Chad Ford: Pistons focusing on five prospects
Chad Ford, who's notoriously cozy with Joe Dumars, provides insight into Detroit's draft day plans. From ESPN In$ider:
Not only has Gores given strong support to Dumars, but he's also not pressuring Dumars to take shortcuts. Dumars will have the green light to build the team the right way in the next three years.
How will it affect the Pistons' draft? Like every team, they would be open to a trade for the right offer. If they stay at No. 8, there are five guys on their radar. Most of the guys they are looking at are bigs -- Jan Vesely, Jonas Valanciunas, Bismack Biyombo and Tristan Thompson. The only name that belongs to a guard is that of Kemba Walker.
Whom would Joe D take?
Dumars likes winners, and if Kemba Walker fell that far (a big if), he'd be seriously in the mix even though point guard isn't a pressing need for the Pistons.
No real surprises, except for the disconcerting suggestion that an undersized combo guard might have a leg up on everybody else. (Ford isn't sure the Pistons really need Vesely -- despite standing 6-11, the dunking ninja will likely play small forward in the NBA -- and calls the other three big men projects.) In any case, Dumars' right-hand men Scott Perry and George David are traveling to Spain this week to see Biyombo, while Dumars stays behind to handle the coaching search.
Also not surprising but interesting nonetheless: Gores is apparently giving Dumars three years to prove himself. It takes time to rebuild in the NBA, so it's good to see Gores embrace a long-term approach, but if it takes that long to make the Pistons relevant again, I'm not sure there will be any fans left to care. Here's to hoping to Year 1 is getting back to the playoffs, Year 2 is a 5-6 seed and Year 3 is a division crown.
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in order of interest:
Biyombo
Thompson
Meh
Nah
Boo
re: giving Dumars 3 years, I’ll let Tom Gores answer:
“Now I don’t want you sitting with that mistake for a long time. I don’t want you to get set in whatever decision you made. If it was wrong the next day, change it. And that’s a culture that we’ve got to re-set here in the Pistons organization.”
If he’s giving Dumars three years, doesn’t that contradict his statement? If Jod continues this fuckery, won’t Gores “change it”?
Do it Jores!
by Mike Payne on Jun 7, 2011 6:05 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Agreed
I hope by “Jan Vesely and Kemba Walker” he actually meant to write “Kenneth Faried or trading out of the pick.”
If Kemba Walker is available at 8
We should consider taking him but only if we can swing a deal for moving him + Rip/BG to someone in the 15-20 range
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
I don’t think Gores would let Dumars completely tread water for three years, but I do think he’s willing to allow a long-term plan to take shape.
Matt, you said what I wanted to say...
…in 10% of the words.
I need to work on this.
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by MrHappyMushroom on Jun 8, 2011 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions
disagreed
I think he was speaking more to CV and BG. To not give him a chance to make some changes over the next few years after being handcuffed for the last 2 would be a shitty move. JoD has made some mistakes over the past years, but also hasn’t been able to correct them. Who is to say he wouldn’t have realized his mistake with BG and CV and did something about it, had he not been stuck in limbo?
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by MaxiellEatsLittleOnes on Jun 7, 2011 11:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Who is to say he wouldn’t have realized his mistake with BG and CV and did something about it, had he not been stuck in limbo?
Excuse my Francais, but who is to say those contracts were even remotely fucking tradeable?
Do it Jores!
who knows, there are a lot of asshats running teams out there
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by MaxiellEatsLittleOnes on Jun 8, 2011 1:15 AM EDT up reply actions
Not quite contradictory
I think the message is that the plan is to stick with Joe, who does have a long track record of high levels of success, despite some really bad moves over the past few years. However, if there were further signs of crazy dysfunction, he would reconsider.
