun 6, 2011 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Feels kind of nit-picky. Gordon and Hamilton averaged more than 26 minutes per game at the 2 and elsewhere, and Monroe was hot by January 1. For more than 2/3rds of the season, we had a solid Greg Monroe, and for the whole season, we had solid 3-point shooting at the 2 guard. Compare it to last season. It is completely night and day.

Do it Jores!

by Mike Payne on Jun 6, 2011 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

My two cents

1) I think Kuester deserves a lot of the blame for implementing the offense he did but I also don’t know how we could have expected much else considering the offense he implemented and personnel he had to run it in Cleveland (it should be no surprise to us that Tay ended up with the ball in so many situations given he plays the same position as Lebron).

2) Tay also deserves a lot of the blame (and this is where stats don’t tell the full story because I can recall plenty of instances where players other than Rip were either cutting through the lane or a simple “around the horn” swing pass would have resulted in a 3 pointer from the opposite side. Neither of these happened because tayshaun chose not to pass the ball. While you can blame the coach, it was tay’s consciou decision to hold onto the ball and it was his failure as a teammate to make passes with less than 4 seconds left on the shot clock.

Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.

by The Boourns on Jun 6, 2011 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Apologies

This should have been phrased much better, it was dashed off way too quickly. My point was that Kuester’s handling of Hamilton was inconsistent and every decision he made was made worse both because they were never timely and they invariably created more problems than they ever solved. To me the biggest tell was the fact that Hamilton continued to play (and play badly) for two whole weeks after the infamous upbraiding incident. It’s not just a matter of communication. Even players who have tuned out might be able to be convinced to tune back in. But players are very conscious of inconsistencies and unfairness. That to my mind was the issue. As far as Prince goes, I can’t look it up at work but my memory was that when Prince was out the team was even more horrible. In some ways I dread what the team might look like next season post Prince, but on the other hand and over the longer term some combination of Jerebko and Daye might well be an improvement (with better coaching of course).

by gordbrown on Jun 6, 2011 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

According to Yahoo's Adrian Wojnarowski

The Pistons are looking almost exclusively at first-time head coach candidates again.

That’s gone over well the past couple seasons.

FML

by TDP on Jun 5, 2011 10:19 PM EDT reply actions  

But… but… Laimbeer is POINTING TO HIMSELF in that photo! Come on, Joe! LOOK AT THE PHOTO!

by garrettelliott on Jun 5, 2011 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh wait. Laimbeer would be a first time head coach.

by garrettelliott on Jun 5, 2011 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, Sampson also has over a decade of head coaching experience in college. Mark Jackson is the only one without ever having had a head coaching job…or any coaching job whatsoever for that matter…well, I guess we know who our next coach is gonna be!

by Shinons* on Jun 5, 2011 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

yikes. sampson and woodson are meh options at best. and mark jackson would be the most laughable coaching hire in nba history…

so yeah, laimbeer please.

by Gabe F-B on Jun 5, 2011 11:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

yep

give that man a shot.

Do it Jores!

by Mike Payne on Jun 6, 2011 12:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

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by Biz Markie Moon on Jun 6, 2011 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Mark Jackson has been turned down by every team under the sun. As much as I’d love him off the television, not Detroit, not ever.

by Jon(athan) on Jun 6, 2011 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

This video that someone posted a while back about Mark Jackson’s outro’s is so true.

by garrettelliott on Jun 6, 2011 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

From a Lions fan...

Having a new head coach who is dedicated to your team is a great way to build a team from nothing. Schwartz and Mayhew have a great relationship and are on the same page. This is why I think Laimbeer would be the best choice. Laimbeer and Dumars are already on the same page after playing together on a defensive minded team. The last time we went through this head coach process on the Pistons I think we all were rooting for Lambeer. Now, yet again he is a favorite of the fans. In my opinion let him at it and if it doesn’t work out then it doesn’t work out. But give the man a chance!

If you are pondering, "What am I supposed to do" think the EXACT OPPOSITE thing as Matt Millen is thinking.

by LionsGuy4Ever on Jun 5, 2011 10:36 PM EDT reply actions  

The problem as I see it...

is that I’m not even sure what page JOD is on. When we won the championship we were a defensively minded team but now? Joe traded Chauncey for an offense only player, signed two offense only players (BG, CV), and his latest head coach hire was previously labeled as the offensive guru during his time in Cleveland.

