SB Nation Detroit Editor's Pick
The Pistons visit the City of Brotherly Love
by The Boourns on Jan 28, 2012 7:03 PM EST
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With the Pistons fighting for every loss, DBB is left without a game thread. So The Boourns, better known for his intentional walk of Prince Fielder in AAA Little League Baseball 18 years ago steps up to ensure a proper forum for buffoonery.
The Pistons (4-16, Last in Central) are taking on one of the more surprising starts in the NBA in the 76ers (13-6, 1st in Atlantic). While the only game I've seen the Sixers play this year was a prior win over the Pistons, I get the feeling that Doug Collins has this team playing "the right way". They feature 8 guys averaging at least 9 points a game, and their scoring leader is their 6th man in Lou Williams.
As a team, they sport an almost 4:1 Assist to Turnover ratio, most of which is driven out of Andre Iguodola and Lou Williams (Holiday leads the team in assists, but also leads the team in turnovers). Iguodola is producing all over the floor with 13 points, 6 boards, and almost 5 assists to go along with 2 steals per game.
Needless to say, the Pistons could have their hands full with the defensive tenacity that the Sixers have played with thus far.
Keys to the Game
Feed the Moose
You wouldn't think Monroe would be bothered too much by either Hawes or Brand, however both are playing spectacular defense with D-Ratings of 91 and 92 respectively. Getting Moose going could ultimately help balance the floor and allow for cutting and driving lanes.
Move the ball from side-to-side!
Pistons aren't going to get easy buckets against the Sixers and they're about to embark on an exhausting schedule with 7 games in 9 days and their first triple header of the season starting on Monday. Moving the ball through crisp passes can keep our young legs a little more fresh rather than depending on isolation and drives to the basket.
Minimize Turnovers
Against a team as defensively gifted as the Sixers have been this year, our only hope for keeping it close is to limit turnovers and play efficient basketball
Questions of the Game
Who will be the scoring threat off the bench tonight? Daye broke out against Miami and then Maxiell against the Hawks...will Jerebko give us the necessary spark to keep it close?
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Tayshaun's back. So at least we got that going for us. :-/
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juuuuuust the two of us, we can make it if we try, just the to of us,
you and I.
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It is sort of crickets in here
This thread was frontpage’d so it should pick up in here.
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Also...with a loss tonight, we could gain half a game on either the bobcats or the Wizarads
since they play each other tonight. I’m hoping for the Wizards…
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I bought it, still don't forgive you.
What the hell kind of editor fails to create a gamethread because of a “small” explosion? Suck it up man. A little shrapnel never hurt anyone.
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As I pointed out in my original thread...
I could really see us giving up really early if we can’t start strong. After last nights OT crusher, we have too many built in excuses to expect a great effort.
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So The Boourns, better known for his intentional walk of Prince Fielder in AAA Little League Baseball 18 years ago steps up to ensure a proper forum for buffoonery.
Wait… what.
"trout jefferson is using multiple numbers and no swears. I barely recognize you man." - Kurt Mensching
by Trout Jefferson on Jan 28, 2012 7:24 PM EST reply actions
Okay so that link didn't work very well.
How exactly do I link to a specific post?
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sHUT YOUR SHINY MOUTH ONIONS!
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detroit free press called me today and asked a few questions...I guess their article will run in tomorrow's edition.
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lol @ being down 18-8 already.
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His family issue has apparently been taken care of.
So he is free to come back and play.
Hooray?
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And he hits his first shot.
That probably a good sign, I guess.
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Make that first *two* shots. Exciting!
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Tay + Daye = TayDaye...Taday...Today.
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Jesus...Lou fucking williams.
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Calderon is on the block...
I’d be willing to try and swing a Calderon + Barbosa for Bynum, Maxiell, and Tayshaun…
Barbosa is expiring and Calderon is expiring next year. It’d be nice to have at least one PG that prefers to pass before he shoots.
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The best part of a pistons game
is the excitement of wondering whether or not we’ll break 70 points!
WE'VE CUT THE LEAD TO 7!!!
That’s almost worth getting excited about.
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DON'T LOOK NOW!
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Knight is looking well...not so good.
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Too be fair, no one on our team looks good at the moment
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I'm already a little hungover.
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shit is insane
so many beers, beads, boobies, by attendance, finally pushing mardi gras, same kind of shit though. slutty pirates rapin’ everybody.
Storming aft cabins and plugging bung holes?
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swabbing poop decks?
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speaking of poops and boobs
fun game we’ve struck up at work…swapping p’s for b’s and b’s for p’s.
I pinched a huge HUGE boob earlier today…
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as you place both hands on the wall in front of you at the urinal, exclaim,
“DIIIIIOS MIO!!!!! MUCHO MEJOR!”
or
“LOOK MOM! NO HANDS!”
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Maxiell showing he's worth his contract...
Let’s put him with CV and Bynum and ship them off to timbuktu!
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Fuck these refs...dude gets accosted on every single drive.
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I wonder if he’s teaching his players how to take a punch?
by garrettelliott on Jan 28, 2012 8:12 PM EST up reply actions
also, anyone wonder whether we should have taken Kemba?
9 points, 8 assists, 1 steal, 1 block, 1 turnover in the first half against the Wizards…
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instead of Knight that is...I would have rather had Markieff more than anyone at this point of the players that were available at 8.
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will kemba average 20-8 per game? doubtful. i think dumars made the right move.
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will Brandon average 20-8 per game?
:-)
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DON'T HATE THE PLAYER HATE THE GAME!
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Tayshaun leaves: 2 good games against 2 good teams
Tayshaun returns: shit on by philly
thats really close to my nickname for him
Tayshaun Prince: The Human Margarine
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Tayshaun Prince: The Human Marginal Role Player that is Paid Too Much
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10 pt migraine?
