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"I got stats on stats on stats..." (G/G-F)

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Good Lord Boyet, my beauty, though but mean,
Needs not the painted flourish of your praise:
Beauty is bought by judgement of the eye,
Not utter'd by the base sale of champmen's tongues

~ Shakespeare [Love's Labours Lost, 1588]

In layman's terms: Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. In the case of NBA players, it's more like: Value is in the pen of the check writer. So how "valuable" are our Pistons?

Using www.basketball-reference.com, breaking down the players by position into three categories (G/G-F, F-G/F/F-C, C/C-F), and www.hoopsworld.com for salary information, I'm going to try and assess how "valuable" each Piston from the 2012-13 roster was. I got the idea after reading demino12's first SB Nation Fan Post. The one criteria for my searches are players who played in at least 60 games in 2012-13.

Due to how long it takes to collect the data, I'm going to separate this in three parts. I'm doing G/G-F today, F-G/F/F-C tomorrow (hopefully) and C/C-F on Monday (also hopefully).

There are 105 players who fit the category of G/G-F and have played at least 60 games. The Pistons in this group are Calderon, Bynum, Knight, and Stuckey. (Note: Four players not in the 105 are John Wall, Kyrie Irving, Rajon Rondo and Derrick Rose...so take that for what it's worth.)

Player Age AP36 SP36 TP36 FG% 3P% FT% TS% PP36 Salary
Calderon T-81st 3rd T-73rd T-45th 3rd 1st T-5th 2nd 67th 12th
Bynum T-75th T-15th T-35th 105th (last) 10th 83rd 58th 52nd 13th T-45th
Knight T-2nd T-47th T-77th T-88th T-80th 44th 86th 77th 48th 61st
Stuckey T-43rd T-49th T-84th T-48th 82nd 88th 73rd 86th T-59th 14th

Jose Calderon

The only person better than Calderon in TS% was Sefolosha. In the top 5 of TS%, Calderon is the oldest and makes the second most (behind Martin). In the top 10 of TS%, Calderon is the third oldest (behind Allen and Prigioni) and makes the 4th most (behind Paul, Martin and Parker) with the next highest salary being %5.8M to James Harden (which skyrockets next year).

For players Calderon's age +/- 2 years (29 through 33, includes 23 players), Calderon makes the 7th most. After Calderon, the next highest paid player in that age range is John Salmons at $8.1M.

The only players better in assists (per 36) were Paul and Vasquez. In the top 5 in assists, Calderon makes the 3rd most (behind Paul and Parker, ahead of Vasquez and Tinsley) and is the second oldest (Tinsley). Both of the players paid less than Calderon in the top 5 get paid no more than $1.4M. In the top 10, Calderon makes the 4th most (behind Paul, Parker and Williams) and is the third oldest (behind Miller and Tinsley).

For players +/- .2 steals (per 36) of Calderon (includes 45 players), Calderon is tied for 7th oldest and makes the 5th most with the next highest salary being Stuckey at $8.5M. For players +/- .2 turnovers (per 36) of Calderon (includes 20 players), Calderon is tied for second oldest (behind Hinrich) and makes the most with the next highest salary being...Stuckey again. For players +/- 1.5 points (per 36) of Calderon (includes 37 players), Calderon is tied for 4th oldest and makes the second most (behind Iguodala) with the next highest salary being...Stuckey again!

Calderon only trails Parker and Wade in FG% (probably because they rely more on going to the hoop than their jump shot). In the top 5 of FG%, Calderon is tied for the oldest (with Wade) and makes the second least ($7.4M more than Sefolosha). In the top 10 of FG%, Calderon is tied for second oldest (behind Miller) and makes the 4th most (behind Parker, Wade and Paul).

In the top 5 of 3P%, Calderon is tied with Willie Green for oldest and makes the second most (behind Kevin Martin). In the top 10 of 3P%, Calderon is tied for third oldest (behind Allen and Mason) and still makes the second most with the next highest salary being Stephen Curry at $3.96M.

Calderon only trails Brian Roberts, Roger Mason, Wayne Ellington and Toney Douglas in FT% and is tied with Curry and Redick. In the top 7 in FT%, Calderon is the second oldest (to Mason) and makes the most ($5M more than Redick). In the top 10 in FT%, Calderon is third oldest and makes the second most (behind Martin).

Will Bynum

For players +/- .025 TS% of Bynum (includes 56 players), Bynum is tied for 6th oldest and is tied for making the 22nd most. Notable players in this range include Russell Westbrook, Damian Lillard, Jarrett Jack, Ramon Sessions and Arron Afflalo.

For players Bynum's age +/- 2 years (28 through 32, includes 30 players), Bynum makes the 18th most. Notable players in this range include Dwyane Wade and Tony Parker.

For players +/- .5 in assists (per 36) of Bynum (includes 12 players), Bynum is the 4th oldest and makes 7th most. Notable players in this range include Manu Ginobili, Stephen Curry, and Mike Conley. For players +/- .2 in steals (per 36) of Bynum (includes 43 players), Bynum is tied for 9th oldest and is tied for making 16th most. Notable players in this range include Stephen Curry and Kobe Bryant. There are only two players within .2 of Bynum's turnover rate, and that's Harden and Holiday. Expand that to within .3 of Bynum's turnover rate and the list now includes Ginobili, Westbrook and Bryant.

