Greg Monroe, Brandon Knight included in NBA's Rising Stars Challenge roster pool
by Matt Watson on Feb 8, 2012 3:30 PM EST
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It's official: Greg Monroe and Brandon Knight are headed to All-Star Weekend. From the Pistons' press release:
AUBURN HILLS, Mich. - The National Basketball Association announced today that Detroit Pistons players Greg Monroe and Brandon Knight have been selected for the 2012 BBVA Rising Stars Challenge to be held on Friday, Feb. 24, in Orlando during NBA All-Star 2012.
Monroe is one of three Pistons' players to appear in all 26 games this season, averaging team-highs in points (16.3 ppg) and rebounds (9.9 rpg) in 32.9 minutes per game. Among NBA leaders he ranks 11th in field goal percentage (second among NBA sophomores and third among NBA Eastern Conference centers), 13th in rebounds (third among NBA sophomores and T-3rd among NBA Eastern Conference centers) and 31st in scoring (second among NBA sophomores and NBA Eastern Conference centers). His 10 double-doubles during the month of January were the most for a Pistons player during that month since Bill Laimbeer recorded 14 during the 1986-87 season and Dennis Rodman tallied 11 during the 1991-92 season. Monroe was a member of the Rookie Team during last year's event at NBA All-Star 2011 in Los Angeles where the Rookies won for the second consecutive year, 148-140.
Knight has appeared in 26 games (20 starts), averaging 12.5 points, 3.4 rebounds and 3.4 assists in 32.0 minutes per game. Amongst NBA rookie leaders the 6-foot-3 guard ranks second in scoring and minutes played, third in field goal percentage (.405), fourth in assists, T-6th in three-point field goal percentage (.352), ninth in steals (0.69 spg) and 10th in rebounds. His 38 three-point field goals made ranks first amongst current NBA rookies and second-most among rookies in Pistons franchise history (Lindsey Hunter - 69).
If you haven't been paying attention, the Rookie-Sophomore game has a new twist, with rosters being drafted by Charles Barkley and Shaquille O'Neal from a pool of first- and second-year players. The draft takes place on Feb. 16, and the game itself will be played on Feb. 24. SB Nation NBA has the full pool of players that will be joining Monroe and Knight.
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Brandon Knight is not 2nd in scoring
He is 3rd behind Irving and Brooks
Glad to hear this
Knight’s stats show that this kid could possibly be our PG for years to come,and he will only get better as he gets older.
still the same tone with Knight ever since Biyombo got drafted huh Mike?
by CheerstoLilWayne on Feb 9, 2012 1:49 AM EST up reply actions
still the same tone with Knight ever since Biyombo got drafted huh Mike?
Two things— first, the stats do not show that Knight will be “our PG for years to come”. So far, statistically, he’s a lot closer to Ben Gordon than he is to even Rodney Stuckey.
Second, this.
Oh yes.
because I forgot that he’s only 47th in the league in assists per game as a rookie and neither his turnovers OR his assists will improve seeing how he’s already in his rookie season…you’re totally correct.
by CheerstoLilWayne on Feb 9, 2012 3:22 PM EST up reply actions
cheers
i always read your handle as “cheetos lil wayne”, which makes me smile. that’s all.
by C$ on Feb 9, 2012 3:46 PM EST up reply actions
That's the point though, right?
Nothing he’s shown so far has indicated he will be the PG for “years to come”. So far he’s shown he can shoot a 3 pointer and turn the ball over. Also, here’s this: http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/7551029/nba-rookie-rankings-v
It’s not because Knight can’t score — he shoots 56.5 percent on isolations. Knight’s lack of efficiency, however, stems from the fact that he gives the ball away 25 percent of the time in one-on-one situations. What’s worse, Knight turns the ball over nearly as often in other situations, too. He commits turnovers 22.9 percent of the time in transition and 10.6 percent of the time in pick-and-roll situations. Knight is way too careless with the basketball.
All the time relaxed.
by Supa Dupe on Feb 9, 2012 4:24 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
ok
however if you want to go based on turnovers, here’s a few names above him you might recognize: Steve Nash, Kyle Lowry, Monta Ellis, Deron Williams, Russell Westbrook, and John Wall…so i guess none of them are good PG’s either? As far as i’m concerned, he’s also shown that he can get to the hoop and draw a foul, he’s a good free throw shooter, and he’s got the poise, the work ethic, and the intelligence. The numbers he’s putting up now are anything special…but they’re very good POINT GUARD stats for a rookie.
by CheerstoLilWayne on Feb 9, 2012 4:35 PM EST up reply actions
Holy shit, I can't even figure out what logical fallacy this is.
