Night of Pistons: Detroit 89, Orlando 78
by Packey on Jan 3, 2012 12:37 AM EST
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PrintDwight How U? The Pistons did just fine against the trade demanding big man who calls himself 'Superman.'
Dwight Howard (19 points, seven rebounds, and five steals) fouled out in just under 40 minutes and was outrebounded by each of the two rare frontcourt dominators for the Pistons, Greg Monroe (in 23 minutes) and Jonas Jerebko. By keeping D12 in check, holding the Magic three-point shooters to a modest 8-of-22 night, and shooting well themselves, Detroit put themselves in good position to pick up their second straight win of the season.
After getting beat sore on the boards in the first two games (53-40 and 40-26, respectively), the Pistons have outrebounded their opponents in three straight games. Tonight, they grabbed 39 rebounds to the Magic's 28, thanks in part to Monroe and Jerebko's combined 20.
The two sophomores added 16 points on 16 shots on the offensive side of things. Ben Gordon was the scoring leader, though, finishing with 26 points on 15 shots and also a team-high six assists (and five turnovers).
Detroit shot 50-percent, attempted 12 more freebies than the Magic, and had the overall much cooler game. More coolness after the jump:
- When Greg Monroe was whistled for a couple phantom fouls early in the first quarter, Jason Maxiell and Ben Wallace were summoned to handle Howard. Maxiell played 16 minutes, shot 3-of-4, had two rebounds, a steal, and a block. Wallace played 20 minutes, had five rebounds, five steals (!), and a block. Without these two, who were a big reason why the Pistons dominated the Magic in the past, the Pistons don't win tonight.
- From Langlois' recap:
- Brandon Knight's three assists were wiped out by his turnovers, but he finished with eight points on 4-of-7 shooting.
- Stuckey only hit two shots from the field, but did get to the line 13 times (and hit 10 of those). He finished with 14 points, four assists (two turnovers), and two steals.
- Magic were averaging 97.8 points per game before tonight (or "a hundo" according to Matt Shepard). After five games, the Pistons are 9th in the NBA in points against.
- What comes with outrebounding opponents, typically comes outscoring in the paint. From PistonPowered's recap:
- Magic scored under 20 in three of four quarters and were held to 32 points in the second half. Magic were 5-of-17 with four turnovers in the final quarter.
- Austin Daye and Charlie Villanueva played less than a minute combined (49 seconds to be exact). Their trade values have never been lower. Also from the Langlois recap:
- Box score
- Pistons (2-3) take on the Bulls (4-1) at The Palace on Wednesday.
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"To me, what changed the game was Jason Maxiell and Ben Wallace," [Lawrence] Frank said. "They brought a ruggedness to us, a toughness, a physical inside presence. Those guys – their intensity was great. I really feel between Jason Maxiell and Ben, those guys were really instrumental tonight."
One of Frank’s tenets he’s preached to the team has been protecting the paint on defense and owning it on offense. Against Orlando, they out-scored Orlando 34-30 in the paint. They out-scored Indiana 48-40 in the paint. They out-scored Boston 38-32 in the paint.
Frank, understandably, won’t talk about the reasons why a player isn’t playing. But he’s repeatedly said that performance – including practice performance – will matter most.
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Man...Thanks For Adding Me
Showing up long after the game had ended and all.
I read all the comments, made me feel i was not only at the game but watching/listening to the televised version at the same time.
Also, you guys aren’t nearly as entertaining after a win as you are after a loss, but I’ll take the W every time.
This is DBB, and this is what we do.
I dunno… I thought he was a bit inefficient tonight. That’s a lot of attempts for very few recs.
by garrettelliott on Jan 3, 2012 1:13 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
TDP, Supa Dupe and dandresden are always high per minute producers. That Garrett Elliott guy though… too many double consonants.
by Mike Payne on Jan 3, 2012 1:19 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Thanks buddy.
My doctor has advised me to no longer do squats so I must rely on my upper body strength (read: brain).
All the time relaxed.
so awesome
just saw on nba.com that we won I’m so stoked!!
From V Goodwill's Game Report
Talking about Howard:
As a whole, they bothered Howard, fouled him and went at him on the offensive end. He had a running exchange with a fan in the front row that got on him about missing free throws. He complained to the refs — and even to coach Lawrence Frank about the treatment.