I am all with the obvious arguments that the past couple of years have been awful and that Joe deserves a lot of the blame. Still, how many general managers have won championships over the past twenty years? Maybe five or six? I agree that the more recent failures deserve close scrutiny, but don’t much honor the, “Hey, that championship was SEVEN years ago!” argument. Most franchises would kill for a championship in the past decade. Most GMs never come close to contending, much less winning. And Joe truly engineered that championship in a way that the Lakers’, Bulls’, and Celtics’ front offices never did.
The game and the formulae for success have changed since 2004. But I’d consider Joe as good a bet as anyone to figure it out. I don’t see a list of possible replacements that have every taken a team as far as the conference finals.
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by MrHappyMushroom on Jun 8, 2011 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Point guard isn’t a pressing need? Every position but he ones Jonas and Greg are playing are pressing.
by brgulker on Jun 7, 2011 6:35 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Agreed.
If the most talented player available is a PG, I think you have to take him. But I still hope we get the 76-year old Biyombo.
by garrettelliott on Jun 7, 2011 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions
In order of interest
1) Biyombo – great defense, rebounding, dunk shots
2) Valanciunas – amazing high efficiency offense (.70 FG%, .85 FT% at current level)
3) trade the pick
4) trade the pick
5) trade the pick
Thompson is a mediocre defensive rebounder. I like simple things like boxing out in a PF.
Never draft a player who improved his stock in the NCAA tournament, so no Kemba Walker.
Jan Vesely won’t be able to guard NBA SFs on the wing or PFs down low and can’t dribble.
re: Valanciunas
I thought about including him in my “nah, boo, meh” list above, but changed my mind about him pretty quickly. The 70% FG shooting is unreal… but it was done across 14 games with 15 minutes per on a team in Lithuania. The issue with Valanciunas is that it could be years until he can be relied upon to produce consistently and in a starting lineup. His foul rate of 8.3 PFs per 40 mins is Amir Johnson nasty. I’m not really big on Tristan Thompson, but I’m confident that we’ll get something of value out of him during his rookie contract. As for Valanciunas, he might not really hit his stride until his option year. It might be a tough sell for Gores, given that he wants to build value— and paying off Jonas’ contract might be a deal breaker, even with its relative inexpense.
Do it Jores!
V is for Valueciunas
I don’t mind taking young players but most good teenage NBA bigs take years to get consistent. Maybe the new NBA contract will give teams something stronger than the right to match a Qualifying Offer for draft picks? I agree that Valanciunas is more of a project. I also agree that his stats are coming in a small sample but the same is true of Bismack Biyombo.
A lot depends on how the Pistons want Monroe to develop. All things being equal, draft a compliment to him, not a duplicate. I see Biyombo’s lack of offense as less of a problem with Monroe’s court vision and passing. Is Monroe a PF or C?
If the Pistons can flip the pick for a future pick and some salary relief, I’m OK with that.
Jan Vesely picked at 8th spot!?!?
I think that would be the most dumb thing Dumars can ever do for the Pistons.
This must be some subterfuge, no way this is the Pistons plan. I bet if they talk up all these scrubs their stocks will rise and then the Pistons will come away with future-lockdown-perimeter-defender Leonard. Talking seriously about Thompson or Vesely is hopefully an attempt to fuck with the Kings.
Welcome... to the Wallace-hood
Well, Kriz...
We have been hearing rumors that your pants are on fire. You cannot blame Mike for connecting the dots….
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by MrHappyMushroom on Jun 8, 2011 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I still like Faried. I don’t feel confident about anyone in our range, though.
by brgulker on Jun 7, 2011 8:08 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
I like Biyombo and Faried. We need bebounds and I’m convinced they can bring them to us.
by garrettelliott on Jun 7, 2011 8:56 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Walker!
If Kemba Walker is available you gotta take him, he’s a proven winner and Stuckey isn’t a PG for the long haul, he’s be better at the 2. Drop Rip off on the somebody, and move forward with Laimbeer as the new head coach.
sorry no offense to you and Kemba both
However no Walker please…
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by OK from J on Jun 7, 2011 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
No problem.