I’m going to go with…like, all of them?
by Shinons* on Feb 9, 2012 7:21 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
however if you want to go based on turnovers, here’s a few names above him you might recognize: Steve Nash, Kyle Lowry, Monta Ellis, Deron Williams, Russell Westbrook, and John Wall
This is the most flawed argument I can possibly imagine. So because these good point guards turned it over a lot, Brandon Knight will be a good point guard too? Really?
So far during his rookie season, Knight has not established a passing game that is reflected in the stats. From your definition, things like getting to the hoop, drawing fouls, shooting free throws, “poise, work ethic, intelligence”— those are not skills which differentiate a point guard from a shooting guard. The main factor which differentiates a point guard from any other player on the floor is his ability to distribute, which is measured in assist rates/averages and how they compare to turnover rates/averages.
Those players you mention— Nash, Lowry, Williams, Westbrook, Wall… so far this season, Brandon Knight’s assist rate is a LOT closer to Ben Gordon than it is to any of those players. Which is my entire point. Statistically, he hasn’t exhibited the ability to do the things which separate a point guard from any other player on a team.
Things might change in the future, but they rarely do. We’ve been waiting for Stuckey to develop a passing game, and he never really did— even though his college stats were more suggestive of that development than Knight’s were.
I really hope Knight ends up developing this elusive passing game. If he does, it will be reflected in the numbers and I will point to them just like I do now. If he does, I will celebrate it. But at the top of this comment thread, someone said “Knight’s stats show that this kid could possibly be our PG”, I call bullshit. Because the numbers aren’t showing that yet at all.
DaJuan Summers sucks at baseball. So did Michael Jordan.
Therefore, DaJuan Summers is as good at basketball as Michael Jordan.
nevermind, thought you said basketball both times...
I was wondering why you thought Jordan sucked at basketball. but i love how you’re trying to relate Baseball to basketball…keep it up.
by CheerstoLilWayne on Feb 9, 2012 9:07 PM EST up reply actions
And I love how you're relating being really good at committing turnovers to being good at playing point guard!
by Shinons* on Feb 9, 2012 9:17 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
i never said that.
If you would quit twisting my words and read, all i did was provide a list of players that turn the ball over MORE than Brandon Knight and say it’s POSSIBLE to be a good PG and have a high turnover stat. Cheers to you as well.
by CheerstoLilWayne on Feb 9, 2012 9:20 PM EST up reply actions
And all I did was provide a list of players who suck at baseball and say it's POSSIBLE to suck at baseball and be the greatest basketball player in the world.
I really think we’re on the same page here brudda.
No.
you said that Dajuan WAS as good as Jordan…i never said night was as good as those guys yet. So no, you’re not on the same page “brudda”.
by CheerstoLilWayne on Feb 9, 2012 10:22 PM EST up reply actions
No I didn't. I said Summers IS as good as Jordan. Jordan's like old and shit.
KWIT TWISTING MY WURDS!!!!!!
wow.
Never once did i say that he would be as good as those guys because he turns the ball over less than he does. Stop putting words in my mouth and using a Straw Man fallacy. “Things might change in the future, but they rarely do.”? really?? Players rarely get better after their rookie season? Ben Wallace, Chauncey, Kobe, Michael, Lebron, etc. were all as good in their primes as they were their rookie seasons? Talk about the most flawed argument you can imagine. I provided a list of players that turn the ball over more than Knight to show that it’s POSSIBLE to have a high turnover average and still be good and you twist my words and accuse me of saying that Knight’s going to be as good as D-Will because he turns the ball over as much as him, but then you say “We’ve been waiting for Stuckey to improve” and use that as an argument against Knight’s improvement even though you just accused me of saying “because one player did this, Knight’s going to do it too…” wow. On top of that, you judge Knight based on his stats right now, but when i try to do that to Biyombo, you get offended. Very hypocritical…can’t wait to hear your response and how you twist my words this time.
by CheerstoLilWayne on Feb 9, 2012 9:18 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
really?? Players rarely get better after their rookie season? Ben Wallace, Chauncey, Kobe, Michael, Lebron, etc. were all as good in their primes as they were their rookie seasons? Talk about the most flawed argument you can imagine.
From their rookie seasons into their primes, pllayers usually improve upon established skills if given the burn. Rarely (and I mean rarely) do players ever develop skills they haven’t already established by their rookie seasons. A bad rebounder will rarely if ever turn into a great or even good rebounder. A bad distributor will rarely turn into a good distributor. If a player has established a set level of promise with a particular skill, they will usually maintain or improve that as playing time and experience is increased.