Let me get this straight…you call yourself Superman and you bitch like a little girl when things don’t go your way?
As for the heckler…is Leon the Barber still around? Dude should be in the HoF of heckling.
This is DBB, and this is what we do.
Why would he complain to Frank? “Hey, coach, can you tell your guys to stop fouling so I can score a lot of points down low? Thanks.” I hope we play this tough every game. I want us to start intimidating again.
by garrettelliott on Jan 3, 2012 1:15 AM EST up reply actions
Absolutely.
This is what I was thinking, too. How do you expect the coach to control the fans? This isn’t high school basketball where you can threaten the students’ section with suspensions.
I mentioned this in the game thread: Dwight’s personality may make him marketable, but it won’t win him a championship if he’s “the guy”. Grow a set and fight back, or shut up and play.
All the time relaxed.
Nice recap as always Pack
rec’d and enjoy’d :)
by Mike Payne on Jan 3, 2012 1:24 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
hey hold on there pal!
don’t David Carradine yourself without a spotter!
by Mike Payne on Jan 3, 2012 1:54 AM EST up reply actions 4 recs
That Happened In Bangkok
..it only looked like suicide. Trust me :).
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by V. on Jan 3, 2012 1:56 AM EST up reply actions
that brandon knight rebound/jump stop/lay up was nice. just caught it.
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by dandresden on Jan 3, 2012 1:32 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
How did you do it?!
"Fuck this shit. Is this fucking season over yet? It is? Jesus H. motherfucking Christ on a stick! Get Nick Holt on the phone NOW! Stupid motherfucker forces us to score touchdowns on every possession, and we still can't win the Alamo Bowl? Hey, asshole! It's Steve Sarkisian. You're fucking FIRED, you FUCK!"
just wait til the next time we battle the cavs
it will finally be decided who is truly mediocre!
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WWWWWWWHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAATTTTTTTTTT
Cavs aren’t that mediocre anymore! Look! They’re the 9th seed! They’re ahead of Boston! They’re .500! Both of their wins were by double digits! Give credit where credit is due!
"Fuck this shit. Is this fucking season over yet? It is? Jesus H. motherfucking Christ on a stick! Get Nick Holt on the phone NOW! Stupid motherfucker forces us to score touchdowns on every possession, and we still can't win the Alamo Bowl? Hey, asshole! It's Steve Sarkisian. You're fucking FIRED, you FUCK!"
Congrats to Michigan State, by the way
"Fuck this shit. Is this fucking season over yet? It is? Jesus H. motherfucking Christ on a stick! Get Nick Holt on the phone NOW! Stupid motherfucker forces us to score touchdowns on every possession, and we still can't win the Alamo Bowl? Hey, asshole! It's Steve Sarkisian. You're fucking FIRED, you FUCK!"
by WaveOcean on Jan 3, 2012 3:16 AM EST up reply actions 5 recs
+1
That was the most nerve-wracking game ever for me. I couldn’t deal with 6 bowl losses in a row or however many it would have been. Seniors definitely deserved that win for all they’ve done for us, turning the program around.
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by Reno09 on Jan 3, 2012 11:43 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
For the last time, WaveOcean
I’m not just going to give you my chili recipe.
I wrote a book about time travel. Buy it and/or die. http://www.thetimetravelguide.com
I made chili tonight, finished up during the first half, using a recipe from the new Cook’s Illustrated cookbook, and it was MFing awesome. MFing. Awesome.
Is that so?
Are you gonna be dressed like this for the cook-off?
http://phelan.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/tlr2_05.jpg (Look behind you before clicking)
"Fuck this shit. Is this fucking season over yet? It is? Jesus H. motherfucking Christ on a stick! Get Nick Holt on the phone NOW! Stupid motherfucker forces us to score touchdowns on every possession, and we still can't win the Alamo Bowl? Hey, asshole! It's Steve Sarkisian. You're fucking FIRED, you FUCK!"
nope
I’ve always made it a point to never dress like stairs. That’s what you were talking about, right?
yeeeeahhhhhh boyyyyyyyyyy
"Fuck this shit. Is this fucking season over yet? It is? Jesus H. motherfucking Christ on a stick! Get Nick Holt on the phone NOW! Stupid motherfucker forces us to score touchdowns on every possession, and we still can't win the Alamo Bowl? Hey, asshole! It's Steve Sarkisian. You're fucking FIRED, you FUCK!"
