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Joe Dumars: Complete draft history with the Pistons

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As requested by J Dre, here is an article similar to the Jeff Bower: Complete draft history with the Hornets article created by Sean_Corp.

Now that Joe Dumars is no longer the new general manager for the Pistons (and we have a new one), I thought perhaps it would be a good idea to closely examine his history in the draft. I thought it would be a good idea. Maybe it still is, but I'm less sure.

Sometimes data is clarifying and sometimes it is just a bunch of noise. I've compiled the chart below and I'll let the readers be the judge on how beneficial it is.

A few notes: I collected draft information from 2000-13, during this time Dumars served in the following capacities: 1999-00: Detroit Pistons, Director of Player Personnel; 2000-13: Detroit Pistons, President of Basketball Operations and General Manager Sometimes he was the key decision maker, sometimes not. But I figured more data is better than less data, and Dumars was obviously a key figure within the organization during the entire span.

On to the data!

Year Pick Name Draft Notes
2000 14 Mateen Cleaves Mateen Cleaves No. 57 in career Win Shares (-0.8) - second to last in that year's class. Notable available players ranked above Cleaves in career WS are EVERYONE!!!
44 Brian Cardinal Brian Cardinal No. 15 in career Win Shares (15.4). Nobody drafted after Cardinal had more career WS.
2001 9 Rodney White Rodney White No. 32 in career Win Shares (1.8). Notable available players ranked above White in career WS include Tony Parker (No. 28, 96 WS), Zach Randolph (No. 19, 64.9 WS), Gerald Wallace (No. 25, 59.6 WS).
37 Mehmet Okur Mehmet Okur No. 10 in career Win Shares (54.7). Nobody drafted after Okur had more career WS.
2002 23 Tayshaun Prince Tayshaun Prince No. 4 in career Win Shares (60.1). Notable available players ranked above Prince in career WS include Carlos Boozer (No. 38, 78.1 WS).
2003 2 Darko Milicic Darko Milicic No. 32 in career Win Shares (7.1). Notable available players ranked above Milicic in career WS include Dwyane Wade (No. 5, 105.4 WS), Chris Bosh (No. 4, 96 WS), Carmelo Anthony (No. 3, 83.1 WS), and many more.
25 Carlos Delfino Carlos Delfino No. 18 in career Win Shares (22.5). Notable available players ranked above Delfino in career WS include Kyle Korver (No. 51, 50 WS), Josh Howard (No. 29, 38 WS), Mo Williams (No. 47, 36.8).
58 Andreas Glyniadakis Andreas Glyniadakis No. 58 in career Win Shares (-0.2) - second to last in that year's class.
2004 54 Ricky Paulding Ricky Paulding never played in NBA.
2005 26 Jason Maxiell Jason Maxiell No. 24 in career Win Shares (18.9). Notable available players ranked above Maxiell in career WS include David Lee (No. 30, 64.1 WS), Monta Ellis (No. 40, 33 WS), Marcin Gortat (No. 57, 32.4 WS).
56 Amir Johnson Amir Johnson No. 8 in career Win Shares (34.1). TRADE HIM NOW!!!
60 Alex Acker Alex Acker No. 59 in career Win Shares (-0.2) - second to last in that year's class.
2006 60 Will Blalock Will Blalock No. 56 in career Win Shares (-0.1). Adam Morrison, picked 3rd, was more damaging!
2007 15 Rodney Stuckey Rodney Stuckey No. 11 in career Win Shares (22.7). Notable available players ranked above Stuckey in career WS include Marc Gasol (No. 48, 48 WS) and Carl Landry (No. 31, 31 WS).
27 Arron Afflalo Arron Afflalo No. 9 in career Win Shares (26.6). Notable available players ranked above Afflalo in career WS include Gasol and Landry.
57 Sammy Mejia Sammy Mejia never played in NBA.
2008 29 D.J. White D.J. White No. 34 in career Win Shares (3.8). White was traded to SEA for Sharpe (career -0.1 WS, third worst in the draft class) and Trent Plaisted (never played in the NBA).
59 Deron Washington Deron Washington never played in NBA.
2009 15 Austin Daye Austin Daye No. 34 in career Win Shares (4.5). Notable available players ranked above Daye in career WS include Ty Lawson (No. 18, 31 WS), Taj Gibson (No. 26, 23.4 WS), Darren Collison (No. 21, 22.6 WS), and many more. Is this dude really about to win a ring?
35 DaJuan Summers DaJuan Summers No. 57 in career Win Shares (-0.1) - fourth worst in that year's class. Notable available players ranked above Summers in career WS include DeJuan "The Right DeJuan" Blair (No. 37, 19 WS), Marcus Thornton (No. 43, 16.6 WS), Danny Green (No. 46, 14.9 WS).
39 Jonas Jerebko Jonas Jerebko No. 19 in career Win Shares (11.1). Notable available players ranked above Jerebko in career WS include Jodie Meeks (No. 41, 17.6 WS), Thornton and Green.
44 Chase Budinger Chase Budinger No. 18 in career Win Shares (11.2). Budinger was traded to Houston for cash and a 2012 2nd round pick (Kim English).
2010 7 Greg Monroe Greg Monroe No. 2 in career Win Shares (25.4). Notable available players ranked above Monroe in career WS include Paul George (No. 10, 28.2 WS).
36 Terrico White Terrico White never played in the NBA.
2011 8 Brandon Knight Brandon Knight No. 23 in career Win Shares (5.1). Notable available players ranked above Knight in career WS include Kawhi Leonard (No. 15, 19.4 WS, Kenneth Faried (No. 22, 18.9 WS), Chandler Parsons (No. 38, 18 WS), and many others.
33 Kyle Singler Kyle Singler No. 16 in career Win Shares (6.7). Notable available players ranked above Singler in career WS include Parsons and Isaiah Thomas (No. 60, 17.1 WS).
52 Vernon Macklin Vernon Macklin No. 40 in career Win Shares (0.5). Notable available players ranked above Macklin in career WS include Thomas, E'Twaun Moore (No. 55, 2.2), and DeAndre Liggins (No. 53, 0.6 WS).
2012 9 Andre Drummond Andre Drummond No. 3 in career Win Shares (14.4). Nobody drafted after Drummond ranks higher in career WS.
39 Khris Middleton Khris Middleton No. 17 in career Win Shares (3.6). Notable available players ranked above Middleton in career WS include Kyle O'Quinn (No. 49, 3.9 WS).
44 Kim English Kim English No. 37 in career Win Shares (0.2). Notable available players ranked above English in career WS include O'Quinn, Darius Miller (No. 46, 1.3 WS), and Robert Sacre (No. 60, 1.3 WS).
2013 8 Kentavious Caldwell-Pope Kentavious Caldwell-Pope No. 8 in career Win Shares (1.8). Notable available players ranked above Caldwell-Pope in career WS include Mason Plumlee (No. 22, 4.7), Tim Hardaway Jr. (No. 24, 3.1 WS) and Kelly Olynyk (No. 13, 2.9 WS).
37 Tony Mitchell Tony Mitchell No. 27 in career Win Shares (0.2). Notable available players ranked above Mitchell in career WS include Jeff Withey (No. 39, 1.8 WS) and Nate Wolters (No. 38, 1.2 WS).
56 Peyton Siva Peyton Siva No. 56 in career Win Shares (-0.2). All of the players drafted after Siva did not play in the NBA. Sorry KC3!!!