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Didn't We Go Through This Last Year?
You know, divided clubhouse, vets v. rookies. and didn’t the same shit happen last year too?
I looked at 2 minutes, can’t stand to watch it.
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by V. on Jan 28, 2012 8:56 PM EST up reply actions
HUEY LEWIS AND THE NEWS!
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GLAD TO SEE WE'RE BACK TO OPERATING THE WORST FUCKING OFFENSE I'VE EVER SEEN
WELCOME BACK TAYSHAUN. FUCK IT. I’M LEAVING MY CAPS LOCK ON.
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I HEAR YOU!
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SUPER TRAMP!
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MOOSE. YOU ARE TOO GOOD TO PASS TO ANY OF THESE FOOLS. DUNK IT FROM NOW ON.
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So Knight is basically playing shooting guard? So Walker Russell is our only point guard. Great.
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YEAH BUT CALDERON IS ON THE BLOCK!
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DRAKE FROM UNCHARTED?
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You can’t fool us when it comes to Drake! We all watched Degrassi.
by garrettelliott on Jan 28, 2012 8:34 PM EST up reply actions
NOW I’M A NASAL SELF-CENTERED RAPPER
NOW I’M A NASAL SELF-CENTERED RAPPER
NOW I’M A NASAL SELF-CENTERED RAPPER
NOW I’M A NASAL SELF-CENTERED RAPPER
by Mike Payne on Jan 28, 2012 8:50 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Shouldn't That Be...
NOW I’M A NASAL SELF-CENTERED RAPPER, EH?
When he going on tour and is Canadian Tire going to sponsor it?
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by V. on Jan 28, 2012 8:57 PM EST up reply actions
Canadian Tire does not associate with douches.
by garrettelliott on Jan 28, 2012 8:57 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I don't understand why you're writing the stuff Drake says
That’s Lil Wayne’s job
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by tads on Jan 28, 2012 9:03 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
I grinned, then greened
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Discount Double Choke, 2011 Packers.
I have sex with strippers constantly and my life is terrible. Wah.
WORD PLAY
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by Biz Markie Moon on Jan 29, 2012 2:04 AM EST up reply actions
Oh snap!
Blaha callin’ out my “Situational” commentary baby!
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Philly announcer saying Stuck reminds him of an old friend of his.
Name: Curtis Jackson.
If only he knew.
www.twitter.com/frikshun
WHO THE HELL ARE YOU TO REC SOMEONE?
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I know someone else mentioned it, but I feel like Greg is really suffering from not having JJ next to him in the starting lineup
JJ at least stretched the floor a bit. Moose just hasn’t been getting the efficiency we saw from him early on and I’m starting to think it has everything to do with the Wallace/JJ switch.
JJ also hasn’t been nearly as effective off the bench as he was in the starting lineup…
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Jesus...Lou Fucking Williams.
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Tayshaun Prince is seriously the worst, you guys.
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by heWizard on Jan 28, 2012 8:34 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
This asshole needs to stop calling him "Greg MON-row."
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He's not god damn Jamaican.
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Lawrence frank looked like he watched a bird shit on his car
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by tads on Jan 28, 2012 8:36 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Teach me how to JJ.
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You do not learn JJ.
You are born with it.
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because he's got veteran leadership
read: because his “veteran leadership” teaches players like Austin Daye how to bitch and complain after every play and act like nothing is ever his fault.
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Don't look now - Pistons with only 42 points with 4 minutes to go in the 3rd...
The question could become, will the Pistons break 60…
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I wonder what the record is for most players on a team from the same school that never played with one another
If we get Davis, and say…grabbed Orton as well from Orlando, we’d have 4 Wildcats none of which ever played with one another in Kentucky.
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Fine with me.
Done with the UConn clowns.
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by heWizard on Jan 28, 2012 8:41 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
That might be a record
For the most specific record ever
Iguodala > Prince
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Wait, I thought our offense was centered around Greg Monroe
Apparently they’re going with this whole “clusterfuck of horrid proportions” thing
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Our team features Tayshaun Prince and a bunch of jack-happy guards.
Doesn’t matter how “centered” on Monroe our offense is, he is never going to get as many touches as he needs to run the team.
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Why does every team decide to shoot lights out from 3 against the pistons
its not like they need to
For those of you complaining about Monroe's lack of touches...
he’s got 7 more shot attempts than the next closest on our team so even accounting for the offensive rebounds that led to shots, he’s still likely gotten more total touches than anyone else.
That said, the problem with running the offense through Monroe is that he proceeds to look for people to cut and his teammates just stand there waiting for him to do something.
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He's definitely getting more looks lately
And is routinely hit on post-ups and setting up high screen and rolls. That’s all good. But for every good set up he gets, we waste a possession on Isolayshaun or a jacked 3 from a low shooting %age guard. And, a lot of Monroe’s touches are garbage. Guard panics, Moose gets the ball, 5 seconds on the shot clock: shoot the J? Drive? The play has fallen apart at that point, which isn’t really doing him any favors.
It’s getting better, though. I like how much he touches the ball as of late.
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Got the Philly announcers tonight. Who the heck is that ex-NBA player? He’s turrible.
"With logic he attacks. With statistics he defends."
What does Wayne Brady have to do with this?
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Andre Iguodala
Is now one bebound shy of a triple-double. His sensurgency is off the charts.
by Grant E. on Jan 28, 2012 8:50 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
That’s the coaching influence, methinks!
by garrettelliott on Jan 28, 2012 9:07 PM EST up reply actions
Alright. Ugly f-in game
So… cheering for the Bobcats to beat the Wizards? or vice-versa? Which team has the better chance of winning more games than these Pistons? Lets get some ping-pong balls…
WIZARDS!
Bobcats just grabbed Biyombo…they’d take Drummond over us.
