Stop Winning Now...
by beef99 on Feb 12, 2012 12:09 AM EST
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The Pistons need a top 3 pick. It is the only way they can become great. They are seriously hurting their lottery chances...
Who cares? You do not lose your way to a great team. You build a great team by retaining talent you already have, adding key FA's, and making smart draft picks. You do not need a top 3 pick to get good players, especially with the extremely strong draft class this year.
Quick question...When was Monroe drafted? What about Knight? With the way things look right now, the Pistons will most likely have a top 10 pick. We can easily get a player of their caliber, while we build momentum throughout the season, and we can improve our current young players. We have a great core in Jonas, Greg, and Brandon, and they can continue to improve by winning, and we can improve the team's chemistry, too.
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hold the phone
Which side are you taking?
by aussiepiston on Feb 12, 2012 1:39 AM EST via iPhone app reply actions
Absolutist, blanket statements about draft positioning and "great teams" are kind of pointless
A #3 draft pick has more value to this team-in-transition than a 16th pick and a playoff berth. This team has zero trade assets and zero cap space, its only chance to improve is in the draft.
To suggest that Monroe, Jerebko and Knight is a “great” core is to far overstate this team’s value. So far this season, Monroe is playing at an all star level, Jerebko has been a middle-of-the-road role player, and Knight has been significantly below average. That’s not to say all three players won’t improve. But suggesting “greatness” is to rely far too much on hope and far too little on established production.
At the end of the day, the Pistons can’t bank on another Greg Monroe falling to them in the draft. That is luck of a most rare degree. And after the top 7 picks in this upcoming draft, the prospects at Detroit’s positions of need start to fall off a cliff.
So if I value winning, I’m pulling for more immediate losses. You can take my fan card if you want, I’ll still be here anyway, watching every single game of the season. But for a team that is four contractual un-do’s away from a full rebuild and two more above-role-player-level drafts away from making any noise… it’s a no-brainer.
by Mike Payne on Feb 12, 2012 12:10 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
You can take my fan card if you want
Done
Fire Joe Dumars
by Kriz on Feb 12, 2012 1:33 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Canadian Tire giftcards—for the Canadian who has everything, but just needs a little more of it, eh?
by -PS- on Feb 12, 2012 2:53 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Knight has been playing below average?!?!?
I think he’s playing pretty well for a rookie point guard who hasn’t even had a true off-season. Also, Monroe is only in his 2nd season. I think they will become one of the top PG-C combos in the league. All we need is someone else who can consistently score and score in clutch moments. This team has some great pieces. With a little more experience, they’ll be a regular playoff contender.
Tengo el sangre del tigre.
Knight has been playing below average?!?!?
Yes, absolutely below average. Refer to two common advanced stats, for example— PER and ws/48. For PER, 15 is average, for ws/48, .100 is average. In those metrics, Knight is recording an 11.2 and a -.003. That’s horrible. It’s a result of a ton of turnovers and not much else.
In fact, by those metrics, he’s sixth amongst rookie point guards. Only one of which had something remotely resembling “a true off-season”, and none of them practiced with their teams/coaches prior earlier than the other:
Kyrie Irving
Ricky Rubio
Kemba Walker
Isaiah Thomas
Shelvin Mack
Brandon Knight
With a little more experience, they’ll be a regular playoff contender.
This team doesn’t need more experience. IT NEEDS MORE TALENT.
Tank away, Detroit. Tank away.
Some mini-winning streaks are great morale boosters
Success in small doses is a great incentive for Moose, Knight and JJ to keep working hard and improving. It also can prohibit any buffoonery or Stuckey refusing to shoot.
Four game winning streaks just need to be followed by a 2-18 record over the next 20 games…
yeah even against terrible teams, you can see through the 4th win that they're playing with far more confidence and aggression on offense and defense.
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
the good thing is
if you look at their schedule, they should only average about 3 wins a month for the next 3 months, which puts them at 15 or 16 wins.
Hopefully 16/50 is still a top 5 pick, which puts us in Sullinger/Robinson territory.
That’s not immediately putting us in elite team potential like AD1 or AD2 would.
But that is solidifying our frontline rotation, and putting us a trade or 2 away from that level.
More importantly a top 5 pick + a future protected 1st rounder might be enough to get Charlotte to swap their 1st overall/Davis.
