Report: Joe Dumars wants Mike Woodson, Tom Gores wants Lawrence Frank
It's funny what passes for news during a lockout. ESPN.com's Marc Stein reported yesterday that -- surprise! -- the Detroit Pistons' coaching search has boiled down to Mike Woodson and Lawrence Frank, setting off a domino effect of reports in Detroit's media either citing Stein's report or independently confirming the news without actually mentioning his name. (Bad form, Perry A. Farrell. It looks petty, especially when a co-worker already credited Stein 14 hours earlier.)
In any case, Stein calls Woodson "the closest thing to a favorite," mostly because of Dumars' familiarity with Woodson from 2004. Tom Gores, however, has his own opinion. Stein reports:
Yet sources say that one reason Detroit’s search has dragged out so long is the strong impression that Lawrence Frank made on new Pistons owner Tom Gores and his advisers, among them former New York Knicks executive Dave Checketts.
Stein also confirmed yet again what we've heard all along: part of the reason these two have emerged as frontrunners is because Dumars is reluctant to hire a first-time head coach after striking out with Michael Curry and John Kuester. That's too bad, because the failures of Curry and Kuester have nothing to do with anybody not named Curry or Kuester. It's like betting on roulette based on what colors came up last.
Dumars struck gold a decade ago by giving Rick Carlisle his first break, and Carlisle might still be around had Dumars not set in motion Detroit's unspoken philosophy of disposable coaches. (I'm not saying dumping Carlisle for Larry Brown didn't work, but the Pistons have been paying for that move ever since. But I digress.)
Even if Gores hasn't convinced Dumars to expand his search beyond the tired frontrunners we've heard for months, at least he's not being swayed by familiarity. Sure, Woodson might be the right choice, but Frank may be as well. It's not an either/or situation -- they each would likely have some measure of success if Dumars does his part in fixing the roster, which includes balancing the depth chart and pruning the malcontents. (Then again, the same could have been said for Kuester, who was likely promised as much when he was hired, had he been retained.)
I just wish Dumars would use the lockout to his advantage. Without free agency or trades to distract him, he has all the time in the world to devote to interviewing and recruiting candidates. Has he tried to speak with Spurs assistant Mike Budenholzer? Or Rick Adelman? Or anybody on this humungous list of options? Coaching hires are usually rush jobs, but the Pistons have the time to conduct the most thorough coaching search in the history of the NBA. (Maybe this is actually happening, but if it is, he's done an amazing job keeping a lid on it.) So why settle on the first two names that popped into our collective consciousness two months ago?
(Broken record time: However Dumars spends his summer, don't expect an announcement anytime soon. Gores knows how to protect his bottom line -- just ask the dozens of employees fired earlier this month -- so I'd shocked to see him start the clock on a multimillion dollar lockout before the lockout is resolved.)
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Have Pistons fans always pined for days of Rick Carlisle? Or did Dirk’s playoff run somehow change the perception of the guy?
I've always had a hard spot for Carlisle
The Championship didn’t hurt, though.
by brgulker on Jul 15, 2011 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Me too.
I liked what he was doing in Indiana.
by garrettelliott on Jul 15, 2011 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions
and I thought it said "hard on". both would have beene acceptable.
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
rec'd
for making everyone else squat more
Without a doubt, squats are a cure for everything.
by bearded thundar on Jul 17, 2011 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions
I tend to think players win championships, but
There were several moments in the Finals this year when I thought Carlisle clearly outcoached Spoelstra.
Personally? No.
When he was fired from Detroit I cried foul, but Larry Brown was clearly an upgrade and took the defense to another level. Now I’m pining for anything other than what we’ve got. Shit, I hung my Tony Delk poster back up (not that I ever took it down.) I don’t think the revolving door of coaches was set in to motion by Dumars. I think Brown leaving for the money and bright lights of the Big Apple set that in to motion. It was just that nothing really stuck after he left.
Legend has it if you say his name 3 times he shows up and scores 50+ points on you.
by JoeDip on Jul 15, 2011 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
I hope Gores wins this battle
simply because Dumars running carte blanche has ran us into the ground.
by bezeerk on Jul 15, 2011 12:25 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I think I've finally crossed over.
It’s maybe momentary, but I no longer feel I can trust Dumars will do the right thing.
WWGMD?
by Kriz on Jul 15, 2011 12:29 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
I actually still trust Joe, but I want to give the new guys a chance and see what cards they have up their sleeves. Which is the same way I feel about the young guys on our roster.
by garrettelliott on Jul 15, 2011 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree with what you and garrett said in TDP's fanshot
Of the two, I pick Frank. I haven’t researched either or formed a strong opinion based on merit. But I’m sick of Jod living in 2004. Rip and Tay have tarnished their legacy enough relative to that team. If Jod keeps reaching to recreate the past, his continued failure to do so may translate into a little bitterness toward the era that brought me so much joy. And the idea of that makes me sad.
At this point, I'd rather be Frank than the son of a wood...of course I'd rather drink the beer of lambs before either one of those.
but with Minnesota firing Rambis, maybe we can convince Laimbeer to come in as an assistant?
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
However Dumars spends his summer, don’t expect an announcement anytime soon. Gores knows how to protect his bottom line — just ask the dozens of employees fired earlier this month — so I’d shocked to see him start the clock on a multimillion dollar lockout before the lockout is resolved.
Couldn’t they make the hire with the contract pending until the resolution of the lockout?
does the coach matter when the roster sucks
by jadedeed2327 on Jul 16, 2011 1:39 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm not so sure Carlisle was pushed out
As I said a month ago, I think he always wanted to leave due to the ill culture of the organization. Bill Davidson had a strong dislike of the guy, didn’t he?
Anyway, to be honest, I have to side more with Gores, not because of the fact that he’s pitted against Dumars, but because of his demeanor. He really wants the team to succeed. Although he’s doing all he can to better the team (and Dumars doing everything he can just to save his own ass), I have to wonder about his overall plan to make that happen.
Oh, and no talk about Laimbeer saddens me.
Who has 2 fingers and loves championships?
THIS GUY!
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
by The Boourns on Jul 17, 2011 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
that's a man
the clearly squats for pleasure
Without a doubt, squats are a cure for everything.
by bearded thundar on Jul 17, 2011 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions
he also helped the wolves to the worst record in nba
by jadedeed2327 on Jul 18, 2011 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Their record wasn’t as bad as this post you made at Canis Hoopus:
derrick williams is next lebron james but not as good
by jadedeed2327 on Jul 18, 2011 10:21 AM PDT reply actions
by Shinons* on Jul 18, 2011 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
Khandor's A Tout Now?
If he’s as good with stats as he think he his, why sell his picks?
In the land of milk and honey you must put them on the table...
by V. on Jul 20, 2011 5:52 AM EDT up reply actions
you also helped yourself to one of the worst posting records in DBB history.
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
by The Boourns on Jul 18, 2011 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
laimbeer deserves any blame for wolves?
by jadedeed2327 on Jul 18, 2011 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions
no mostly rambis and players but everyone deserves blame
by jadedeed2327 on Jul 18, 2011 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Did you just answer yourself?
Yes. Yes you did.
Terrence J. is feeling a bit fishy...
by Trout Jefferson on Jul 18, 2011 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
At least he answered correctly.
Baby steps.
My federal building is way cooler than your federal building.
As long as Laimbeer, the lowest ranking of assistant coaches, is taking the blame for 65 losses
I’ll go ahead and credit him with Kevin Love beasting this season.
OH was this during All-Star Weekend?
I think I do remember that.
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.

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