Reports: Lawrence Frank, Detroit Pistons agree on 3-year contract
Several outlets are reporting the same thing, but I'll give Vinnie Goodwill of the Detroit News the blockquote honors:
The Pistons have reached a formal agreement with Lawrence Frank to become their new head coach, according to a source.
The source requested anonymity because Frank has not been introduced by the team as the new coach.
Everybody reporting the news -- from Goodwill, to the Freep's Michael Rosenberg, to Y!'s Adrian Wojnarowksi -- agrees that Frank will receive a three-year deal with a team option for a fourth. Woj actually takes this one step further, reporting the fourth year could become fully guaranteed if certain incentives are met.
Woj also makes another interesting claim, stating that Frank, and not former Hawks coach Mike Woodson, has been the clear-cut favorite of both Dumars and Tom Gores since Frank's first interview. This directly contradicts ESPN's Marc Stein's report from earlier this month that Dumars wanted Woodson and Tom Gores and his Platinum Equity partners preferred Frank. Perhaps it's revisionist history, or perhaps it's another shade of gray. But for now, it doesn't matter.
The Free Press spoke to Woodson this afternoon to get his reaction:
"I’m not disappointed; it’s not about that. Obviously, it was a place I was familiar with the surroundings and the people back in 2004. It would’ve made my transition a lot easier. It wasn’t meant to be. I can’t lose any sleep over this. It was a job I was looking forward to jumping into, but it didn’t work out. All I can do is wish him the best and keep moving."
As for the rest of the coaching staff, Frank is already making calls. Again, from Woj:
Frank has already started talking to possible assistant coaches and seeking permission to talk to assistants employed with other teams. Frank plans to bring Boston Celtics assistant Roy Rogers, and will consider the possibility of retaining his former assistant in New Jersey, Brian Hill, who is a holdover from John Kuester’s staff in Detroit.
Pat Sullivan, who served under Michael Curry and John Kuester, also has history with Frank, serving as one of his assistants for three seasons in New Jersey from 2005-08. Sullivan told Perry A. Farrell of the Detroit Free Press that he's already been in touch with Frank:
"I texted him when I heard and he said he got my message and that he'd be in touch," said Sullivan, who is hoping to be named to Frank's staff.
"Lawrence's biggest strength is probably his preparedness. The fact that he leaves no stone unturned. I think that's probably the biggest thing for him. ... He watches a lot of film. He's a very good teacher. He's a good communicator with the guys. I think those things are going to help him."
Last but not least: One of the reasons that Woodson was considered a frontrunner for so long was his previous experience with Dumars as an assistant coach under Larry Brown in 2004. As it happens, Frank has a connection with another member of Detroit's front office, although not one nearly as visible.
Frank's coaching career "started" at Indiana University under Bob Knight, where he served as the student manager for four seasons until graduating in 1992. His final season coincided with the arrival just preceded (fixed!) that of George David, who served as a student assistant under Knight from 1992-96 and is now, of course, the Pistons director of player personnel. (I have to credit Matt Dery (@deryNBA) for making this connection known to me via this retweet.) I have no idea how much of a factor Frank and David's shared Hoosier connection played in Detroit's, but I can't imagine it hurt.
Digging even deeper: after leaving Indiana, Frank spent several years working under Kevin O'Neill, first at Marquette and then at Tennessee. O'Neill, if you recall, would eventually join Rick Carlisle's staff in Detroit in 2001. After that, Frank's first exposure to the NBA came as an assistant for three years working under Brian Hill with the Vancouver Grizzlies. And now Hill is crossing his fingers that Frank will give him a job. It comes full circle.
My (long, rambling) point? I'm not sure I have one, aside from noting that Dumars and Frank have worked with a lot of the same people over the years. If there were any red flags with hiring Frank, Dumars had ample time to ask around and find them.
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That was a long 24-36 hour imminent announcement
WojYahooNBA is losing his touch! Glad this is (appearing to be) finalized though…
That's the double-truth, Ruth.