It was worth a try
"Fuck this shit. Is this fucking season over yet? It is? Jesus H. motherfucking Christ on a stick! Get Nick Holt on the phone NOW! Stupid motherfucker forces us to score touchdowns on every possession, and we still can't win the Alamo Bowl? Hey, asshole! It's Steve Sarkisian. You're fucking FIRED, you FUCK!"
Glad BG's finally shown up
Now would it be all right to amnesty Charlie? Maybe the head honchos were just waiting to see what we actually had.
We have our man. It's Stafford. It's Suh. It's Calvin. It's Delmas. What we need is Man Number Two to stand up.
by halfbackattack33 on Jan 3, 2012 1:54 AM EST reply actions
yea i'd be happy with amnestying charlie or if we can trade him for something why not.
either way, I doubt he’ll work on this team.
especially if jonas can keep hitting his 3's
b/c if he’s doing that what at all does CV bring to the table that JJ doesn’t?
Isn't it too late to amnesty this year?
At least that’s what I was told. BG is making a shit ton of money but if he keeps this up he’d be earning it in my book. I’m all for CV getting a minute or two each game, he’s completely useless out there. We should have amnestied him and if we still can, then we have to do it now. You can’t just pay someone 7.5 mil or whatever he’s making right now to sit on the bench.
Those who believe in telekinetics, raise my hand - Kurt Vonnegut
I'm pretty sure they said they plan on using it over the summer
The intention being to light a fire under people’s asses
Without a doubt, squats are a cure for everything.
by bearded thundar on Jan 3, 2012 11:37 AM EST up reply actions
So if CV continues to suck and be unmotivated they can use it during the season?
Those who believe in telekinetics, raise my hand - Kurt Vonnegut
I want to say yes
Without a doubt, squats are a cure for everything.
by bearded thundar on Jan 3, 2012 3:21 PM EST up reply actions
*correction
looks like we have to wait until the offseason
Without a doubt, squats are a cure for everything.
by bearded thundar on Jan 3, 2012 3:22 PM EST up reply actions
either that
or we pay him to sit at home or play for another team by giving him the amnesty.
sad part is it’s completely pointless to amnesty him. our payroll next season is higher than it is this season so it’s not like we’d be buying any cap room. and we only have 13 roster spots filled right now as it is.
Not until the right player comes along IME
It’s smart to keep Chunk around in case of injury (knock on wood), or maybe he actually shows up at some point this season. I think it’s pretty evident no one is going to pick him up, so we’re on the hook no matter what. And then there’s the possibility that we need a warm body to make a trade later in the season.
yea ur right
thought about that in the shower after i made that post. if jj or monroe goes down then yea it would suck. so might as well keep him until we find a trade or know someone we can sign immediately after amnestying him.
as for the questions re. amnesty, yea we can still use it. We can use it at anytime during course of the CBA as far as I know – so long as it’s used on a player who was under contract as of I think it was july 2012. So we couldn’t go out and sign a guy now and then amnesty him, but we can at any time do it on a guy like CV.
you can't use the amnesty anymore this season though
the deadline to use it this year passed, you have to wait til next off season.
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thank god
this way we can amnesty CV to clear up space to re-sign Austin Day for the same dollar amount.
Thinking about Chunky V in the shower?
NTTAWWT.
Will argue against trading #45 until I am blue in the face and your eyes and ears are bleeding.
by SpursfanSteve on Jan 3, 2012 5:37 PM EST up reply actions
Ben Gordon going off always brings a smile to my face =)
Just a shame he lost two years of his prime because Joe D couldn’t make up his mind on which SG he wanted…
by ap3604 on Jan 3, 2012 3:47 AM EST reply actions
Jeez, I post a bunch of times during the Indiana win, but our first roll call
Is the game I only post once. And now I’m going out of town and probably won’t get a chance to post in the next few games.
In the not-all-about-me department, while I’m still not convinced the Pistons are good or even average, you couldn’t ask for more from Monroe and Jerebko, Ben was “vintage” last night, and they got very nice way-more-than-expected performances from Gordon and Maxiell. Can we keep that up? Also, I’m curious about the whole CV thing.
Everybody contributed ...
