Greg Monroe: breakout sophomore of 2011-12?
by BandWagonerPaysTheDues on Jul 6, 2011 4:54 PM EDT
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PrintTwo out of five of these ESPN bloggers agree. The Monrobocop will rise like a phoenix from the ashes of the ruins that are the Detroit Pistons. Well, they didn't exactly say that...
3. Which rookie is ready to rise as a sophomore?
Jordan Heimer, ClipperBlog: Greg Monroe isn't a sexy choice, but that's why Detroit fans love him. Despite being a center who plays mostly below the rim, Monroe was the Pistons' best player for most of last season, averaging better than 13 points and 10 rebounds per game after the All-Star break. He's crafty, hardworking and surprisingly quick on defense -- in other words, a perfect Piston.
Jonathan Santiago, Cowbell Kingdom: Like most rookies, Greg Monroe didn't get much publicity because he played for a terrible team. But after a shaky start, he proved to be one of the most reliable players on the Pistons' roster this past season. In 25 games following the All-Star break, Monroe averaged a double-double for Detroit. I like his chances of improving even more his sophomore year.
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"Don't know whatcha got, 'til it's goooonnnee..."
by BandWagonerPaysTheDues on Jul 6, 2011 4:57 PM EDT reply actions
Fields was a joke. Tee hee.
"Don't know whatcha got, 'til it's goooonnnee..."
by BandWagonerPaysTheDues on Jul 6, 2011 5:01 PM EDT reply actions
MOOSES AND FUCKING MOOSES
BRING THEM TO ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Got Hubie Brown's moms on speed dial.
But they're already here!
Terrence J. is feeling a bit fishy...
by Trout Jefferson on Jul 6, 2011 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions
I picked Wall, just because he’ll look slightly more competent which will lead to the sports media stuffing him down our throats. Meanwhile Moose will be getting better in ways that actually lead to wins.
They can have their throat stuffing. We’ll take the wins.
WORD PLAY
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by Biz Markie Moon on Jul 6, 2011 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions
I think Monroe will end up with a statline somewhere along the lines of:
17 points, 12 boards (since ya know…we don’t have any other bigs to rebound), 2 steals, and 2 assists. Meanwhile Wall will average 20+ points, 8+ assists, and 4+ turnovers and get all the love.
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
That made me come. That’s baby Al Horford shit. Hell, maybe even as good.
WORD PLAY
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by Biz Markie Moon on Jul 6, 2011 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions
that's better than Al Horford
I don’t care what the media says about him, the guy is an average center with great athleticism. I would hands down take Moose, even right this day.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=1&p1=monrogr01&y1=2011&p2=horfoal01&y2=2011
http://espn.go.com/nba/player/splits/_/id/4260/greg-monroe
Just take a look at the numbers, take away Monroe’s slow start (ie look post all star) and he was actually a considerably better player with the exception of win shares (but to be fair the Hawks won a shit ton more games). Over the course of the whole season, he still had a better shooting percentage, including TS%, had the same rebounding percentage but was a considerably better offensive rebounder, had a higher o-rating and close enough d-rating considering how bad the Pistons were.
There is no doubt in my mind, Greg Monroe is already the second best center behind Dwight Howard. Cousins and Griffin may turn out to be bigger game changers, but they still play PF.
Without a doubt, squats are a cure for everything.
by bearded thundar on Jul 6, 2011 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Nene would like a word with you...
However, there is a valid question as to which center is most desirable to have. Howard is obviously the winner here, but the fact that Monroe has done so much, and is still so young, is compelling.
Agreed on Horford.
by Kevin Sawyer on Jul 6, 2011 11:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Nene is definitely better
As are Tyson Chandler, Marcin Gortat (check his stats with Phoenix last season, and he’s MUCH better defensively), the Andrews (Bogut and Bynum), Marc Gasol, and Joakim Noah. So yeah, let’s maybe just calm down for a second.