Bynum is tied for 4th oldest and makes the third least (more than Livingston and Collison) of the top 10 in FG%. Other notable players in the top 10 include Tony Parker, Dwyane Wade and Chris Paul. For players within .025 of Bynum's 3P% (includes 26 players), Bynum is tied for 4th oldest and is tied for making the 12th least. Notable players within this range include Chris Paul, Kobe Bryant and Russell Westbrook. For players within .025 of Bynum's FT% (includes 28 players), Bynum is tied for 5th oldest and is tied for making the 13 least.

For players +/- 1.5 points (per 36) to Bynum (includes 25 players), Bynum is the 4th oldest and makes the 13th most/least. Notable players in this range include Chris Paul, Damian Lillard, and Tyreke Evans.

Brandon Knight

For players +/- .025 TS% of Knight (includes 46 players), Knight is tied for 2nd youngest and makes the 21st least. Notable players in this range include Russell Westbrook, Brandon Jennings, Monta Ellis, Ramon Sessions and Arron Afflalo.

For players Knight's age +/- 2 years (19 through 23, includes 22 players), Knight makes the 7th most. Notable players in this range include James Harden, Tyreke Evans, Brandon Jennings, and Damian Lillard.

For players +/- .5 in assists (per 36) of Knight (includes 16 players), Knight is the youngest and makes 5th least. Notable players in this range include Ramon Sessions, Mario Chalmers, J.J. Redick, O.J. Mayo, and Tyreke Evans. For players +/- .2 in steals (per 36) of Knight (includes 40 players), Knight is tied for 2nd youngest and is tied for making 19th least. Notable players in this range include Deron Williams, Jarrett Jack and Damian Lillard. For players +/- 0.2 in turnovers (per 36) of Knight (includes 17 players), Knight is the youngest and makes the 8th least. Notable players in this range include Dwyane Wade, Stephen Curry and Andre Miller.

For players within .025 of Knight's FG% (includes 42 players), Knight is tied for being the youngest and makes the 20th least. Notable players in this range include Damian Lillard, Manu Ginobili, and Monta Ellis. For players within .025 of Knight's 3P% (includes 48 players), Knight is tied for being the youngest and is tied for making the 21st least. Notable players within this range include Deron Williams, Brandon Jennings, James Harden, Damian Lillard, Mike Conley, and Manu Ginobili. For players within .025 of Knight's FT% (includes 15 players), Knight is tied for being the youngest and makes the 8th most/least.

For players +/- 1.5 points (per 36) to Knight (includes 36 players), Knight is tied for being the youngest and makes the 16th least. Notable players in this range include Jarrett Jack, O.J. Majo and Mike Conley.

Rodney Stuckey

For players +/- .025 TS% of Stuckey (includes 39 players), Stuckey is tied for 18th oldest and makes the 5th most. Notable players in this range include Ramon Sessions, Arron Afflalo, Kemba Walker, and Monta Ellis.

For players Stuckey's age +/- 2 years (24 through 28, includes 51 players), Stuckey makes the 5th most. Notable players in this range include Deron Williams, Chris Paul, Monta Ellis, O.J. Mayo and Mike Conley.

For players +/- .5 in assists (per 36) of Stuckey (includes 16 players), Stuckey is tied for 5th oldest and makes the most. Notable players in this range include Ramon Sessions, Mario Chalmers, J.J. Redick, O.J. Mayo, and Tyreke Evans. For players +/- .2 in steals (per 36) of Stuckey (includes 32 players), Stuckey is tied for 16th oldest and makest the 6th most. Notable players in this range include Deron Williams, Jarrett Jack and Damian Lillard. For players +/- 0.2 in turnovers (per 36) of Stuckey (includes 20 players), Stuckey is tied for 8th oldest and makes the second most. Notable players in this range include Jarrett Jack, Tyreke Evans, Ramon Sessions and Mario Chalmers.

For players within .025 of Stuckey's FG% (includes 42 players), Stuckey is tied for being the 17th oldest and makes the 5th most. Notable players in this range include Damian Lillard, Manu Ginobili, and Monta Ellis. For players within .025 of Stuckey's 3P% (includes 19 players), Stuckey is tied for being the 9th oldest and is tied for making the 5th most. Notable players within this range include Kobe Bryant, Russell Westbrook and Monta Ellis. For players within .025 of Stuckey's FT% (includes 22 players), Stuckey is tied for being the 9th oldest and makes the 4th most. Notable players in this group include Russell Westbrook, Manu Ginobili, Tyreke Evans and Monta Ellis.

For players +/- 1.5 points (per 36) to Stuckey (includes 43 players), Stuckey is tied for being the 18th oldest and makes the 4th most. Notable players in this range include Jarrett Jack, O.J. Majo and Mike Conley.

Summary

To me it looks like Calderon may very slightly be getting paid more than he's worth, Bynum is a bargain at his price, Knight is still young and cheap, and Stuckey is very much overpaid. Because our best guards on the team are the oldest guards on the team, drafting Burke would have likely been (and hopefully still can be) such a blessing. He's not proven in the NBA yet (could end up like Manateena) but Burke's last year at Michigan was much better than Knight's only college season in almost every category. Burke also played in a much tougher conference than Knight did.

Another thing I see is that some of the people we've mentioned going after in free agency may only be slightly better than what we have. The ones that are much better than what we have are either already signed or would cost a lot of money. However, this makes me hope even more that we can resign Calderon and draft a better SG. Thoughts?

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