Yes at one point they might’ve been on the same page, but if Bill Laimbeer is still of a defensive mind set, Joe’s mind may be in another direction now. On the other hand, if Laimbeer is truly a good coach, than this shouldn’t matter and he will shine this turd into maybe pyrite.

by madpoopz on Jun 5, 2011 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

All I have to say regardless of who we hire is if we don't at least give Laimbeer a shot, I will immediately lose faith in Gores.

And this is mainly for all the reasons that have been stated before but one additional reason. Laimbeer has been coaching the triangle offense with Rambis in Minnesota. What isn’t necessary for a triangle offense? A pass first point guard. What is necessary? A quality big who can pass out of the post (Monroe) and guys who can knock down jumpshots (Gordon or Rip, Daye, Jerebko, and to a lesser extent Stuckey). I’m not saying I’d want the triangle implemented all the time, but it would certainly be useful to be able to transition into it some of the time.

Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.

by The Boourns on Jun 5, 2011 11:01 PM EDT reply actions  

I’m all for Laimbeer… as an assistant coach.

by TDP on Jun 5, 2011 11:04 PM EDT reply actions  

Kuester was a horrible leader. I’m glad he’s gone.

by Rotten Atom on Jun 5, 2011 11:49 PM EDT reply actions  

clean house and then hire a coach…the main problem always comes back to the vets who will never be happy with a losing team. i don’t blame them. keep big ben if he’s willing but please god send rip and taye to greener pastures.

I smell a troll

by Frankdog on Jun 6, 2011 1:27 AM EDT reply actions  

as far as laimbeer

i’d love to drink the pistons kool-aid no f’n doubt but what reason other than his time with the wnba and him being a kick-ass member of a fanfuckin tastic pistons team do we have any reason to belive he’d be a good coach?

I smell a troll

by Frankdog on Jun 6, 2011 1:32 AM EDT reply actions  

You're grossly understating Laimbeer's credentials in the WNBA

Fact: Laimbeer won 3 championships with the Shock
Fact: Laimbeer instilled confidence among all players while head coach of the Shock
Fact: Laimbeer commanded respect from all players
Fact: Laimbeer didn’t put up with bullshit from his players
Fact: Laimbeer is a huge reason for Kevin Love’s success this past year (confirmed by Love himself)
Fact: Laimbeer has won 5 championships utilizing the defensive-minded, tough work ethic, hard-nosed style of ball that Gores expects
Fact: Laimbeer is a proven winner.

Seems good to me.

Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.

by The Boourns on Jun 6, 2011 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wonder what khandor has to make of these developments. He really invented the “Kuester is not a good coach” idea.

by TDP on Jun 6, 2011 1:55 AM EDT reply actions  

If its a digital watch you may need to go down to the second.

Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.

by The Boourns on Jun 6, 2011 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

…making the khandor comparison EVEN MORE ACCURATE.

by -PS- on Jun 6, 2011 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

I vote Billfucking Laimbeer

..that’s not happening though. I am convinced there is some sort of resentment or back of the house politicking that is afoot.

It’s fucked up that #40 is ready for a shot here and Dumars is clearly floundering but wouldn’t give dude a chance. I mean, shit I’d by home tickets just to come see a new Pistons team with Laimbeer at the helm.

That goddamn Okra and beans got you Oprah in jeans. Seems to me a little lean cuisine, wouldn't hurt much- Agh don't touch! -Obie Trice

by Skylar on Jun 6, 2011 9:39 AM EDT reply actions  

Agree with Matt's take on Kuester.

And agree with almost everybody here. Laimbeer makes a lot of sense (seems perfect actually) for discipline, defense, toughness and leadership. Also, he probably wouldn’t demand a huge contract, the Pistons are not going to be in the Finals for a while, so it looks like a low risk, high reward, at least on paper.

by dfdpl on Jun 6, 2011 10:07 AM EDT reply actions  

Bill Laimbeer’s daughter thinks Bill Laimbeer is an awesome coach. DO IT, JOD!

by garrettelliott on Jun 6, 2011 10:32 PM EDT reply actions  

Stop it, I just ate lunch

That goddamn Okra and beans got you Oprah in jeans. Seems to me a little lean cuisine, wouldn't hurt much- Agh don't touch! -Obie Trice

by Skylar on Jun 7, 2011 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

All the more reason for the Pistons

To rescue him from his Eastern European exile.

by Grant E. on Jun 7, 2011 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions  


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