How's that for a slice of fried gold?
by Thom not Tom Gores on Jul 7, 2011 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions
I'll concede Joakim Noah and Andrew Bogut
But Bynum is always injured, Chandler can’t create any offense for himself or others (he relies entirely on the pick and roll) , Marc Gasol is horrible defensively and just about average on offense this year and lastly Gortat imo is about even. Gortat is much more mobile, but i think his offense came purely from playing alongside Steve Nash. I don’t think he’ll ever be a 17 and 10 guy, which is what Moose is with a competent point guard.
As for Nene, that’s a tough call. The guy is really talented offensively and very athletic, but that doesn’t actually translate as much to the court as it should. Monroe had the same offensive rating, a higher rebounding rate (and the Nuggets had no real rebounder beyond Nene), similar steal and block percentages and due to team considerations I’ll call the assist and t/o % a wash. The real area where Nene stands out is TS% and ws/48. However, once again you have to take Monroe’s numbers with a grain of salt because of the bad start he got to. If there was a way to look at just Moose’s second half advanced stats I’m sure they would be much closer to Nene’s.
So if we’re choosing a player to build a team around, i’m still picking Moose over Nene. Statistically they are very similar but Moose is younger, played on an awful team, and frankly is an a lot smarter player that will likely be at least perennial 15 and 10 guy
Without a doubt, squats are a cure for everything.
by bearded thundar on Jul 7, 2011 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions
and the Nuggets had no real rebounder beyond Nene
This I don’t agree with. Aren’t Birdman and Kenyon Martin both considered to be at least competent rebounders?
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
Birdman is a high energy player, not a starter
And no i would not consider K-Mart to be a competent enough rebounder to excuse Nene’s 9 per 36. In fact I would say Martin is a pretty poor rebounder himself at 8.7 per 36. I
MO, a good rebounder gets at least 10 boards per 36; Moose got 11 in the second half. Evan Ed Davis, who I admittedly thought would be a horrible pro based off his college play, got 10.4 per 36. That’s just inexcusable for a guy as big and athletic as Nene
Without a doubt, squats are a cure for everything.
by bearded thundar on Jul 7, 2011 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m not defending any of these guys over Monroe, in fact I’m nit-picking. I just see these as some very large nits that are very worth picking:
Chandler can’t create any offense for himself or others (he relies entirely on the pick and roll)
This would be a problem if he didn’t lead the league in O-RTG both in the regular season and the playoffs. He was by far the most efficient option on offense in the league this season, and one of the core reasons for the Mavs success on the offensive end.
Marc Gasol is horrible defensively
Not at all true. Gasol is one of the league’s better defenders across the board, and one of the absolute best in post defense. In the post, Gasol only allowed .71 points per possession last season, which is even better than Dwight Howard (.75 ppp in the post).
Got Hubie Brown's moms on speed dial.
I would consider rebounding part of defense
Gasol got only 9.3 boards per 36 his best year, with a pretty weak 7.8 this year. The guy does supply a fair amount of blocks though, more than I expected after looking at the numbers. I don’t have access to advanced statistics such as points per possession etc, so i’ll just have to take your word on that.
As for Chandler, i still think that was due to playing alongside Dirk and Kidd. Statistically he’s had pretty low o-ratings without playing alongside a good distributor, and even still he’s never come close to 131 before. But to be fair he is totally a piston, i have advocated to go after him this offseason if due to the CBA the Mavs/other contenders can’t afford him
Without a doubt, squats are a cure for everything.
by bearded thundar on Jul 7, 2011 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Gasol only got 7 bpg which
Isn’t that bad considering he plays beside unkie Zack who had 12.2 this year.
What big man averages more than 10rpg when the other averages over 12?
Worse SB matchup ever!
It did occur to me that he's going to get good rebounding numbers because
nobody else on the team wants to / can rebound. I hope we don’t have a situation where Monroe has good numbers, but we consistently get outrebounded as a team. And when I say “I hope we don’t,” sadly, I mean, “I’m guessing we will.”