I'd be real surprised if Hill didn't stay on
In addition to their time together in NJ, Frank’s first NBA job was under Hill.
Gesundheit!
My federal building is way cooler than your federal building.
by bugman222 on Jul 29, 2011 8:35 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Revisionist History
Of course it is…I mean what would you expect Dumars to say?
Many of the threads here, too much is read into what seems to be the obvious thing to tell the media or the public.
I’m happy with the Frank hire, let’s move forward. Kind of like the front office is doing.
In the land of milk and honey you must put them on the table...
too much is read into what seems to be the obvious thing to tell the media or the public.
I lol’d, dude who declares to understand every press nuance as some telling point to “the real story” of how Dumars operates. V’s got jokes, y’all.
That's the double-truth, Ruth.
Actually The Opposite
…maybe it’s time to get your Adderall script refilled?
I’m trying to figure out how Mr. Happy Mushroom said essentially the same thing I said, with much more detail, and got 7 recs ( I guess i’ll have to make it 8), and I boil it down to two sentences, and get dismissed. Erroneously, as usual, of course.
In the land of milk and honey you must put them on the table...
by V. on Aug 3, 2011 4:16 AM EDT up reply actions
It's easy to read into things...
when a significant proportion of your news comes to in 140 characters or less, or is affiliated with the word “rumor.”
Sorry if we’re reading to much into vague news releases or trying to make sense of ones that may be completely made up. There just really isn’t too much to talk about right now.
Dumars' Preference Likely = No Big Deal
In this internet age, we are constantly trying to parse the tiniest, most insignificant details and assigning them great importance.
Sure, maybe Joe D hated Franks, loved Woodson, and told Gores he’d quit if Woodson weren’t hired (only to back down, because he needed a job…). Let me give a far more likely scenario, (assuming that Woodson ever was Joe’s “choice”):
They were two strong candidates. Both Gores and Dumars (and everyone else associated) agreed that while neither were Phil Jackson, neither was likely to be MCIAFI in disguise. For Joe’s part, he really like aspects of each. Over the course of a month, he went back and forth. At the end of the day, his gut told him that maybe Woodson was a little bit better match for this team at this time. But he was also impressed with Franks.
Gores: “Joe, if it were solely your decision, which way would you go?”
Joe: “I’d be happy with either choice, Tom. (It is okay if I call you Tom, isn’t it?) Either would be a massive upgrade over the last two poorly selected candidates. You know, there’s a toughness to Mike that I like. So if it were up to me entirely, I think I’m leaning in his direction. But Larry brings things to the table as well. So I guess I’d be enthusiastic with either with a slight edge to Mike Woodson.”
Really, guys—this is how life works. I’ve searched on hiring committees and it’s not too often that the choice is George Michael vs. Larry Craig. (A little anonymous bathroom sex allusion; made explicit, as I think it’s too abstract for ready consumption.) If you had to decide on two weeks in Thailand or two weeks in Cambodia, you might have a preference. But that’s not to say that Plan B will lead to your immediate suicide.
My blogs: pakagankarachi.livejournal.com (dormant)
burmahunkalove.livejournal.com (occasional signs of life)
by MrHappyMushroom on Jul 30, 2011 5:51 AM EDT reply actions 10 recs
I mean I know that Hill and Sullivan both have good experience...
but am I the only one bothered by the fact that we’re retaining any of our coaches? I realize that Kuester had to set the tone and similarly Dumars, but it just seems surprising to me that we’d retain any of these guys. Once again, I’d much rather have Laimbeer as an assistant over Sullivan or Hill…
Wouldn’t this be the best of both worlds? Having a guy on the bench that will draw fan interest while having a head coach with the experience and knowledge to help the team improve?
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
Hill I'm for...
but hasn’t Sullivan been here a lot longer? It might be good to mix things up a bit for the old farts on the team.