But nobody played above their heads or did anything they can’t be expected to do on a semi-regular basis. The key is to go deep into the bench and run, run and run some more. One thing I liked is that Orlando plays (and always has played) really good transition defence. But the Pistons were responsible and if it wasn’t there, they generally didn’t force it but went quickly into their sets. I think coaching is starting to assert itself and we can see the results, but the team can still improve.
Im so torn
I was all stoked to get me a big in the draft. If we play this well were going to the playoffs. We just beat two solid eastern conference teams. Ben Gordon has been playing well so far all season. Jerebko I cant see slowing down. And we all know the moose is a future HOFer. The koolaids in the fridge and the jellos a jiggling.
Seems Like Jonas and Moose will be our Blue Collar leaders.
Stones may seem subpar right now, But like mentioned above, The way those two played made it easier for BG to have a stellar game. And Max? I think he was inspired. Hopefully that will spread to the rest of the team. Haven’t had the opp. to watch any of the games thus far. But watching it through the eyes of you guys has kind of lifted my spirits about them.
Hopefully this will be the year of us having a Scrappy Young squad. I sense a Great undercurrent of excitement. For some reason I’m reminded of the Times we had the likes of Darvin Ham, John Barry, Jerome Williams, Hell! Doug Collins ( I never stopped rooting for those guys). They were fun to watch. Because you knew they wanted to win.I think we have a few guys on our squad that really want to win. And they’re Playing like it.
Thats all I can ask for. I’m enamored by what will become of our team sans Charlie. But then again… well, Fuck Charlie. I aint smiled about the Pistons in a while. And right now I got a warm fuzzy feeling. And I aint even drunk and surly. Count your blessings, Its been years since we had it this good.
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Found this stat on the ESPN Daily Dime this morning.
Wallace simply became the first player since 1973, the year the NBA started keeping track of steals, to have five or more steals in a game in which he didn’t attempt a shot from the floor or the line.
Between Jonas, Moose and Wallace this team is becoming fun to watch again.
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by Sean W on Jan 3, 2012 10:07 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
He was still competing with Stuckey for least fun to watch...
actually scratch that. He was definitely the least fun to watch.
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Definitely
Least fun to watch.
I find Stuckey exciting though. Don’t ask why, because I’m not sure I could explain it.
Stuckey can be exciting.
and I still think he is just improved decision making from being a pretty good sixth man on any team in the league. But decision making requires intelligence and I don’t know how much of that he actually possesses.
Ben Gordon has started all 3 seasons with the Pistons playing this way (i.e., playing well). Here’s hoping he figures a way to stay consistent. Hopefully, the extra backcourt room created by Rip’s departure facilitates that.
Rebounding is so important, especially for this undersized squad. If we can continue to outrebound, and it’s a team effort like it’s been the past 2 nights, we can be competitive… and enjoyable to watch even on nights we don’t win.
TO’s seem a bit of an issue early. Moose’s TO’s have been particularly concerning to me, although he eliminated them last night. I’m really hoping it’s just rust, though. I think we can expect some TO’s from our guards all season, but I’m really hoping that Monroe’s first few games are a fluke in that regard. Need big things from the Moose this season.
My last takeaway from last night is that Moose’s early foul problems so far this season simply underscore our need for a real C. Moose is too important a player to be getting in foul trouble (even if they’re bad calls). Having a legit defensive stopper to pair with him, regardless of position, is going to be important. Obviously, everyone knows this, but I’m particularly concerned about this as it relates to his development. If he’s in foul trouble for a large percentage of games because he’s the only big we have, that’s just silly.
"With logic he attacks. With statistics he defends."
by brgulker on Jan 3, 2012 10:58 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
One other thin
Both Pistons wins have come against teams on the second game of a back-to-back.
This should be an interesting trend to watch league-wide this season, given how prevalent back-to-backs are this season.
"With logic he attacks. With statistics he defends."
rec'd for thin
And your completely right, but they have also both came at the expense of playoff teams. Were young, this can only help us. I think im going to overdose on koolaid for the next week.
rec'd for your
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Between Tayshaun and Daye
I think we have enough thins on the roster.
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Re: back-to-backs
but we were on a back-to-back as well the night we beat Indy. Fatigue/conditioning are certainly going to play a factor in wins for lots of games this year, but I’m not sure how much of these two wins you can attribute to that.
When you say "undersized squad"
Do you mean the whole team, power forward and center, or just center?
I don’t really think this squad is undersized.
