To the Open-Minded Newfy...
by ScottFL on Feb 17, 2012 2:34 PM EST
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"Is there any chance that you could consider putting together a series of team-by-team trade opportunities? Just start with the Hawks (or Bobcats, depending on your alphabetical preference – I’m open minded), and leave it open to this incredibly knowledgeable board to offer up some options, if applicable…I would love to read that series."
--newfy
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I decided to go by divisions; heres a start
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HAWKS: the only guy I would really want is josh smith, and I don’t see how the pistons could get him.
I would applaud a weird, orlando-magic type shuffling of bad contracts, with the pistons getting joe johnson’s unconscionable money for some awful mix of gordon / charlie / tayshaun / maxiell (plus daye), but I don’t see the hawks having any incentive to do that one, either.
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HEAT: aging role players, eddy curry (touch it dave), and the wildly entertaining but mostly just wild norris cole.
absolutely nothing to consider here.
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BOBCATS: I would trade for tyrus thomas. Even if he is a head case who never ends up becoming anything useful (like charlie?), the best-case scenario involves blocks, dunks, and appropriately power forward type shit (not like charlie).
I can’t really figure out what the bobcats would want, mostly because michael jordan is bad at his job and does weird things all the time. I can’t see them wanting stuckey (or knight, or gordon) because they are currently rolling with 2 midget point guards. Tayshaun makes no sense for such a lousy team. Charlie makes no sense for anybody. This is making my head hurt.
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WIZARDS: another ridiculously bad team. I would trade daye for chris singleton, if they would let me.
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MAGIC: nobody I want. Lots of terrible contracts, ryan anderson having a nice year but not sure how he fits, being basically a better charlie v.
Vernon macklin for deandre liggins, anyone? I liked liggins in college as a possible tony allen defense/glue guy type. Every team needs one of those.
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RAPS: bryan colangelo seems to be a moron…so if he wants him some gordon or charlie for barbosa’s expiring, that would be awesome.
Otherwise…calderon is the real point guard we’ve all been waiting for, except he’s 30. a bad trading partner because they are another team in desperate need of frontcourt athleticism.
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KNICKS: melo getting traded makes too much sense at this point, given the d’antoni-lin pickandrollgasm that has been unfolding…so it probably won’t happen, at least not immediately.
But gordon and tayshaun for melo? Might make both teams better, except for the whole melo getting shipped out of NYC and pouting for the next 2 years thing.
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NETS: kris humphries for stuckey, in a desperation move for the nets once deron williams skips town. I totally want this to happen.
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SIXERS: this is a pretty good team, with no real use for anybody the pistons would want to trade.
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CELTICS: remember that rumor about the rondo and ray allen (then with a huge expiring contract) for stuckey rip and tayshaun trade that never happened?
Rondo is on the wrong team right now—half court, old guys, etc. sometimes I envision a future…
…a future where he is leading a team with a nasty edge on defense, a team with young mobile bigs who can run for easy buckets and take advantage of his strengths…why not in detroit?
Stuckey + Knight + Daye for Rondo
(I have chosen not to focus on the math…something like throwing in max and bynum for jermaine o’neal’s contract would solve the problem of stuckey being a BYC guy)
…then we win the lottery, and we get to cheer for
Rondo / Gordon / Jonas / Unibrow / Moose
…blocks and dunks whilst I ejaculate all over myself.
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hope this is helpful newfy...more to follow as I get round to it.
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I was reading some where that the kings have some issues. (obviously)
They need back court scoring and they lack a competent small forward, plus J.j hickson is getting no run. Oh Yea… so how bout
BG for hickson + or – a pick (idk work in trade machine)
Daye for hickson
or
Hey sactown Charlie Vanillawaiver is really a 3
Villanueva for hickson
And Hickson is expiring
Piston power
Great info
Really appreciate it. My only concern about this layout, and why I suggested one team at a time, is that this can collapse into chaos if everyone attempts to chime in…and there tends to be dissension between some of the regulars here when they’re able to nitpick on specific issues, and I love that type of back-and-forth, well-thought-out dialogue. Still, as the rarely-posting member here, I’ll defer to the higher powers.
Scott Hastings was the greatest player in the league in Bulls vs. Lakers.
Start with the assets that are not on the table
Greg Monroe and the 2012 1st round pick. Unless you’re getting, say, Dwight Howard who’s willing to sign an extension with Detroit, those aren’t getting traded.