Hey Boo, totally OT, but I thought of you when I saw this:
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2389463,00.asp
Love,
Mike Payne
That's the double-truth, Ruth.
mildly interesting but if anything the company is just trying to get on the map...
claiming that an internet browser should be “eradicated” is a bit ridiculous. Online IQ tests at least from what I’ve read can be pretty unreliable. They indicate that “most users came to the test via organic search engines or advertisements on search engines based on keyword searches” but don’t indicate what words they purchased advertising against and whether the words were consistent across all browsers. It’d be incredibly easy to skew data for the sake of gaining publicity by purchasing keywords in Bing of “GED” while purchasing keywords on google of “Graduate Degree” or “PHD”.
In short, I see no value in this analysis other than the publicity that the research firm is sure to get and the obvious boner you’re sporting in finding the article and posting to DBB. Happy splooging MP.
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
I saw it on Google News today and laughed, saved it to share :) I agree with you that the analysis was bunk and valueless, but I couldn’t let it go without posting. It’s because I love you, Boo!
That's the double-truth, Ruth.
I love...lamp.
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
by The Boourns on Jul 30, 2011 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
unrelated but big ups to MFMP
I love how you put it down on dude from pistonpowerd about Dumars. He thought he was hot shit but you had his number from the get go brother. Good shit homie. Keep up the good fight!
The artist formally known as DetBalla.
by BillyRude on Jul 31, 2011 6:54 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Thanks MFBR, but I could have handled it a lot better and not been so much of an ass clown. However, I am quite proud that I have a new quote from Khandor as my new signature for DBB :)
Mike Payne is a walking-talking-hate-spewing-fire-breathing example of how exactly NOT to use supposed "statistical" analysis in the game of basketball. -- Khandor.
by Mike Payne on Jul 31, 2011 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions 7 recs

"Don't know whatcha got, 'til it's goooonnnee..."
by BandWagonerPaysTheDues on Aug 1, 2011 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
khandor fascinates me. He’s so frustratingly consistent with his weird typing style and themes and everything that I’ve gained a strange respect for him after all this time.
by garrettelliott on Aug 1, 2011 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
His-style-has-no-effect-on-me; I know that-much.
by TDP on Aug 1, 2011 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
He ain’t telling. I know that much for sure.
I suspect he was a ball boy for some NBA team at some point. That, or a janitor.
Reminds me of an exchange from one of my favorite movies.
Inigo Montoya: Who are you?
Westley: No one of consequence.
Inigo Montoya: I must know.
Westley: Get used to disappointment.
by Birdman84 on Aug 3, 2011 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Lest people believe Khandor that DBB is filled with Payne-inspired groupthink, I disagree with Mike about Flip and letting Big Ben go to Chicago. I do agree with Mike that giving Joe Dumars slack for not trading his bad contracts is dumb, since no one was forcing Dumars to ink those contracts in the first place.
DBB lives off of the burden of proof. Mike Payne’s MFRant at Piston Powered is really just a collection of the various precedents that have been set through different arguments. It seems like group think to the outside observer, but really it is the product of well thought out arguments that have to stand the scrutiny of our various game threads and fan posts. Because so many topics have come up, and so much evidence has been brought forth, many Pistons issues are “closed” at DBB. Other issues remain up for debate and most members can whip out the proof on these issues at a moments notice for their side.
Welcome... to the Wallace-hood
Agreed— I feel a lot of my opinions just reflect the collective opinion here, and that my own opinions are stronger than they would be because they’re vetted in such a smart, engaged community. I’m not saying that to be ass-kissy, but I would like to think that my engagement with you guys makes me a better fan. There’s that saying— if you want to be successful, surround yourself with successful people. The same can be said of DBB— if you want to be an educated, thoughtful fan, surround yourself with drunks. Tee hee!
"Mike Payne is a walking-talking-hate-spewing-fire-breathing example of how exactly NOT to use supposed "statistical" analysis in the game of basketball."
by Mike Payne on Aug 1, 2011 9:17 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
… my own opinions are stronger than they would be because they’re vetted in such a smart, engaged community. I’m not saying that to be ass-kissy, but I would like to think that my engagement with you guys makes me a better fan.