Yeah no question about it
It would be nice to bring in a good C and utilize Moose at PF
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I like Moose at the 5
It’s easier to bring in a shotblocking 4 than a guy that can produce better results than him at the 5 anyways
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by bearded thundar on Jan 3, 2012 3:23 PM EST up reply actions
Here are the guys I’d consider under-sized:
Bynum
Gordon
Stuckey (depending on position, especially at 3)
Daye (weight-wise, depending on position)
Tay (weight-wise, against bigger SFs like Pierce, James)
Max
Monroe
"With logic he attacks. With statistics he defends."
I'm nit-picking
but Monroe at 6’11" 253 is pretty much the middle of the pack for an NBA center. He’s as tall but about 10 pounds lighter than Dwight Howard, for example, and is bigger now than Dwight was during the early years. I’ll defer to BT on the weight gain per frame, but I think Monroe has the potential to be larger than Howard by the time he hits his prime.
That said, he doesn’t have the game of a traditional center, and whichever position he plays, he needs someone with the style of a center starting with him.
That’s a fair point. I tend to think of him as under-sized, I guess, because he doesn’t jump well. He seems to play smaller than he is on defense, to my eyeballs.
"With logic he attacks. With statistics he defends."
genetics, not size
Has everything to do with responsiveness of muscle cells (in theory that neural connection could be improved) and how dense his muscle fibers are. Not being explosive on the other hand is not tied to raw strength. I think the guy is actually pretty strong, just look at how far Stuckey went flying when they collided.
Dude needs to do more squats obviously, but who doesn’t?
Without a doubt, squats are a cure for everything.
by bearded thundar on Jan 3, 2012 3:26 PM EST up reply actions
Absolutely agreed.
Monroe has centre size but the game of a power forward, which is much better than the reverse.
Also, I looked up how Monroe compares with other centres here. Basically, he’s average height and above average weight.
by Birdman84 on Jan 3, 2012 1:41 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
rec'd for centre
Garrett would be proud.
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by DBB Diablo on Jan 3, 2012 2:32 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Look out, Garrett!
There’s a worm burrowing into your eye!
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Gordon and Bynum are the only guys on that list I’d agree with. You compare Tayshaun to LeBron who is oversized. I consider Tayshaun and Daye average because their length more than makes up for their lack of weight, especially in a league-wide comparison. Stuckey is an oversized PG average SG undersized SF. Ben Wallace is exempt in my eyes because he’s such a prototypical guy.
I’m really looking for skill over size. I don’t want a big guy just so we have a token 7 footer. I want guys that are proven defenders with a nose for the ball, post scorers, and scorers in the paint. I want demonstrated ability and I don’t care how tall they are.
The upshot to all of this is that we’re really not even undersized compared to the rest of the league. We’re actually quite average. I think as Pistons fans we have a bad taste in our mouths still from all the small ball we’ve had to endure so we just want to field the most gigantic team possible. That’s not really the answer and being “undersized” is not really the problem
I was talking in the context of team rebounding. Don’t extrapolate too much beyond that. I’m not saying we need to get big for its own sake. I’m not even saying it’s the primary problem here (although not having a solid big rotation is the primary problem, I think). I’m talking strictly about rebounding.
In our first two games, we got slaughtered on the glass. The last two games, the entire team has rebounded well (Stuck with 7 boards against Indy, for example).
I’m saying that team rebounding will be important for this team. I’m not trying to say anything beyond that.
"With logic he attacks. With statistics he defends."
what we need
is above the rim play. we need an above the rim front court player badly, although one on the wings would be cool too.
by mcflies on Jan 3, 2012 1:31 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Understood. I know that you are a smart guy who is adept with the stats. It’s really just the semantics of the whole thing that bother me. I feel like it breeds a misconception about size when Detroit particularly has had the likes of Ben Wallace and Dennis Rodman, notoriously excellent rebounders/defenders, as a reminder that size and rebounding don’t always correlate.
I’m not saying we need to get big for its own sake. I’m not even saying it’s the primary problem here (although not having a solid big rotation is the primary problem, I think). I’m talking strictly about rebounding.
Dude, why even say that?
In our first two games, we got slaughtered on the glass. The last two games, the entire team has rebounded well (Stuck with 7 boards against Indy, for example).