After that you’ve got two types of trades: trades for talent and trades for cap relief.
Normally you’d include trades for draft picks, but no one’s trading a 1st rounder this year for anyone on the Pistons, except maybe Monroe, and I’ve already mentioned that.
So for the Hawks, the only deal I see is Tayshaun and Bynum for Hinrich and 2nd rounder, Deal Type #2.
Boston Type #1 – Rondo or Bass. Best bet for Rondo would probably be Stuckey and Knight (though Stuckey can’t be traded this season). Bass could probably be had for Maxiell and a high 2nd rounder.
Boston Type #2 – I honestly can’t see Boston giving up cap space for anyone with a big contract on the Pistons. Maybe Allen for Stuckey, but I don’t think we’d want that. Tayshaun for Jermaine O’Neal would be the closest match that might happen if Boston felt they were close to contending, but it’s hard to see Dumars pulling that trigger.
Heat Type #1 – Bosh for Monroe, Gordon, and Daye. Detroit gives up the future in Monroe for the present in Bosh, but I don’t think Bosh is worth it. Miami might just be interested, adding a young capable big with lots of potential and two scorers for the bench.
Charlotte is in the same boat as us, wanting picks and youth, so it would have to be a youth swap. You could do any single swap of Knight/Daye/Bynum for Walker/Biyombo/Henderson/White/Najera/Augustin.
Wizards would be pretty much the same thing as the Bobcats, bunch of young cheap unspectacular guys who could swap. Biggest risk would be Maxiell (expiring) for Blatche (4 years left) which I sure would hate, but could pay off if Blatche gets his head on straight (no sign of that for the last 6 or whatever years).
Besides the aforementioned Howard trade, I’d trade Gordon to the Magic for Redick and Duhon, but I doubt that Orlando would.
Raptors Type #1 – Trade Maxiell for Amir Johnson. We know in the past Dumars isn’t afraid to admit a mistake and ship a guy out of town (WHY NOT CV!?) but is he willing to admit a mistake and reacquire a player he lost? Amir’s athleticism could fit nicely next to Monroe.
Raptors Type #2 – Gordon for Barbosa and Bayless. Both Raptors’ contracts are expiring.
Knicks – Bottom of the roster junk swap.
Nets – New Jersey wants nothing to do with taking on extra salary as they get ready to chase Howard, so it’s talent only here. Unfortunately, NJ has less than we do. I’m sure they’d love a Lopez for Monroe swap, but I would not be on board.
Sixers – This is a team that could take on a experienced veteran to help with a playoff run. Unfortunately, unless they’ve given up on Evan Turner, they don’t have much to offer in youth or expiring contracts. I could get on board with a Tayshaun for Nocioni and Vucevic, but I don’t know how interested they’d be in trading away Vucevic.
Those are my thoughts on the teams ScottFL posted here. If he does another, I’ll chime in again.
by GM26 on Feb 20, 2012 4:25 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Knicks – Bottom of the roster junk swap.
I have tried to make the contracts work, but I can’t. Still, I’d love to see Ben Gordon play for D’Antoni.
Also, Austin Daye might be fun to watch playing SG between Lin and Melo.
I agree with everything you said here, though, in that there isn’t much that makes sense. Although, I think Miami would jump at Greg Monroe for Bosh, but I wouldn’t touch it with a ten foot pole.
"With logic he attacks. With statistics he defends."
3 Team Trade
I tried goofing around with a 3 team trade that involves Gordon, but I can’t envision any situation where New York trades away Carmelo or Stoudemire for Gordon and a young player who fills the cap. They just traded multiple strong pieces for the big superstar, hard to see them doing that in reverse. And outside Carmelo, Stoudemire, and Chandler, no one makes more than 1.5 mil. Unbelievable!
Daye could be swung for two players, since the Pistons have an open roster spot. Toney Douglas and Jerome Jordan or Bill Walker and Jerome Jordan would work. I’d rather have Douglas than Walker.
Maxiell and Daye for Tyrus Thomas.
Bobcats do it for the cap relief (Thomas has basically Charlie V’s contract but for one more year). Max has actually been playing pretty well and has an expiring contract.
Pistons do it for blocks and dunks and well, it’s not like we’re really gonna be in the mix for any big FA acquisitions since we’re building through the draft… (right Joe D? No more BGs or Chuckie Vs?)
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