Actually I don’t think it matters, but if the Wizards win then we move up a spot. If the Bobcats win, we stay in the 3rd spot, just 1/2 game behind both teams.
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Daye is looking like his old self tonight
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It's almost like he is himself
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by heWizard on Jan 28, 2012 8:58 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I just looked at the box score for the first time tonight. That was a mistake.
"With logic he attacks. With statistics he defends."
’er ya go, buddy
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by heWizard on Jan 28, 2012 8:59 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Welp
I’m gonna go take a shit.
Later, guys.
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That should earn you about 8 mpg
On this team
by MSUDersh on Jan 28, 2012 9:02 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
THANK FUCKING GOD WE GOT TAYSHAUN BACK
by Mike Payne on Jan 28, 2012 9:01 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
The pistons record.
Its sad that a horrible losing record could be any one of our players shooting stats.
Kriz would have gone for the lips
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"With logic he attacks. With statistics he defends."
who voted for Kobe and Rose for MVP
in back to back seasons.
"With logic he attacks. With statistics he defends."
Here I thought we had to be winning to initiate a 4th Quarter Collapse
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philly is trying to not embarrass the pistons but they wont allow it.
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100 points for free big macs though...
Free food for the Pistons?
I think everyone should be bilateral coordinated.
Langlois just tweeted that Turner checked out with a triple double (barely)
It’s still a triple double, pops. Just like you are still a journalist (barely)
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by heWizard on Jan 28, 2012 9:08 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Ha ha. Right you are.
Andre.
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I could never do his job. Beyond Monroe and Jerebko, there’s just nothing I can even fake be excited about.
"With logic he attacks. With statistics he defends."
I thought and still think he should be the starting PG right now. But yes, I’m probably his biggest skeptic until he proves otherwise.
"With logic he attacks. With statistics he defends."
If they made him go at least half the season before he starts instead of anointing him, what, 10 games into the season, if they took him out of games when he was shooting too much to make a clear example of what is and isn’t appropriate, if they pushed him to actually play point guard primarily to learn the position instead of pushing him to play two positions at once (poorly), well, if they brought him along differently, it make a difference in how good he will fill the role of PG of the future.
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I would understand making this argument for a cross-positional player
but Knight hasn’t been billed as a cross-positional player. Either he is a point guard or he isn’t, and if he isn’t, he’s too small to have value in the NBA. The guy is a poor passer. Has been forever. I don’t understand how “bringing him along differently” could change that.
I was saying the Pistons are bringing him along as if he is valuable as a cross-positional player. If they brought him along differently he might actually evolve into a semi-functional point guard. It sounds like they are mesmerized by his shooting and they plan on measuring his success by the number of rookie of the year votes he gets.
If they didn’t throw minutes at him and instead got him to focus on not turning the ball over, not jacking up shots, and really focus on disrupting opposing point guards defensively, I think he could be an average-above average starting Point Guard despite not being a pass-first point guard. I take it you don’t agree with me here.
He’d kind of have to become a totally different person, but if that was what the organization demanded he’d get there. Instead the organization is letting him do whatever he wants and thus cosigning all the bad habits that he is currently using.
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I was saying the Pistons are bringing him along as if he is valuable as a cross-positional player.
I haven’t seen him playing 2-guard at all. He’s generally in control of the ball when playing, the difference being when Stuckey is on the court with him. I don’t see the team bringing him along as cross-positional, which would be stupid due to his height.
If they brought him along differently he might actually evolve into a semi-functional point guard.
I disagree, pretty vehemently, because you find out who a player is when you give him burn. Knight has had a fantastic opportunity for burn with Stuckey/Bynum out and Detroit needing to call up a D-League player to fill in the rotation at the point. If Knight is a point guard, he has the opportunity to play like one. I don’t understand (and thereby, I don’t agree) with an argument that Knight needs to be managed differently for a chance to become something he has never been statistically.
If they didn’t throw minutes at him and instead got him to focus on not turning the ball over, not jacking up shots, and really focus on disrupting opposing point guards defensively, I think he could be an average-above average starting Point Guard despite not being a pass-first point guard.
How long will it take for any team to teach a player like this to stop being who he is and begin to be someone else? How can any team or coach teach him to stop turning the ball over? To stop jacking up shots? I think you’re giving far too much credit to coaches. Yes, players do evolve and develop their skills. But I’m not following you that Detroit is bringing him along as a cross-positional player and that if they changed his usage somehow, the core issues of his character would change. I’m not buying it.
He’d kind of have to become a totally different person, but if that was what the organization demanded he’d get there.
I’ll reach to our own history as a response. This is what Detroit has always wanted out of Rodney Stuckey, and it has never happened.
How long will it take for any team to teach a player like this to stop being who he is and begin to be someone else? … Yes, players do evolve and develop their skills.
Seems like we have a disagreement on the role coaches and organizations have on players and their development. It sounds like you think players can change and add things to their game at their own discretion, never at the behest of an organization.
This is what Detroit has always wanted out of Rodney Stuckey, and it has never happened.
This isn’t what the Detroit organization wanted from Rodney Stuckey. Rodney Stuckey was anointed point guard of the future from day one in much the same way that Brandon Knight was, hence the whole AI trade. I was hoping that with Brandon Knight they would avoid that, but that isn’t the case, and it will probably have worse results.
I was hoping they would take an approach similar to what they did with Greg Monroe. Kuester did not give Monroe extended minutes until Moose was clear on what he expected (perhaps the only good thing he did as a coach). Greg Monroe wasn’t given more than 28 minutes until his 22nd game last season. Brandon Knight, on the other hand, was given over 28 minutes in just his second game as a Piston (with everyone healthy). He currently averages more MPG than Greg Monroe did all last season, and (and this is really fucking mindblowing) he averages more than the Moose this season as well.