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
This may sound silly...
I watched the UConn game yesterday and I don’t care for Drummond’s body language and demeanor. No killer instinct.
All the time relaxed.
i didn't say he was elite yet,
i said both AD’s make us a potentially elite team, (giving us a sizable frontline with above average offense and defense.)
he is “elite” in the same way Greg Monroe was elite as a college freshman – not yet.
So Drummond would make us “potentially elite”? I just don’t buy it. All of the positive talking points about this kid seem to be about what he could possibly do on the court tomorrow, but what he’s doing on the court today just isn’t impressive. So far:
the hype about Drummond : the hype about Thabeet :: drummond’s numbers : thabeet’s numbers
High bust potential, this one has.
you're not really watching
that’s fine with me, really.
its just a basketball game
its just a basketball game
Yes, but we’re all pretty deeply invested in this team, and we care a whole lot about who this team takes home in June— it could make or break this franchise. (well, okay it’s already broken, but it could continue the breakage)
When it comes to how NCAA talent translates to the NBA, Drummond’s numbers aren’t just average, they’re inflated. He may very well become an excellent NBA player, just like Brandon Knight might end up being an excellent NBA player. But to anoint Drummond as a game changer when the numbers suggest otherwise— that’s how busts happen, and the last thing we need in Detroit is one of those.
The problem here is in the suggestion that Drummond would make us “potentially elite” while Robinson/Sullinger would not. This is the opposite of what the stats show. And the stats I’m referring to are the ones that most accurately translate from the NCAA to the NBA.
I don’t mean to keep harping on this, it’s just that I keep seeing you bring it up as fact. When it comes to the draft, that’s the kind of thing that always gets teams in trouble.
by Mike Payne on Feb 13, 2012 8:33 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I'd rather draft a PF over a C
Of course, It’d have to make sense, but I think Monroe has more than proved that he’s capable of playing C in the NBA.
I think/hope Knight will be good ...
but it’s certainly not a sure thing. When you compare his rookie year thus far to Billups or Westbrook, I think he’s doing okay for a guy with only one year of college. If he steadily improves, I think he can be really good and a cornerstone along with Monroe. Ideally we get another quality big to pair with Monroe, but any improement will help.
yeah I think its really hard to gauge Knight as a player in his rookie season...
at first glance I’d say he’s the 3rd best PG in the draft behind Irving and Cole, but Cole actually isn’t anywhere near average PER either.
At 2nd glance, Knight is the 2nd best PG in this draft, assuming we think that he really can fill the PG role. There are aspects that I like about his ability to get our offense into a set play and his insistence on pushing the ball up the floor. Both of which are more mindset/style than something you can learn. His 3PT shooting is an exciting prospect, and his length on defense could evolve into something special assuming he has the right mentoring and the right coaching.
All that said, his ball-handling is a concern and so is his shot selection. At this point I simply don’t see Knight/Monroe being a top PG/C duo as someone else suggested earlier on in the thread in the same way that Duncan/Parker aren’t a top combo either. It will take another huge piece to the puzzle for Knight/Monroe to maximize their talent.
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
by The Boourns on Feb 12, 2012 11:46 PM EST up reply actions
I would never ever..
Want or wish that my team would tank.But if they do I won’t be too upset considering this upcoming draft.What your thoughts on the big man from Uconn Andre Drummond? If we can’t get the unibrow?
Quick question…When was Monroe drafted? What about Knight?
As MP already said, Monroe is the exception, not the rule, and Brandon Knight is currently a really bad player who may or may not get better.
A top 3 pick this season all but guarantees us something useful. After that, it’s a crap shoot. We have no trade assets and no room to add anything significant via free agency.
I understand cheering for wins. I have nothing against those who hate me for cheering for losses. But I am cheering for losses, because a top 3 pick is the only solution to this cluster in the next 3+ years.
Top 3 pick or bust. That’s not just my hope. That’s the reality of the situation.
"With logic he attacks. With statistics he defends."
i dont care about a top 3 pick as long as we beat the nets and bobcats every year
winning 15-20 games a year will teach monroe and knight the value of winning. So then when they become restricted free agents they can choose a team that wins.
i hope we can find some great mid round picks like stuckey and daye to fill out our roster. maybe we will get lucky and draft hustle guys in the 2nd round that out play our 1st rounders.
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