It’s all good, just my opinion. I feel if we get Jerebko healthy he’ll definitely be an asset.
Kemba Walker strikes me as a really good sixth man. Again, the best case scenario is he ends up like Ty Lawson, which wouldn’t be bad at all. He’s kind of a low risk low reward guy.
WORD PLAY
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by Biz Markie Moon on Jun 7, 2011 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah but...
We would rather have a really good 6th man than the next Josh Boone, Hilton Armstrong, Oleksiy Pecherov, Patrick O’Bryant, or Sene; all of whom contributed little to nothing during his time in the NBA and as played his way out, or certainly almost out.
I once played at a soccer clinic when I was around 6 years old against a team called the "Mean Machines"
There was one kid who anytime he got control of the soccer ball would yell MEAN MACHINES MEAN MACHINES MEAN MACHINES until he passed it. It was pretty awesome.
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
by The Boourns on Jun 7, 2011 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
This is the greatest of stories.
WORD PLAY
Ever since I'm back where my brother went, that's what my tomb will say.
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by Biz Markie Moon on Jun 7, 2011 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions
recd for the story and your rememberanting of it at such a wee age
That goddamn Okra and beans got you Oprah in jeans. Seems to me a little lean cuisine, wouldn't hurt much- Agh don't touch! -Obie Trice
-PS- scouting report
Bismack Biyombo
PRO: blocks and dunks, brings them to me
CON: older than the city of Detroit
Jonas Valanciunas
PRO: first name is Jonas
CON: the sequel is never as good as the original (except The Godfather II)
Tristan Thompson, Jan Vesely, Kemba Walker
PRO: names sound like hot girls
CON: not as hot as Jonas Jerebko
by -PS- on Jun 8, 2011 12:27 AM EDT reply actions 7 recs
Oh, and the Trial of Billy Jack!
(Seriously, go rent it. An appalling, appalling film, even to the extent that I—with a socialist tattoo on my left breast—couldn’t wait until the heavily armed fascist Amerikan national guard burst into to the school and massacred the peace-loving interracial students…)
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by MrHappyMushroom on Jun 8, 2011 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions
Back to the Future Part II
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
goddamn right
That goddamn Okra and beans got you Oprah in jeans. Seems to me a little lean cuisine, wouldn't hurt much- Agh don't touch! -Obie Trice
Two people think that Back to the Future Part II is better than the first one. You guys make me feel less lonely now.
WORD PLAY
Ever since I'm back where my brother went, that's what my tomb will say.
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by Biz Markie Moon on Jun 8, 2011 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions
nope...I'm right there with you.
Back to the Future Part IV would have been far and away the best.
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
actually I mean...Back to the Future III SUCKS
Its totally the worst. TAKE THAT SHINY ONIONS.
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
PS
TAKE THAT SHINY ONIONS
See what I did there????
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
No worries Boourns, I wouldn’t expect you to understand. Some people are tough enough to prefer the wild west like Back to the Future III offers and some people prefer a Smart Car-driving, latte-sipping, team-losing sorta environment. Each to their own.
BOOM!urns
by Shinons* on Jun 8, 2011 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
And I wouldn't expect YOU to understand that I'll be waiting for YOU Shooter Onions in the parking lot.
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
Ah, Richard Kiel. I like him. Did you know he's from Detroit?
And he’s also never filmed a single movie in Seattle. They wanted to once, but he insisted the filming location be moved to Oklahoma City.
I'd take Richard Kiel as our head coach over Lawerence Frank.
I heard he not only never filmed a movie in Albuequerque, but he’s refused to go to Albuequerque citing that he refuses to enter any city spelled with a Q.
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
And by the way
Albuquerque has a pretty decent coaching pedigree going on – Steve Alford’s awesome, Darvin Ham coaches our D-League team, and Sheed was through to help him out not too long ago. I mean, I’m sure that can’t compare to the Storm, but still…
by Shinons* on Jun 8, 2011 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Two time WNBA Champs...what what?!?!