Giving him extended minutes certainly lets you see who he is, and what we’ve seen isn’t pleasant. Giving anybody something they didn’t earn or don’t deserve encourages him to avoid changing bad behaviors, and to feel entitled. The opportunity the organization could have had to push Brandon to immediately get better has been wasted, now we have to wait for him to decide on his own to become a different person (or identify the need to change at all), and I think that neither of us are hopeful for that to happen.
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I get what you're saying, and it's fair enough
But my stance is closer to MP’s. I hated the Knight pick, but because of usage rather than anything about him personally. He’s got his style, and it has always reminded me spot-on of Jason Terry. Jason Terry as a point guard with the Hawks was able to put up nice numbers, but the teams were terrible. When they slid him over to the cross-functional player, he was a key piece of a title team.
While for many players, entitlement may be an issue – it certainly seems to have creeped up in Stuckey. I’m less worried about it with Knight. I think also those frustrations of youngsters not getting any floor time is still fairly fresh for me.
It sounds like you think players can change and add things to their game at their own discretion, never at the behest of an organization.
I’m not saying that an organization or its coaches have zero impact on player development. Of course they do— but I’m arguing that “bringing him along differently” isn’t going to have much impact on his development. IME, the nature of a player is much stronger than the skill of a coaching staff— and it’s bloody rare for an organization to be able to change that player’s nature.
The development of Greg Monroe may stick in people’s minds too much w/r/t this debate. But Monroe is a rare case, and I don’t think Kuester deserves as much credit as he received. Was it Kuester that taught Monroe how to avoid getting his shot blocked while adjusting to NBA competition, or was it Monroe’s basketball IQ at work? This is a largely subjective debate without concrete proof in either direction, but what I’m saying is that I believe the nature of a player is much stronger than the management of a coaching staff.
The opposite of this story is Austin Daye. He has been brought along as slowly as can be, and outside of a bright spot here and there, he’s been shit.
Thing is, so many players are given career-making burn early on— and they capitalize on it. Look at the other rookie point guards in the league this year. Kyrie Irving has started all 18 games this season and he’s been a phenomenal player. Ricky Rubio came off the bench for just a few more games than Knight, and he’s been phenomenal this season.
In short, a player’s nature is a lot stronger than the whims of a coaching staff (IME), and w/r/t the “bringing him along slowly” debate, it is precisely this type of situation in which good players thrive.
by Mike Payne on Jan 29, 2012 8:58 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I think we just have different epinions on this. I think if people have motivation to change, receive constant feedback on how they are changing, and an opportunity for them to make a change. (I guess I should by profession if I’m a teacher, right?) Brandon Knight seems to have no real motivation to change, and he is making too many mistakes right now to receive meaningful feedback on the habits he needs to correct, and not enough practice to really workon correcting them. This is subjective so I’ll just leave it at that.
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I’ll agree with you tads.
I’m holding off complete judgement on Knight, because I hope that we’ll see the changes and improvements at some point this season. Be it by him demanding better of himself or the coaches figuring out how to properly teach, use, and motivate him as a player. There are plenty of variables for this kid.
But, as it stands right now, I’m still thinking it was a poor pick for the Pistons.
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by JumpingBlob on Jan 29, 2012 12:38 PM EST up reply actions
He currently averages more MPG than Greg Monroe did all last season, and (and this is really fucking mindblowing) he averages more than the Moose this season as well.
Monroe has been in foul trouble in a handful of games and, even with that, the difference is less than a minute.
C'mon, Mike...
He’s 19. He hasn’t even been to a proper training camp.
“I disagree, pretty vehemently, because you find out who a player is when you give him burn. Knight has had a fantastic opportunity for burn with Stuckey/Bynum out and Detroit needing to call up a D-League player to fill in the rotation at the point. If Knight is a point guard, he has the opportunity to play like one. " (Wish I knew how to box.)
I have no clue as to whether or not Knight could be a good or even great point guard. But the fact that the team didn’t feel completely comfortable relying on a guy so young and inexperienced to take unchallenged range of the offense, tells us nothing.
Also, the two things that we keep hearing about Knight is that he was an academic star in high school and that he is looking like possibly the hardest worker on the team. The latter matters and I tend to think that the former might, too. If you are looking for someone to undergo a difficult transition, wouldn’t you at least consider a very sharp, very hard working guy a plausible candidate.
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by MrHappyMushroom on Jan 29, 2012 7:28 AM EST up reply actions
Sure, those things matter
But the point is that what Knight’s good, what comes naturally to him, these things are relatively apparent. Even young, inexperienced players, it’s clear at the spots they excel and what parts of their game they’re going to need to develop in order to be effective.
Knight has some very impressive natural abilities. But these don’t include those aspects that are essential to running the point – the abilities he’s shown are better suited to the two. We’re running into the same situation as we did with Stuckey.
Regardless of how good of a young man he is, this is a guy who doesn’t come to the position with the natural abilities to do the job, but leadership bull-headedly sticking him there anyways. It sets the player and the team up for failure.
C’mon, Mike… He’s 19. He hasn’t even been to a proper training camp.
I understand that he missed out on something most rookies go through— and so did Kyrie Irving. My argument here isn’t that Brandon Knight is shitty, it’s that I do not believe that “bringing him along differently” could have a meaningful impact on his nature as a player, nor would it have a significant impact on his habits.
I'm going to expand a bit on this
Cause I think me and MP are pretty much of the same mindset when it comes to Knight.
A tiger doesn’t change his stripes. And if leadership wants a tiger to be a lemur, he’s gonna be a red panda. Even though tigers share some traits with lemurs, like being able to see well at night (I’m assuming, since he’s a cat) and climbing trees and stuff, no amount of education and training is going to make that tiger a lemur. And it’s unfair to the tiger to tell him he’s got to go out there and be a lemur – he’s being set up to fail. You’ve got to put a tiger in his best position to use his talents to his advantage: running around killing shit, stuff like that.