Even here I have to wholly disagree with you. You think that Stuckey having 7 boards is the reason we won against Indy? You don’t think it had more to do with Jerebko and Monroe combining for 13 and 14 in the first two games and 23 (against Indiana) and 20 in the second 2 games?
Even here I have to wholly disagree with you. You think that Stuckey having 7 boards is the reason we won against Indy? You don’t think it had more to do with Jerebko and Monroe combining for 13 and 14 in the first two games and 23 (against Indiana) and 20 in the second 2 games?
Not to hijack your conversation Gulks (oops) but Monroe and Jerebko could combine for 30 rebounds every game, but that doesn’t make us a good rebounding team if nobody else does their part. Really, it’s what separates PG’s like Rondo and Kidd from the rest – the ability to create possessions. So Stuckey having 7 boards is huge. Every rebound equals possession of the basketball, and it’s highly unlikely you’re going to score without it.
Deron Williams, Steve Nash, and Chauncey Billups are 3 examples of elite PGs who averaged 3 boards a game for their careers. Steals also create possessions. Good defense creates possessions. I’m really not expecting my PG to bring down more than 3 a game. Our backup bigs and SFs need to be more concerned with that. 7 boards is impressive and welcome, but it’s got fluke written all over it. Let Stuckey worry about making better offensive decisions, playing better defense, and actually getting the ball to go in the hoop.
so you're saying...
stuckey bringing down 7 boards is an anomaly? guess what? wins are an anomaly too. yeah you can’t ask stuckey, wait, yes you can. it takes a team effort to win the battle of the boards. stu key isn’t elite like the others you mentioned that’s why when he contributes in that way the team benefits. I guess I’m just confused about the argument. you need more than your big men to help out on the boards.
by mcflies on Jan 3, 2012 5:42 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
you need more than your big men to help out on the boards.
Absolutely, but that should be way higher on the to-do list of your bigs. They should be doing the lion’s share of a teams rebounding. I want Stuckey focusing on getting the ball where it needs to be and scoring efficiently rather than doing what we already have 2-3 guys on the floor doing.
JodDip:
DWill, Nash and Billups are three of the most dominant offensive minded point guards in the league. Even with huge improvements, Stuckey is unlikely to reach their level as an offensive weapon, especially as a shooter. But if he can use his size and strength to make an impact in other areas (like a Jason Kidd) he can still be a very valuable player. I’d also like to see him improve on his weaknesses, but I think it would be in the Pistons best interest to encourage him to play mostly to his strengths (which hopefully includes above average rebounding for a PG).
by Gabe F-B on Jan 3, 2012 6:32 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Gabe, I think we need points more than anything right now. Stuckey, IME, needs to be focusing on improving his offensive game and passing skills, period. That’s where I’m coming from. I see your point about playing to his strengths, but I feel that a 7 rebound game (which is almost 4 above his average) is more of a fluke and will be much harder to recreate than improving his stroke or shot selection.
I think it all depends on how your team is made up
If you have a guy like Dwight Howard, Humphries, or any other rebounding machine on your team, your need for a guard with rebounding capabilities is reduced. On a team that has historically struggled to out-rebound other teams despite getting more opportunities to shoot, your need for a guard that is willing and/or capable of pulling down 7 boards is increased.
I’d say our team is more on the latter side of the fence than the former. For as good of rebounders as Moose and Jerebko appear to be, we still need to depend on our entire team to win the rebounding battle and can’t leave it to just two players to ensure we consistently win this battle.
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Dude, why even say that?
I think I just worded it poorly. What I intended to say was…
In my first comment, I wasn’t trying to make any type of case about what our team needs are. I was simply trying to say that the entire team being engaged on the glass is important.
In the comment you quoted, I was intended to separate overall roster needs from the team rebounding comment.
In other words, in my initial comment, I wasn’t trying to say anything about the roster. In my second comment, I was trying to explain that, while also say that I do think the greatest roster need is a bigger big man rotation.
does that make any sense? I think we’re just talking past each other.
You think that Stuckey having 7 boards is the reason we won against Indy?
Whoa, slow down. I think we’re completely talking past each other on this point, too. Monroe and Jonas have been awesome on the glass, and I think everyone would agree that they’re going to be consistently great on the glass for us. I would totally agree that our success as a whole – not just rebounding – is driven largely by those two guys. They are, in my view, our two most important players, and I’ve been pretty vocal about that.