This.
by Matt Watson on Aug 2, 2011 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Ooh, interesting points
The Ben contract was so horrible that he wound up being twice, then bought out of it, so I certainly agree with you on that side – no way I’m paying a 32 year old whose game is based on athleticism $16 million. But also replacing Ben, a legendary rebounder, defender, and hustle player with a guy like Nazr, who was serviceable, nice and efficient on the offensive end, an adequate rebounder, but a complete stiff certainly represented a, as MP put it, “giving up the defensive identity that Joe had crafted in Detroit” and “cost Detroit another championship.” I think you’re both right! /hugz
And as for Flip, that brings to mind a larger point that I’ve been thinking as the Jod apologists have gotten even more insufferable. While MP may be right that hiring Flip represented a change in philosophy that softened us up in a way that contributed to us losing our identity, I don’t think that’s where Jod went wrong. It was when he fired Carslisle to hire Brown. MFSFS got me thinking with his suggestion that the Spurs still boasted a top 5 roster – Jod’s problem is short-sightedness. We could have had our Popovich, we could have a core built around, and we could have had several more 50 win/title contending teams. But his lack of patience is the sole cause for the state of this franchise.
The Ben contract was so horrible that he wound up being twice, then bought out of it, so I certainly agree with you on that side – no way I’m paying a 32 year old whose game is based on athleticism $16 million
That contract was insane, but I would have gone higher than Jod’s final offer to retain him even if it was a fiscally poor move. His first year in Chicago and his last year in Cleveland would have earned Jod’s offer— he was injured in the year between, but he was an important part of Cleveland’s success in his final year there. Would I pay as much as Chicago did to keep him on, or at least try to make a closer offer? In hindsight, I probably would. He was the first to go during those years of contention, but he was one of two of the most important parts of this team. I would have put the expendability like this:
1) Prince
2) Hamilton
3) Rasheed
4) Ben
5) Chauncey
I would have kept Ben on for a few more years and likely would have traded Rip and Rasheed during their expiring seasons. Prince, however, would have been the first to go.
Last, re: Nazr, I’m pissed about his usage in Detroit. The Webber signing was exciting, but damning to a team that played better with Nazr on court. Nazr was our best defender that season (D-rtg), our best rebounder, second only to Chauncey in TS%, etc— he was a really effective player even though it didn’t feel like it. We were used to beastly dominance in the paint, yet Nazr just went in there and quietly, effectively did his job.
Fun (and entirely useless) facts: in the 2007 NBA playoffs, Nazr Mohammad had a 44.1 PER, a 172 O-Rating and .682 ws/48, the highest of any playoff player in the NBA that season. In 6 minutes of play. :)
"Mike Payne is a walking-talking-hate-spewing-fire-breathing example of how exactly NOT to use supposed "statistical" analysis in the game of basketball."
That’s my big hindsight regret as well. At the time I was pissed that Ben wanted so much money, but seeing how things played out I wish we just would have paid the guy. When Ben left, he took our franchise’s heart with him.
by garrettelliott on Aug 1, 2011 9:39 PM EDT up reply actions
glad you and hayes made up mp
i enjoy both of your takes on the stones quite a bit.
it seems like khandor is slowly beginning to unravel, years ago he would have never thrown out such blatant personal attacks.
glad you and hayes made up mp, i enjoy both of your takes on the stones quite a bit.
Even in the heat of that argument, I have zero qualms with Patrick Hayes. He’s a good guy and a great Pistons fan and I’ve enjoyed his writing for many years. I think if we had that conversation here or in a bar, over a beer, it would have been much more civil, and I wouldn’t have been the only opponent. This is a hard thing to say without stepping on any toes, but PistonPowered is a new community without the kind of identity we have. I’m not talking about the content Patrick and Dan produce, but what happens in the comments. I rarely chime in there, but I see some ridiculous clown ass shit being said by people there that isn’t deserved by the writers or the community. Patrick appears to have fell into the role of defense in the comments section, and I think that’s what he did when I spoke up. It kind of reminds me of DBB comments three or four years ago, when the game of Personality Tetris was still begin played. Like Tads said above, we’ve closed a lot of discussions here that are only now being opened in other communities. That doesn’t make us better, we’ve just collectively known each other longer I guess.