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
They were also the first team to go undefeated in the playoffs to win it last year.
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
what what?!?!
First dude to ever celebrate back-to-back WNBA championships in internet history.
Do it Jores!
by Mike Payne on Jun 9, 2011 12:36 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
GIRL YOU KNOW ITS TRUE!
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
except The Godfather II
I’ll take one a them red-headed Yolandas…
Do it Jores!
by Mike Payne on Jun 8, 2011 12:58 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
CON: the sequel is never as good as the original (except The Godfather II)
and this one (at least to me)
That goddamn Okra and beans got you Oprah in jeans. Seems to me a little lean cuisine, wouldn't hurt much- Agh don't touch! -Obie Trice
by Skylar on Jun 8, 2011 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
liza Minelli...
/shudders
That goddamn Okra and beans got you Oprah in jeans. Seems to me a little lean cuisine, wouldn't hurt much- Agh don't touch! -Obie Trice
yeah dudley moore was a handsome man
That goddamn Okra and beans got you Oprah in jeans. Seems to me a little lean cuisine, wouldn't hurt much- Agh don't touch! -Obie Trice
She's generally awful.
But if you’ve never seen Cabaret, do yourself a favor. Still my candidate for greatest film of all time, and that’s seriously because of her, instead of in spite of her.
(And no, I don’t usually care for musicals.)
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by MrHappyMushroom on Jun 8, 2011 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Completely on-topic
Spaceballs 2: The Quest for More Money.
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
CON: the sequel is never as good as the original (except The Godfather II)
Breakin’ 2: Electric Boogaloo
By the power of Grayskull... I have the power!
by He-Man on Jun 8, 2011 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
The official highlight package for the 2nd Jonas brother starts by showing a wolf in the wild.
Just Sayin.
Rebounds and defense
Looking from the Finals perspective, an elite level rebounder/defender is an absolute must for any team, even at the expense of limited offense. So Biyombo is probably an ideal pick for the Pistons at 8th, as long as he’s anywhere as good as his dominant display at the Nike Hoop Summit. He’ll have another chance to impress this weekend, at the adidas eurocamp in Treviso. The thing is, if Bismack steal the show again, he’ll probably be gone before the 8th pick.
http://www.adidaseurocamp.com/page.php?pid=home
Valanciunas will not participate, and has no buyout clause, so he’s probably too big of a gamble for Joe.
I've been reading that his buyout would actually be structured somewhere along the lines of:
team that drafts him pays the max $500,000. Then Jonas would allocate a % of his rookie contract on a sliding scale based on where he gets drafted to his team in Europe. Supposedly his team is receptive to this as they’re really hurting for cash.
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
wait....wait...
are you calling the likes of Tyson Chandler, Haywood, or Joel Anthony elite? on Defense? or Rebounding? smh…I’m sorry but they’re more average than elite. Game 3 showed Mike Miller handle Chandler on the boards a few times, which made me sad bcuz there was once a time I wanted us to get him.
Looking from the Finals perspective, an elite level scorer who can get a foul call when someone breathes in his direction is an absolute must for any team, especially if he does not come with limited defense.
No.
I’m not saying that Chandler or Anthony are an elite defenders/rebounders. Just that rebounding and defense are essential in the playoffs, and that having someone in the lineup, who basically concentrate ONLY on rebounding and defense, is not that much of a liability after all. It is becomming a rule actually. Dallas/Chandler, Miami/Anthony, Chicago/Noah, OKC/Ibaka/Perkins. Detroit/Ben Wallace! Of course it’s better to have a Shaq or Olajuwon in the middle, but it is a privilege given to about one team every decade.
So with that in mind, lets go and grab that Biyombo monster!
‘an elite level scorer who can get a foul call when someone breathes in his direction is an absolute must for any team, especially if he does not come with limited defense’.
As it turns out, it may not be a must this particular time. But of course I concur. And we could have had that player once…

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