All I’m saying is that during our first two losses, we got straight up murked on the glass.
In our last two wins, the entire team has rebounded better (of course including Monroe and JJ, who’ve been beats on the glass). I threw Stuckey’s 7 out as an example of someone other than Moose and Jonas stepping up on the glass as well, but I could have also thrown in Big Ben against both Indy and ORL or Max against INDY.
I wasn’t trying to give Stuckey a disproportionate amount of credit or anything, just noting that if we’re going to win the battle on the glass, it’s gotta be a whole team effort, not just Moose and Jonas. Jonas and Moose could duplicate their performances on the glass every night, and we’d still get beat on the glass if no one else steps up.
Hope that makes sense. I really think it’s just semantics here.
"With logic he attacks. With statistics he defends."
by brgulker on Jan 3, 2012 2:21 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
beets on the glass.
Happy now, PS!?!?!?!
"With logic he attacks. With statistics he defends."
by brgulker on Jan 3, 2012 4:12 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
doug funny loves him some beets.
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You’re making perfect sense. I’m just not buying what you’re selling. Big Ben and Max play the same positions as Jerebko and Monroe. Whether or not Stuckey or Gordon get lots of rebounds is really immaterial. Sure, the guards have to do their part, but it’s more about our bigs playing up to their level. Right? And who cares if we win the battle on the glass if we’re winning games?
I know I’m really nit-picking what you’re saying, but after a deep Pistons summer depression I’m actually optimistic about the front court so I’m getting all Skip Bayless on you. I like Jerebko at the 4 and Monroe at the 5. I do agree with a lot of what you are saying, though.
I thought that the Pistons played great last night
And beating a team that has a Dwight Howard like player is amazing!
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simple IP check would do it
All websites should have easy access to that unless if the laws have changed since I last heard
Without a doubt, squats are a cure for everything.
by bearded thundar on Jan 3, 2012 3:28 PM EST up reply actions
I mean theoretically you could just compare lurkers IP's to those of registered members...
but that could be a lot of work.
And you could really throw somebody for a loop by using something like Tor.
didn't have names in mind
you could give them code names, kinda like how they do with grade standings. IP address 84837203 could become anything from Lurker 1 to Swedish Meatball 1. That way you can still show how many people were following the game without commenting or even being a member
Without a doubt, squats are a cure for everything.
by bearded thundar on Jan 3, 2012 3:49 PM EST up reply actions
without knowing names, you wouldn’t know who is an actual person and who is a robot. you can find out some of this, as google’s spider is usually easy to detect. but other common IP visit are often blog trackbacks which are harder to identify, then there are lower tier search engine spider visits (binglol!), etc.
Seems like a lot of trouble...
lurkers could just post and then not have to worry about this.
All the time relaxed.
by Supa Dupe on Jan 3, 2012 4:13 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
7 out of 10 robots prefer the Pistons over the Magic.
FACT.
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1 out of 1 Monrobocops prefer the Pistons over the Magic
F A C T .
That goddamn Okra and beans got you Oprah in jeans. Seems to me a little lean cuisine, wouldn't hurt much- Agh don't touch! -Obie Trice
by Skylar on Jan 3, 2012 9:36 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
This the first Piston game I got to watch in whole
I had the volume pretty low when i was watching, but it seemed to me from what I could hear Frank was extremely vocal, way more vocal than most coaches. Seemed like he was communicating with the players the whole time. Can anyone confirm this?
Absolutely...dude was yelling the entire time.
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dude was communicating the entire time
SVG yells all the time, doesn’t mean his players listen to a word of it
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by bearded thundar on Jan 3, 2012 3:29 PM EST up reply actions
Would you listen to Stan Van Jeremy?
His voice is like hearing your mom yell at you… after a while that shrill sound just gets blocked out.
All the time relaxed.
If he's giving me guidance on how to double stuff a whore, then absolutely.
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You can't coach size
Never sure if this means that no amount of coaching will make a player taller or that it explains Jon Koncak’s career. Speed and skills can often compensate for a lack of size which was of course the whole point of the “midget grind” concept. By playing small players but not utilizing any speed or quickness (half-court sets designed around isolations, regularly running the shot clock down to the end, walking the ball up the court, etc.) gave us the worst of all worlds. Bad times, bad nightmares, bad memories.
Indeed.