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by V. on Jan 29, 2012 1:37 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t know. I only see what he does in games. To me, he shoots way too much, and a large chunk of his shots are bad ones. And for every good pass he makes, he makes two that are terrible.
I don’t know what coaches can do about that, other than pull him and scour the game film with him. They don’t do the former, but they don’t have an option, and I don’t know if they do the latter.
Honestly, I think that’s just the player he is. Over time, he’ll probably develop some better shot selection and probably eliminate some of his bad passes. But IMHO, that’s something he’ll either learn from experience or he won’t.
"With logic he attacks. With statistics he defends."
if I was Detroit’s GM, I would try to package Knight with another player for another first round pick this season or at least some manner of talent in return. And by talent, I’m not asking for a lot.
Yeah...
How about Knight + Daye + Tayshaun for Kaman + New Orleans worse pick from their two 1st rounders in the 2012 draft?
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I wouldn't.
Although I’m not a huge fan of Brandon and Austin (if for no other reason than that horrible pun), they can be useful. I’d rather see Tayshaun wither away on the bench than have to give up two very young players that are legitimately talented.
that second 1st rounder is still a lottery pick, and in this lottery that range will still have a lot of value… (doubt NOLA would touch tay’s contract though, especially with Ariza on board)
Also becuase
They’re not run by JOD
by Other Matt on Jan 29, 2012 9:28 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Right, understood
But my preference would be to load up on as many sub-24 year olds as possible, giving away as few as possible. It’s always a crap shoot as to who will rise from the crop. That pick in this lottery will certainly have a lot of value. I just consider that for a team needing to rebuild, young players with talent have a larger amount of value.
On that note, the other day the Rockets declined options on Flynn, Williams, and Thabeet – they’ll all be free agents after the season and all of them 24 years old or younger. I’d want all three. Flynn and Thabeet may very well be terrible, Williams may very well be a headcase, but I’d sure like to find out.
You may be right.
I’m still holding out for the following (again, because there’s no other option):
—He definitely has natural talent
—He can shoot from long distance
—Academic smarts may be irrelevant, but he’s apparently pretty brilliant. (I failed my only AP test and I am smrt.) Smart and studious could possibly allow him to be the sort who learns exactly what his strengths are and search for ways to improve on the weaknesses. In short, the biggest problems seem to be with his decision making and smart, studious people seem more likely to improving their decision making
—All accounts are that he is a dedicated worker
It’s been an uneven first half of a season. But let’s say he ends up being a Stuckey-level producer. That’s good. If he ends up being Stuckey-good with a three point shot, I’ll take that.
Or maybe he’s not even Stuckey level. But I’ll bet you 10 kyats* that he ends up being a good pick.
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by MrHappyMushroom on Jan 28, 2012 9:30 PM EST up reply actions
You know who else is smart and studious? MOOSE THAT’S WHO.
by garrettelliott on Jan 28, 2012 9:32 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Or maybe he’s not even Stuckey level. But I’ll bet you 10 kyats* that he ends up being a good pick.
Depending on how we’re measuring “good,” this looks like a winning bet for me.
When I went back and watched Knight tape after we drafted him, my first thought was, “I hope he can become as effective a player as Rodney Stuckey.”
To me, that’s his ceiling — approximation of Stuckey’s overall production, except that he’s a better three point shooter and worse at drawing fouls.
"With logic he attacks. With statistics he defends."
It’s apparent that the two are pretty much equals in terms of seeing the court and making actual point guard plays. I hope that he can use his AP smarts to learn how to make the offense, and perhaps in time he will be better than Stuckey in this light. There is definitely some parts of pass-first point guard play that is as instinctual as a big man’s desire for contact. Knight doesn’t seem to have that, and perhaps never will.
tl;dr Knight is a better shooting version of Stuckey
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It’s apparent that the two are pretty much equals in terms of seeing the court and making actual point guard plays.
Not sure how this is at all apparent, Knight sports one of the worst assist rates in the game, and it’s lower than his turnover rate. This has never been the case for Stuckey, who is not even remotely a natural point guard.
Just so I’m not taken out of context, I’m not shitting on Brandon Knight here, I’m just pointing at the numbers, because it doesn’t seem like everyone is looking at them.
Brandon Knight Numbers
For the people MFMP is referring to, numbers can be found here: statsheet.com/mcb/players/player/kentucky/brandon-knight
I like the tempo free stats because I think it gives a much more accurate picture of a player’s value and usage. Also, don’t click the link if you don’t want to be sad. The cool thing about statsheet is that you can compare players. Say you want to see how Knight stacks up against other Calipari point guards, just hit the comparison feature.
Those are his college numbers
In college his assist rate was higher than his turnover rate, albeit not by a whole lot. I think MFMP is referring to his NBA numbers through 21 games where that is not the case.
Yeah, I know
I’ve been with Gulks in the anti-Knight camp based on the college numbers. I will beat this drum (intermittently) until either most people agree OR I’m so wrong someone hits me in the head with said drum.
there are a couple discussions going on here, I think
One seems to be whether or not his stats in a vacuum right now would suggest he’s good (they don’t), which was a tangent from brgulker’s comment about there being nothing about his game to be (even fake) excited about.
I think the 20 year old has displayed enough (intermittently) through 21 games to warrant some level of intrigue. Trading him away at this point for a guy people hate and a PTBNL could be that thing that beats you in the head down the road. In my opinion, it’s far too early to completely write him off. I don’t know how you feel, but brgulker’s anti-Knight camp consists of rooting for Knight to suck so he can be right. I don’t agree with that approach nor do I agree that there’s nothing about him to be hopeful for, and you continually linking his college stats, especially at this point when we have growing NBA data to go off of, won’t change that.