Talk about the most flawed argument you can imagine
The only thing that was flawed here was your comprehension of my point.
I provided a list of players that turn the ball over more than Knight to show that it’s POSSIBLE to have a high turnover average and still be good and you twist my words and accuse me of saying that Knight’s going to be as good as D-Will because he turns the ball over as much as him
Rec’d for awesome run-on sentence. And all of those star point guards that you compared Knight to (again, stupid comparison)— they had more than double the assist rate of Knight. Baseless, empty logic bruh.
when i try to do that to Biyombo, you get offended.
I get offended? I’m offended at the implication. Shaq, Dennis Rodman, Ben Wallace, Tim Duncan, Wilt Chamberlain and Bill Russell have all been offended before. OH MY GOD I’M THE NEXT BIG SUPERSTAR CENTER!!!!
lmao
I compared turnovers only, i never compared anything else, once again, stop putting words in my mouth. I know that they have better stats than Knight across the board…except for turnovers. All i’m pointing out is that it IS possible to be a good PG when you have a higher Turnover rate (especially as a rookie)…i don’t see how you can’t understand that I never said that he is as good as those guys “Bruh”. And I don’t remember Greg Monroe being a good scorer or rebounder until the second half of the season…and yet look at where he is now. I love your logic, somehow you take me calling you out for being hypocritical (which you aren’t denying) and somehow you bring Shaq, Rodman, Ben, Duncan, Russell, and Chamberlain into the mix? oh, and rec’d for “pllayers”…seeing as how we all need a Doctorate in English to post on these blogs.
by CheerstoLilWayne on Feb 9, 2012 10:35 PM EST up reply actions
You're right, really
It is possible to be a good PG when you have a high Turnover [sic] rate
It’s also possible to suck when you have a high Turnover [sic] rate
Hooray for conclusions!
But what did we decide?
That we’re all hypocritical, really?
Deep shit man…deep shit.
well...
as long as you finally get the fact that I never said he was great because of his turnovers and that just because he has a high turnover rate as a rookie doesn’t mean that he’s going to be another Rodney Stuckey/Ben Gordon/ Shooting Guard…then I got my point across.
by CheerstoLilWayne on Feb 9, 2012 10:48 PM EST up reply actions
I compared turnovers only, i never compared anything else
You compared the turnovers of Brandon Knight to Steve Nash, Deron Williams, and others. Thereby, you’re comparing Brandon Knight to Steve Nash, Deron Williams and others. I guess you can just pretend like that didn’t happen and blame everybody else for it though. Lookin’ good, “Bruh”.
All i’m pointing out is that it IS possible to be a good PG when you have a higher Turnover rate
And all I’m pointing out is that it’s only possible to be a good PG with a high turnover rate when your assist rate is twice as high as your turnover rate is. Which is true of Steve Nash and Deron Williams, but not even remotely true of Brandon Knight.
And I don’t remember Greg Monroe being a good scorer or rebounder until the second half of the season…and yet look at where he is now.
And I don’t remember Greg Monroe scoring much or rebounding much until he was given solid, consistent minutes, which didn’t happen until the second half of the season. Seriously, were you listening to the dude’s story? You know, where I said “If a player has established a set level of promise with a particular skill, they will usually maintain or improve that as playing time and experience is increased”. Greg Monroe’s per minute rebounding in college and the first half of his rookie season hasn’t changed much since then.
Per minute, Greg Monroe’s season this year is looking quite similar to his final season in college.
I love your logic, somehow you take me calling you out for being hypocritical (which you aren’t denying) and somehow you bring Shaq, Rodman, Ben, Duncan, Russell, and Chamberlain into the mix?
I don’t think I’ve been hypocritical, CheerstoLilWayne. I don’t think I’ve said something, claimed that I never did, then challenged people to call me on it.
You know, like when you said:
Please find a quote where i said that Knight was going to be great…show me how being glad to have someone automatically means you think they’re going to be great…show me that buddy boy.
and then Gabe FB pointed out that you said:
Biyombo is going to be a bust. Knight’s going to be a great PG.
Just so you know, when that happened, you lost what little credibility you could have hoped for here. But let’s get back to arguing about what you didn’t say (even though you did) about a player that you’re defending from us when all we’re doing is pointing at the statistical record.
Is it just me or
Is 9 and 9 a bit small? Especially assuming Griffin doesn’t do it, since he’ll be in the actual All-Star game.
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