Will argue against trading #45 until I am blue in the face and your eyes and ears are bleeding.
by SpursfanSteve on Jan 3, 2012 5:43 PM EST up reply actions
Not as weird as the feeling you get after smoking it...
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by The Boourns on Jan 3, 2012 8:52 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
“Cotton mouth” doesn’t really do it justice
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by heWizard on Jan 3, 2012 9:37 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Off Topic.
But I’m planning on going to the Dallas game and I was wondering if any of you guys know of a good place to grab a drink before the game. I was 12 the last time I went to a game so I have no clue about what’s around the Palace.
There isn't much right around the Palace...
but there is a bar pretty much “across the street” that I recall even has a bus that will take you across to the palace. Its a huge place, sports bar, lots of TVs, good drinks, and standard bar foods that should do you well.
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WELL YA KNOW SOMETHING MEAN GENE
YOU SHOULD GO TO THE POST BAR BROTHER, THEY GOT A DECENT SELECTION AND THEY’RE THE FASTEST TICKET TO INEBRIATION FOR ALL MY HULKAMANIACS BROTHER
That goddamn Okra and beans got you Oprah in jeans. Seems to me a little lean cuisine, wouldn't hurt much- Agh don't touch! -Obie Trice
by Skylar on Jan 3, 2012 9:38 PM EST up reply actions 9 recs
ehh, WWF never interested me
Real wrestling isn’t quite as fun to watch, but holy hell is it a tough sport
Without a doubt, squats are a cure for everything.
by bearded thundar on Jan 3, 2012 10:19 PM EST up reply actions
My uncle played football to stay in shape for wrestling.. Such a hard sport to compete in.
by MeanGene on Jan 3, 2012 10:26 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
WE NEVER NEEDED PROTEIN SHAKES AND GYM MEMBERSHIPS BROTHER
WE THREW AROUND AIRPLANE TIRES AND SHOT STEROIDS BROTHER
WE’RE TOUGH TOO BROTHER
That goddamn Okra and beans got you Oprah in jeans. Seems to me a little lean cuisine, wouldn't hurt much- Agh don't touch! -Obie Trice
by Skylar on Jan 3, 2012 10:27 PM EST up reply actions 7 recs
I can't stop looking at his package...
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Don't be so hard on them.
They just wanna have a party in the house tonight.
"With logic he attacks. With statistics he defends."
My...brain......
usually it only hurts when I hear their music, but reading their lyrics might actually do more damage.
All the time relaxed.
You Take As Many Steriods As Pro Wrestlers Did In The 80s...
and you don’t have to worry about checking out the “package”. Unless of course, you’re into female bodybuilders, and that’s a different story.
This is DBB, and this is what we do.
by V. on Jan 4, 2012 10:32 PM EST up reply actions
But the Hulkster just said they were “vitamins”! :(
by garrettelliott on Jan 4, 2012 10:58 PM EST up reply actions
WHAT'RE YOU TALKIN' ABOUT BROTHER?
WE FEMALE BODY BUILDERS ARE THE PEAK OF FEMININITY, BROTHER
by Mike Payne on Jan 4, 2012 11:12 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
"With logic he attacks. With statistics he defends."
by brgulker on Jan 5, 2012 1:31 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
rec'd for Juwana Man actually being a man
Without a doubt, squats are a cure for everything.
by bearded thundar on Jan 5, 2012 6:56 PM EST up reply actions
Spectacular.
Also, being as there isn’t much around the Palace, my friends and I have taken a bottle of rum, whiskey, etc. and killed it in the car before going in. That usually does the trick.
All the time relaxed.
The Post is pretty solid, and I think they have a bus that will shuttle you too and from the game
Welcome... to the Wallace-hood
by tads on Jan 3, 2012 9:40 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Yeah...thats what I was thinking of.
The Post Bar.
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meanwhile in the land of offensive futility
the Bucks took 95 shots and scored 73 points. Bravo.
Also Kyle Lowry is really good. Like be in the conversation for best PG in the NBA if anyone even knew who he was good.
by mcflies on Jan 4, 2012 2:39 AM EST via Android app reply actions
his numbers are spooky good if only for 5 games...
15 points, 11 assists, 7 boards, 2.4 steals a game…
That said, he’s only shooting 41% and 32% from FG and 3PT respectively. If he was shooting better he’d be up at 20/11/7…and yeah, thats spooky fucking good.
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