To put some context to MFGulks words, and to add my $0.02 let’s start with something I think everyone is in agreement with: Knight has shown flashes of being a good NBA player. Subjectively, IME he has looked better now in the NBA then he did in college.
And the stats haven’t been pretty, but he’s young and maybe he’ll improve. Here’s the problem; nobody, not Jod, not Lawrence Frank, not even Knight himself, knows if he will improve enough to become an above average NBA player.
There’s no way to be 100% sure about any player, but there are better ways to build a contending team than Jod’s method of crossing his fingers and smiling like he knows something nobody else knows.
This is why I can understand a little bit of teeth grinding when it comes to Knight. If he improves, even if his ultimate production settles at being roughly league average (like Stuckey), the likely reaction from the Jod regime will be to loudly declare victory, re-sign Knight for more than he’s worth, and draft another player who is a similar coin flip.
Not to put words in Gulks mouth, but I’m pretty sure this dynamic is what he is fed up with.
Wall of Text Below, but on the record
For some additional context, I write lots of comments here. I don’t always think them through. Sometimes, I’m just venting.
This is the second time BP’s linked to that comment I made. I’m going to assume that it’s bugging you, brother BP, or you wouldn’t have quoted it twice.
First, let me apologize if it offended you (or anyone else). That’s never my intent.
Second, let me say that the comment above was certainly me just going stream of consciousness, not really thinking it through.
In the wall of text below, let me go on record with what I think with regards to “Dumars failing” in a thought out manner, that hopefully makes some sense.
When one evaluates (in particular, young) talent the way Dumars does, you’re bound to get it right sometimes.
I’ll use an analogy.
It doesn’t take a great basketball mind (dare I say, acumen?) to tell that LeBron James is an excellent basketball player. It doesn’t take a great basketball mind to tell that Michael Jordan is the best Shooting Guard of all time, and probably one of the greatest overall players of all time.
We don’t need stats or any other sort of help to figure this out. It’s as obvious as the noses on our faces.
What does take some hard work and some pretty detailed analysis is to pick out the players that Ty over at Courtside Analyst calls “fool’s gold,” such as Melo, post-injury Amare, and Allen Iverson.
It is not obvious to the eyballs that those players aren’t on the same level as the LBJ’s, the MJ’s, etc. To the eye, they look every bit as talented, flashy, impressive. We ooh and ahh (rightfully so) at their smooth crossovers, ability to rise above the double team, split the trap off the dribble, and on and on.
But at the end of the day, a team led by LBJ and Wade, e.g., is going to be significantly better than a team led by Melo and Amare.
I honestly don’t believe Joe Dumars would have been able to predict that, but the numbers I trust have done so beautifully. (Again, this isn’t about me being right. I didn’t come up with those numbers. I’m just lucky enough to tag along with those who did)
Bringing it back to Dumars and the Pistons…
I don’t think the Going to Work team was pure luck, but I do think luck was involved (as I’ve explained a little bit before). I think Dumars saw value in Big Ben and Chauncey, for example, but did he see the dominance they eventually became?
I’m skeptical. I think he just eyeballed a couple guys who could be useful and grabbed them when the opportunity presented itself.
As it turns out, they were actually great players, and Big Ben is arguably one of the all-time greats at his position (I’ll take flack for that, and would welcome a hearty debate about that, too). We all know that Dumars let him walk, and the team never really did recover all the way — I think that’s further support that Dumars didn’t fully appreciate Ben’s value.
Fast forward to 2008-2009, and Dumars trades for AI. I take Joe at his word when he said he thought AI would help. I sincerely believe he thought AI was the type of piece the Pistons needed to be propelled back to relevance. I don’t think it was about the cap space initially. The Hamilton extension supports this hypothesis. He wanted that core locked up for another run or two.
When it didn’t work out, fortunately, he cut his losses — but then he immediately doubled down and made it worse (BG, CV). I can’t find the comments now, but when I suggested that the team Dumars assembled that summer would struggle to get to 30 wins, I literally got laughed at (the comment I’m looking for said something to the effect of, “I’d bet everything I own we’ll easily win 30+” or something to that effect.)
Anyways, rambling, rambling…
The point is that Dumars methodology is just as likely to produce a BG/CV scenario as it is a Big Ben/Billups scenario.
In other words, it seems very likely to me that if this franchise continues to put bet the farm on Dumars’ eyeballs, we’re just as likely to get a Summers instead of a Blair, for example, or a second teal era immediately on the heels of a Going to Work era.
And this is what led me to make the “I hope Dumars fails” comment. I’m not cheering against Dumars in a spiteful, hateful way. In fact, I hope he remains part of the organization, just as more a figurehead, relationship-building role as opposed to a personnel deciding role.
And I’m certainly not cheering against him just so that I can puff up my chest and say, I told you so (although, admittedly, being right has the satisfaction of being right).
No, what I really want to see is for my beloved Pistons franchise to start back on the path to winning, and I sincerely believe that in order to do this change needs to happen at the highest levels of personnel management. And I just don’t see Gores firing or moving a legend like Dumars without significant justification.
Anywhoo, that’s me attempting to be thoughtful about a response. Hope it clears up where I’m coming from.
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by brgulker on Jan 30, 2012 10:19 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I hear ya. And Gabe helped me understand it a little better, too. The last time I linked back to it, I didn’t get a response other than you saying I took it out of context. I asked how and I think the thread got buried, so I never saw a response.