"Mike Payne is a walking-talking-hate-spewing-fire-breathing example of how exactly NOT to use supposed "statistical" analysis in the game of basketball."
by Mike Payne on Aug 1, 2011 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
I like that Khandor, who by his own reckoning at least 40 some yrs old, is reduced foaming at the mouth spastically when he encounters you. He used to be so fake polite even under metric tons of scorn.
by dandresden on Aug 1, 2011 11:20 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I love it! That was like the first time I had engaged him since he had been banned. Yet he broke character so soon! My pants got tight, and by that, I mean boners happened.
"Mike Payne is a walking-talking-hate-spewing-fire-breathing example of how exactly NOT to use supposed "statistical" analysis in the game of basketball."
1 (from previous post). Even six years later, I still don’t know what I’d say to do regarding Ben. Part of me figures he was one of the greatest defenders, rebounders, and hustle players of all time, easily would have earned his pay. And I agree with you on the expendibility rating, would even put Ben number one. Other side says he was tired of the Pistons and a 32 year old making 16 million despite his game being based on athleticism. Really even today I could go either way.
2. Probably right on Nazr and Webber. Most important to me was toughness, and Nazr brought more of it to the table than Webber…by a long shot.
3. You used numerical bullets to make your point, like khandor! Haha!
4 (from current point). I mentioned Jod supporters being insufferable in my last point – this hit on it. They’ve gone from aghast, to dismissive, to WTF. Makes me really wonder how pervasive this Jodoration is. The only regular that I can think of here who still defends him wholeheartedly is V (not to speak for you V, no offense intended), just between those posts like Hayes, the Detroit columnists, and people taking it at face value that his hands were tied this past year, it kinda blows my mind. Makes me, personally, think that Jod may be the most overrated GM in the league.
Oh, and also toward Birdman’s linked discussion, MFP (yes, I prefer it that way) owned (no groupthink’d), and khandor somehow manged to use 2,335 words to say absolutely jack shit. Dude is an aberration of the English language.
Even six years later, I still don’t know what I’d say to do regarding Ben.
Totally agreed. I think I’d regret the situation no matter which way I sided, I guess.
Other side says he was tired of the Pistons
And after I got over the initial shock, I didn’t blame him. Fuck, I was tired of the Pistons at that point too, and I wanted change. This kind of plays into my mention of Flip being the first domino in the lapse of Detroit ball. Without Flip, and with another coach, might Ben have wanted to stay, and stay for less?
Your point re: Carlisle is right, that probably was the first domino, or at least a colossal failure in its own right. Brown was a good coach, but a fucking dickhead when it came down to it. Asshole. I’m gonna go do some job interviews while y’all are prepping for the finals kinda dickhead. I think Joe’s change of character started when he hired Flip, but his first real failure wasn’t Darko, it was Carlisle. Big ups to the shiniest of onions.
"Mike Payne is a walking-talking-hate-spewing-fire-breathing example of how exactly NOT to use supposed "statistical" analysis in the game of basketball."
Yep, it’s interesting and could be looked at a lot of different ways. It’s unfortunate that the pro-Dumars crowd is so defensive/self-assured, because it could be a really cool conversation.
As to whether Ben would stay for less, it seemed to me part of his discontent was feeling under-appreciated. With Chauncey’s past with Flip and taking home Finals MVP, seems understandable. Can definitely see your point, that maybe with a coach who valued a more defensive, physical approach he would have still felt like the team’s catalyst and not felt that need to leave.
I definitely didn’t like Carlisle being fired.
As for Flip being lackluster defensively, his three seasons saw the Pistons rank fifth, seventh, and fourth in D-rating. Larry Brown’s teams were first in the title-winning year and then third. There wasn’t much of a drop-off and Flip did improve the offense significantly. He wasn’t perfect but did a pretty darn good job.
rec'd
when the game of Personality Tetris was still begin played.