With all of that in consideration, if all of those drafts were redone today based on current career WS:

  • 3 (9.09%) - Rank the same in career WS to where they were picked
  • 5 (15.15%) - Never played in the NBA
  • 7 (21.21%) - Rank worse in career WS than where they were picked (-181)
  • 18 (54.54%) - Rank better in career WS than where they were picked (+258)

When I did the same breakdown for Bower in the other thread, he came out +22 (118-96) over 15 picks. So on average, his picks were 1.5 "spots" better than where they were picked. For Dumars, he's +77 over 33 picks, meaning his picks were 2.3 "spots" better than where they were picks.

However, instead of overall, let's do the busts vs. the bangs. Bower had 8 players who were better than their draft position for a +118, that's an average of 14.75 position improvement for the good ones. Bower also had 4 players who were worse than their draft position for a -96, that's an average of -24 position decrease for the busts. Let's compare this to Dumars. Dumars had 18 players who were better than their draft position for a +258, that's an average of 14.33 position improvement for the good ones. Dumars also had 7 players who were worse than their draft position for a -181, that's an average of -25.9 position decrease for the busts.

What can we draw from this made up data? Possibly nothing. Or, maybe the draft in general is as hit or miss as they say. You're bound to have second rounders out perform lottery picks, and you're likely to have Milicic's and Morrison's who are utter bombs. What say you hive mind?

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