Beyond that, I think there’s no question Moose will get better, maybe significantly so. My continuing question about him is whether he can be an elite center — I’m pretty sure he can be an elite power forward. But as of now, the only other center on the team is Ben Wallace, so I’m guessing Greg will see a lot of time at center.
Double double, high FG%, low turnovers - bring them to me
If Greg Monroe can play plus defense he’s going to be an elite big man for a long time.
He isn't a sexy choice?
Here is a list of things that are not sexy about Greg Monroe
1) His name sounds like that of a manager your local hardware store
2) He attended a Catholic University.
3) You all shut up about that and get with the sexy…
4) ………..
Hey, Catholics would be sexy if they didn’t feel so bad about it!
/protestantreppin’
WORD PLAY
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by Biz Markie Moon on Jul 6, 2011 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions
ALL THE PRESBYTERIANS IN THE HOUSE GIMME A HELL YEAH
…for pre-destination…
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
by The Boourns on Jul 6, 2011 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm tempted to vote Cousins or Wall
Purely because imo, Monroe is already an incredibly complete player. There are a few things I would like to see more from him, but that’s just it – I want more of what he’s already doing, not for him to start doing new things.
Wall needs to add a better jumper, drastically improve on his decision making skills and all around stop being AI 2.0 before I would consider it a break out season. Cousins just has to stop being himself lol. He already has the most talent out of anyone in the draft, but he’s a dick to his teammates, terribly inefficient, out of shape, doesn’t listen to the coach and work more on his jumper because he takes so many.
Without a doubt, squats are a cure for everything.
just to clarify
I don’t think Monroe can really break out by my definition. Wall seems more likely than Cousins to drastically improve, so I think he’ll “break out.”
With that being said, I think Moose will have the highest PER, best ws/48, and also best offensive and defensive ratings out of anyone from his draft class.
Without a doubt, squats are a cure for everything.
by bearded thundar on Jul 6, 2011 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Heimer Nailed It
If Knight can figure out how to get him the ball, 20-10 is not out of reach. 20-10 also becomes closer to reality if he can move over to the 4, or play alongside a dominant 4 and he can play the 5, but I doubt that’s happening anytime soon.
In the land of milk and honey you must put them on the table...
I really like Monroe...
and I think he will be much improved. With that being said, I think the most improved will be Cousins. This kid has a ton of talent and with Dalembert going to the Heat (hopefully) he should see starters minutes. If Cousins can keep his head straight and stay out of foul trouble, he will have a big year. (and Jimmer’s shooting will only help him)
In Pat we Trust
"Sorry if everyone thought we were going to go 82-0" - Dwyane Wade
"A nickel ain't worth a dime anymore." - Yogi Berra
a lot of talent and he may increase his minutes per game, but his usage was at 27% last year...
I can’t see him getting a lot more touches than he already got last year. If he’s going to improve and break out, he’ll need to improve his FG% significantly.
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
yeah...FG% and Turnovers were the two areas I mentioned in my other ridiculously long post.
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
yea...
I just read your other post. A lot of good info there pertaining to Cousins among others. gave it a Rec…
In Pat we Trust
"Sorry if everyone thought we were going to go 82-0" - Dwyane Wade
"A nickel ain't worth a dime anymore." - Yogi Berra
thanks pally!
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
I'm going with Turner
But only because “breakout” is one of those nebulous terms that you can define however you want to.
By most counts, Turner didn’t have a good season. In reality, though, he had a pretty nice close to his season which flew under the radar. Assuming the conclusion of the season is a nice projection for where he’ll begin this season, I think he’ll surprise the pundits and thus be labeled as the breakout sophomore.
Greg Monroe, while really under the radar most of the season, did get his name in the press late in the year … so I’m thinking people won’t be as surprised when he plays well next season.
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