Without a doubt, squats are a cure for everything.
by bearded thundar on Aug 2, 2011 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions
Agreed, great line. Things would often get weird back then — people arguing about the smallest details, getting personal, etc. Even if we don’t all agree these days, there’s a LOT more respect for opposing viewpoints, at least when they’re argued logically. Back then, a lot of regulars wanted to fight with knives.
I remember getting into an argument with LawyerBoy about something trivial and I was like, “This is weird.” And then he went away.
by garrettelliott on Aug 2, 2011 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions
I remember him saying he wanted to fight Boney, like actually get violent.
"Mike Payne is a walking-talking-hate-spewing-fire-breathing example of how exactly NOT to use supposed "statistical" analysis in the game of basketball."
Championship calibre team problems
“Arroyo should totally be getting more minutes then Delk!”
“i’ll fucking stab you!”
by C$ on Aug 3, 2011 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Now, the beef’s under the surface. Me and Skylar got into a trapeze knife fight the other night over who drank all the lemonade.
WORD PLAY
hollywoodsloce.tumblr.com
by Biz Markie Moon on Aug 3, 2011 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Wait, you say Detroit played better with Nazr than with Webber?
IIRC we were well into the season and barely above .500 with Nazr, then we went on a winning tear after getting Chris. Nazr seems like a nice, hard-working guy, and I’m not bashing him (and that 2007 playoff stat is kind of interesting). But during the regular season, at least, Detroit did much better with Webber. And I still don’t think the playoff losses were mostly Chris’s fault.
Statistically, the team was better on both ends of the court with Nazr. We were 3-13 the December prior to signing Webber, but Nazr didn’t even see 20 minutes a game that month. If my memory serves me, Flip would start Nazr and very quickly sub him out for Dyess, he would play the 4 while Sheed would slide to the 5. This was a failure repeated until neither Dyess or Sheed were on the team any more.
"Mike Payne is a walking-talking-hate-spewing-fire-breathing example of how exactly NOT to use supposed "statistical" analysis in the game of basketball."
I dunno
We sucked for at least a month with Nazr, and then did much, much better with Webber as a team — and your argument is that we would have done much, much better with Nazr if he had gotten 30 mpg instead of 15? That seems to rely a lot on whatever statistics you are referring to. While I’ll freely admit I’m not the stats guru you are, I think the actual record of the team before and after getting Webber says more than you seem to think it says.
POI
Ownership fired Carlisle, because of what was perceived as insubordination to Tom Wilson by Carlisle.
I don’t think anyone seriously thought LB would make it more than 2-3 years through his contract, but it ended way uglier than anyone could possibly imagine.
In the land of milk and honey you must put them on the table...
by V. on Aug 2, 2011 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed
I remember Dumars doing an interview on PTI days after firing Carlisle and he said that if it had been left up to him, he would have kept Carlise. But Davidson wanted him gone, so Joe didn’t have much choice.
My federal building is way cooler than your federal building.
There were a ton of roomers out there, and whether Dumars fired Carlisle because ownership wanted him to against his will, because he was a prick to players, because he didn’t play the young guys, whatever the reason, it doesn’t change this: Dumars fired Carlisle.
But who wanted him gone?
Dumars may have been a bigger Carlisle fan than anyone on here, but if Davidson wanted him gone, he would have had no choice. You can’t blame him for making a decision that his boss forced him to make.
My federal building is way cooler than your federal building.
Yeah, I understand that, but blame aside – it’s factually inaccurate to say that “ownership fired Carlisle.” They might be the reason Dumars fired him, but Dumars is the one who fired him. That’s the point I was making.