Anyway, I think Knight does warrant some level of hope or excitement from Pistons fans and so when you said you couldn’t even fake be excited about him, I thought, keeping in mind what you were on the record saying before (which you’ve cleared up now), that you were being a little unfair. I guess I wanted to point that out in a trolly way without being overly trolly and, really, I just wasn’t clear at all, so I’m sorry if I rubbed you the wrong way. I think we’ve exhausted words on this, though. Let’s go grab some ice cream together sometime.
quick aside on this:
just as likely to get a Summers instead of a Blair
The funny thing about that weird pick is, in my opinion, Blair passed the eyeball test more so than Summers, too. I was very concerned about Blair’s knee problems, which is why I understood passing up on him in the 1st round, but I thought for sure they would’ve taken him with that 2nd round pick
That's not fair, brother Packey.
I don’t know how you feel, but brgulker’s anti-Knight camp consists of rooting for Knight to suck so he can be right.
It’s not about me being right.
My sincere belief is that the only way we will see a change in management (i.e., Joe Dumars) is for this collection of players to continue on the path they’re on now. This team, if it continues playing the way it has, will be the worst Pistons team in history.
I don’t take any pleasure in that. Do I feel somewhat vindicated after taking so much shit for being down on Knight, Gordon, CV, etc? A little bit, sure.
But that’s not really the issue for me. I don’t want my team to suck. In case it isn’t obvious, I really do care a lot about this team, more than I probably should, and I don’t see a way out of this mess without some serious change.
Yes, I do want this plan of Jod’s to fail at times (and I felt that way when I wrote the comment above), but it’s not about my self-importance. In a weird way, it’s my way of hoping for something better. If this approach to managing basketball fails miserably, maybe we’ll see the change we desperately need as a result.
"With logic he attacks. With statistics he defends."
I know you care
, I really do care a lot about this team, more than I probably should,
If you ever read one of my responses to you and think I’m suggesting you don’t care, then please please please tell me so I can clear it up because that’s never my intent. Shit, you’re one of the die-hardest fans I know.. In fact, some might argue you care more considering the lengths you’re willing to go to get this team fixed and winning again (like firing a guy I’m probably unreasonably sentimental about because of how much he personifies the only Pistons I’ve known really … I realize now his leash should be the shortest ever, and leading him to behind the shed, but I was probably the last person on that wagon, and I’m still not even sure of myself … by that, I mean I now know it’s probably best for the team, but his continual, no, continuous?, incompetence has turned my Pistons world upside down and has left me with a lot of conflicting feelings these past 3-4 years). Either way, it’s merely a difference of approach and opinion and we disagree on some grounds there. It’s never anything personal or an attack on your fandom.
Personally, I’d establish with Knight that his only role on this team is to get everyone else involved and maximize the talents of the other 4 guys on the floor.
He is only allowed to take shots when he is wide open or when the shot clock dictates that he must shoot. I’d be content if he didn’t average more than 10 attempts per game this season.
Assists first, points second, should always be the mantra of the point gaurd. Though it always seems to be forgotten.
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by JumpingBlob on Jan 29, 2012 12:45 PM EST up reply actions
They don't really have any choice to bring him around differently.
Also, here’s the depressing statistic of the game:
Salary of players who played tonight: $35.3M
Salary of players who didn’t play tonight: $30.8M
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And for the last two games, then
it would have been
$28 million played
$38 million not played
Gores must have his ether rag rapped tightly around his face by now.
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by MrHappyMushroom on Jan 28, 2012 9:32 PM EST up reply actions
he is shooting 41% from the field and turning the ball over more than he is registering assists. but what’s not to love?
doesn't work
we only send players to Denver once they have exhibited an above average level of production. Knight has a long way to go before he’s Denver-worthy.
Knight's over 42%
And more assists than turnovers. (Not by a whole lot, though it’s been 44-25 on the positive side over the past ten games.)
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by MrHappyMushroom on Jan 28, 2012 9:41 PM EST up reply actions
no, Knight is shooting 41%
I added tonight’s game to his totals, which won’t be represented in the bbr/espn stats until tomorrow. I don’t play ’round like that!
And more assists than turnovers.
You’re right here, and I am wrong. I was looking at assist % vs. turnover %, and apparently didn’t read it right, his assist rate is barely higher than his turnover rate.
Correct.
Down to 41.4%.
You’re right that the Asst:TO rate ain’t great. But it has been considerably better over the past ten games.
But, Mike—let’s find common ground:
Fuck Tom!
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by MrHappyMushroom on Jan 29, 2012 7:38 AM EST up reply actions
I can't believe that in 7th grade
I camped out for hours at Ticketmaster to see him open for MC Hammer at the Palace (En Vogue there too, but nobody cared).
Best part of the night was when Spider Salley & the Worm got onstage, in their parachute pants, and helped Hammer raise the roof with “You Can’t Touch This.”
by MSUDersh on Jan 28, 2012 9:15 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
So Sixers fan here.... just asking a question.
so I heard you guy are 8.5 mil over the cap. Who do you see leaving next year?
I think everyone should be bilateral coordinated.
the rest of the fans
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by dandresden on Jan 28, 2012 9:15 PM EST up reply actions 17 recs
Can't stop laughing.
I’m making this my new signature.
I think everyone should be bilateral coordinated.
Best username?
So Sixers fan here.... just asking a question.
so I heard you guy are 8.5 mil over the cap. Who do you see leaving next year?
by BIBTD on Jan 28, 2012 6:14 PM PST reply actions
the rest of the fans
follow me on twitter: @danieldresden
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dude
when you create a new account with a creative funny new nickname, don’t log in with your old account to laud your new account. This isn’t the federal building, is it?
(and FYI, I’m saying this because the “i like sex” and “bibtd” accounts share the same unique IP address)
by Mike Payne on Jan 29, 2012 1:05 AM EST up reply actions 6 recs
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by V. on Jan 29, 2012 1:42 PM EST up reply actions
So you came on DBB to ask if your new psuedo handle is the best username?