As to your point, I still believe it’s on Dumars. Certainly I wouldn’t crucify him for it – Mr. D is Mr. D, it’s not like he’s Dolan or Dan Snyder. But these are the decisions Dumars was hired to make and allowing anyone else to make them for you is not doing your job. If the rumor is true then he was undermined and that was certainly a tough spot for him to be in, for sure, so it’s not like I put this alongside the Rip extension or anything like that. Just that he has to stand by it.
Distinction Without A Difference
Tom Wilson wanted him gone, Davidson was loyal to Wilson, poof, Carlisle was gone.
That’s the story as pretty much everyone I know who was close to Mr. D and pretty much as reported by everyone in local media understood it. How much more corroboration do you need?
In the land of milk and honey you must put them on the table...
by V. on Aug 5, 2011 5:13 AM EDT up reply actions
Actually There's A Very Big Difference In The Distinction
“Dumars fired Carlisle” is a fact. “Ownership fired Carlisle” is not a fact.
by Shinons* on Aug 5, 2011 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Search For Bandwagon Ass Clown
…and you get this…
In the land of milk and honey you must put them on the table...
by V. on Aug 3, 2011 4:22 AM EDT up reply actions
Oh Lord
The dreaded 3 year deal. I thought this was the guy we were going to stick with long term. What a leap of faith, we might be back here in 3 years with the new guy.
really? Last 2 coaches have gotten 2 year deals...3 years plus a team option with the possibility for a 4th year guaranteed based on performance
is a pretty long-term deal when you’re the Pistons.
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
Unless you're getting a hall of fame type coach, its pretty dumb to commit anything beyond 3 years.
What did you want? A 5 year deal?
See, I want long-term commitment to Frank. That long-term commitment is to be patient with him when the team doesn’t win while they make the necessary roster changes to build a good enough team to win with. And hopefully by year 3, when the team IS good enough to win, Frank does exactly that.
I don’t want us to struggle for two years while the roster is being rebuilt and put the blame on Frank. But I don’t want Frank to just get a free pass, either. He’s gotta show he’s the right man for the job, even if it doesn’t show up in the standings.
Terrence J. is feeling a bit fishy...
by Trout Jefferson on Jul 30, 2011 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Well put.
"Don't know whatcha got, 'til it's goooonnnee..."
by BandWagonerPaysTheDues on Jul 31, 2011 3:46 AM EDT up reply actions
http://www.learnenglish.de/grammar/punctuationtext.htm
Punctuation means making points. It means putting the right kind of points in the right place so as to mark the exact length and meaning of sentences. Proper punctuation is essential in written English to enable the reader to understand what it is you are trying to say. Spacing with punctuation is also important to make your writing readable. Here are some English punctuation rules.
"Don't know whatcha got, 'til it's goooonnnee..."
by BandWagonerPaysTheDues on Jul 30, 2011 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions
I, too, can speak jive. It’s just that it’s not fun to read. Watch, yes.
Airplane! – “Oh stewardess, I speak jive”
"Don't know whatcha got, 'til it's goooonnnee..."
by BandWagonerPaysTheDues on Jul 30, 2011 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions
awesome.
Surely you’re not serious.
I am. And don’t call me Shirley.
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
by The Boourns on Jul 31, 2011 12:22 AM EDT up reply actions
same here...as someone who played baseball from 4 years old through my freshman year in high school
you’d think it was something I’d come back to naturally. But alas, I spend all my time on the Lions and Pistons…which if any of you haven’t been paying attention to the Lions, Mayhew is moving and fuckin’ shakin’.
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
Now's as good of a time as any
Presuming you pulled for the Tigers. They’re leading the division with two teams pushing and the Twins still looming as a dark horse, Verlander’s a bona fide badass, Cabrera may be the best hitter in the game, Martinez is underrated, they have some nice young pieces, and a player named Al Albuquerque. I’m a White Sox fan, but I tip my hat to them, they’re fun to watch. And if you didn’t have any loyalties already, I’d push you to the Sox…but they’re frustrating as hell.
I grew up a Yankees fan (obligatory snarky comment expected)
but given my sports affiliation with Michigan (Pistons, Lions and MSU) I like to send my positive energy to the Tigers. However, the A-Rod era has put me off baseball and quite frankly I no longer can stand the constant cock suckery Jeter gets because I feel were he not a Yankee he wouldn’t get half of the attention. Perhaps the Yankees, and as a consequence baseball, are just another thing my hater persona has taken as a target. Right now I can’t muster the energy to follow baseball.
Not being able to watch the games doesn’t help.
WWGMD?
I actually don’t mind the Yankees, just because I dislike Boston fans that strongly. But yeah, cheering for them would suck. The Jeter hype is just hilarious – Gold Glove last year despite being average at best defensively. Just a joke.
My favorite overhyped Yankee is Mattingly. Only four really solid seasons, two decent ones, the rest of his career he was basically Billy Butler. They never once made the playoffs while he was there despite making the World Series the year before he started and winning it the year after he retired. Yet he was one of the highest paid players in the league while he played, and has coasted his way into a second career as a manager just from that Yankee overhype.
The Jeter hype is just hilarious
I know nothing of baseball, but I see that dude constantly. He was sitting on the patio of a starbucks a few blocks away from my house the other day, and I bumped into him while walking past. He’s in my fiance’s store once a month or so with his lady friend Minka Kelly, buying stuff for her dog. They live just under a mile away from my house in this colossal mansion they finished building a few months back. It’s kind of weird, the connection between Yankees baseball and Tampa, thanks to Spring Training. There is Yankees paraphernalia everywhere, there’s a street named after Steinbrenner, and Jeter isn’t the only Yank that at most calls Tampa home.
The cool thing is that while I don’t care much for baseball, I can still see the Tigers play during Spring Training when they play the Yanks in Tampa, or for a short drive to Lakeland where the Tigs call home base.
"Mike Payne is a walking-talking-hate-spewing-fire-breathing example of how exactly NOT to use supposed "statistical" analysis in the game of basketball."
a few blocks away from my house the other day
Actually, that was like a month ago. I found it kind of weird that he’d just randomly be there in the middle of the day, so I checked his game log on Yahoo MLB and found that he was on injured reserve for like a week.
"Mike Payne is a walking-talking-hate-spewing-fire-breathing example of how exactly NOT to use supposed "statistical" analysis in the game of basketball."
Don't under-estimate the Fister trade...
I think he could be pretty damn good for them. Mariners haven’t done shit on offense all season and his W-L record has suffered because of it
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
Aardsma agrees that he’s an asset not to be taken lightly:
“There will always be a gaping hole where the Fister was.”
by Shinons* on Aug 1, 2011 12:17 AM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
best quote ever.
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
I feel like it'd be against site decorum
to post a picture of goatse.
Here’s a less-graphic graphical interpretation…
>O<
by TDP on Aug 1, 2011 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions
back and forth forever
"Mike Payne is a walking-talking-hate-spewing-fire-breathing example of how exactly NOT to use supposed "statistical" analysis in the game of basketball."
d’oh, ascii fail ))<<>>((
"Mike Payne is a walking-talking-hate-spewing-fire-breathing example of how exactly NOT to use supposed "statistical" analysis in the game of basketball."
I remember someone photoshopped
a goatse version of those sinkholes somewhere in Central America a couple years ago.
That made me chuckle. And made me NEVER want to see the original.
by TDP on Aug 1, 2011 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions
New head coach
I like this choice we needed to move on from larry brown’s coach’s now we can start fresh and new! Thank’s everybody for your support! anyone who want to donate to the foundation is welcome we need to build a school, we lost 6 schools in the tornado we need help bad!!
by Fred W. Capel on Aug 1, 2011 3:29 AM EDT reply actions 9 recs
Can you post a link to the foundation, please?
"Don't know whatcha got, 'til it's goooonnnee..."
by BandWagonerPaysTheDues on Aug 2, 2011 5:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Thanks, buddy
"Don't know whatcha got, 'til it's goooonnnee..."
by BandWagonerPaysTheDues on Aug 2, 2011 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions

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