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So Sixers fan here.... just asking a question.
so I heard you guy are 8.5 mil over the cap. Who do you see leaving next year?
by BIBTD on Jan 28, 2012 6:14 PM PST reply actions
the rest of the fans
follow me on twitter: @danieldresden
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I was trying to make you guys laugh.
Plus college shares similar IP address.
So Sixers fan here.... just asking a question.
so I heard you guy are 8.5 mil over the cap. Who do you see leaving next year?
by BIBTD on Jan 28, 2012 6:14 PM PST reply actions
the rest of the fans
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Well I can't fault you for that I guess. That's really all I do when I come here.
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Maybe that's what he wants
He really wants to hurt you. He really wants to make you cry.
Fire Joe Dumars
if it were up to us
Joe Dumars. Because as it stands, no one will be leaving next year. Our roster has been without sound management for, what, five years now?
Question: Does anyone have any experience with Digital SLR photography and more specifically the underwater bags/cases that can house them?
I’m looking at a bag by a brand called “Bingo” but it only has one review on Amazon. I don’t want to risk buying one that could end up not being that great.
Anyone have any guidance they can provide? Here’s the amazon link…
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There’s a wide range of sizes/price ranges to the cameras listed as being compatible with that case.
I’ve got some experience (more on the film/video side, but it’s basically the same) and I would be hesitant to put a DSLR underwater in that case. If you’re not too picky about absolute top notch picture quality and aren’t planning on taking it super deep I’d recommend just buying an inexpensive P&S underwater camera. Olympus and Panasonic make a couple in the $150 range and they’re supposed to be pretty good. If you have a fancy DSLR and want to use it deep underwater, the solid housings are going to be expensive.
Well so I'm not actually planning on taking it underwater at all...
We’ll be in Hawaii and likely doing a river kayaking trip, going hiking, etc. I don’t want to risk taking it in a kayak or on a boat without an airtight bag of some kind. As for actually taking it under water, I wouldn’t dare do it regardless of how many times I test the seal on the bag.
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by The Boourns on Jan 29, 2012 12:43 AM EST up reply actions
might want to invest in a GoPro
I own two DSLR bodies and I couldn’t ever see myself taking them over the water. I do know a few people who kayak with GoPros and their finished product is stunning. Those things are (I think) water resistant out of the box, and they can capture stills. If your goal is stills alone, maybe get a cheap entry level DSLR (cheap DSLRs are totally awesome and they give you nearly everything you need functionally, higher end DSLRs don’t offer a huge upside comparatively), one that you won’t worry about destroying if it falls in the water.
And if you’re taking it on the river, here’s some sage advice: if you buy a waterproof’d bag, put your electronics items in individually sealed plastic bags. Zip lok bags are fine. Put your dslr in its own large, sealed bag, put extra lenses in others, put your phone in another, your remote car keys in another. I was once on a kayak trip in a tandem kayak and we couldn’t swing around a tree with needles on it before hitting it. We hit the tree, it perforated our plastic bag carrying all of our shit, and then our boat tipped from the rush of the water. That sucked. in short, if you’re going to try a waterproof bag, opt for two layers of defense and wrap your naughty bits individually.
Ah if the goal isn’t to get some underwater shots but to stay dry in a kayak then I’d say something simple like this should be fine. And to second MFMP, I’ve seen some amazing things done with GoPro’s and I think I remember at least one model being fully waterproof.
If you’ll be in Hawaii, I bet they have a million places where you can either buy or rent water resistant cases or underwater cameras. I’d go the underwater P&S route myself just because it will be cumbersome to have a DSLR bouncing around with you.
by garrettelliott on Jan 29, 2012 9:53 AM EST up reply actions
Thanks for the feedback everyone, I knew there were some photo experts around.
I’ll probably go the waterproof bag that you just posted Gabe. I don’t know that we’ll end up spending more on a cheaper waterproof camera but we’ll see. All depends on what we get for cash from the wedding. Beth’s Mom got us a Nikon D3100 for Xmas with a 50-200mm lens as well (I think thats it…its the long one…lol) so we’re looking forward to using it as much as possible on our honeymoon. I think it probably makes sense to just not bring it along for the river kayak trip. That said, this thing looks pretty sweet, and could actually work fucking sweetly for the zipline course we’re going to do. Head mount it for the ziplines and capture some crazy fly by footage.
I may just have to buy it…
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PROGRESS
we lost the first game this 96-73.
by Packey on Jan 28, 2012 9:14 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
I wouldn’t happy about that especially against Tony Battie, and Lavoy Allen.
I think everyone should be bilateral coordinated.
Rec'd for bitchiness! ;-)
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by MrHappyMushroom on Jan 28, 2012 9:34 PM EST up reply actions
It must suck to be Ryan Field nowadays
interviewing the guy from the other team night after night
by Rusty_Shackleford on Jan 28, 2012 9:22 PM EST reply actions
I Was Thinking
Ryan getting too old to be a pretty boy…that must suck more than anything.
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by V. on Jan 28, 2012 9:22 PM EST up reply actions
That’s because he killed Eli Zaret, ate his heart and drank his blood as part of a ritual sacrifice to Jod Satan.
Stuckey in 17 games played...
Miami 3-5
Houston 6-11
Portland 8-15
All the rest below 50% shooting. And more than half of them below 40%.
That’s just awful. So awful. How can he be so awful.
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by MrHappyMushroom on Jan 28, 2012 9:36 PM EST reply actions
Would someone
explain to me why exactly the fuck Jonas played less than ten minutes? A fraction of Prince and Russell and fewer than Wilkins?
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by MrHappyMushroom on Jan 28, 2012 9:43 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
This is the shit I come home to?
Hey, Joe
Fire Joe Dumars
by Kriz on Jan 28, 2012 11:20 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
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