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		<title>By: Ian Cameron</title>
		<link>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2006-04-29/wtf/#comment-1256</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian Cameron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 May 2006 01:44:30 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2006-04-29/wtf/#comment-1256</guid>
		<description>Let's see, 1990 Bulls v. 2006 Bucks...  

;)

Something tells me that loss wasn't so much effort-related.  That was a legit 7 game series against the team that won the championship the next year (much to my chagrin).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s see, 1990 Bulls v. 2006 Bucks&#8230;<br />
 <img src='http://www.detroitbadboys.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
Something tells me that loss wasn&#8217;t so much effort-related.  That was a legit 7 game series against the team that won the championship the next year (much to my chagrin).</p>
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		<title>By: julie</title>
		<link>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2006-04-29/wtf/#comment-1255</link>
		<dc:creator>julie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 May 2006 01:26:44 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2006-04-29/wtf/#comment-1255</guid>
		<description>Ian- 1990 Zeke led the Pistons to a 91-109 loss to the Bulls in game 6 of the Conference finals (they were up 3-2 prior to that game)- you said wanted to know if your memory is clouded...but i'm sure jordan had a lot to do with that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ian- 1990 Zeke led the Pistons to a 91-109 loss to the Bulls in game 6 of the Conference finals (they were up 3-2 prior to that game)- you said wanted to know if your memory is clouded&#8230;but i&#8217;m sure jordan had a lot to do with that.</p>
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		<title>By: Transplant fans should root for the Mavs at Detroit Bad Boys</title>
		<link>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2006-04-29/wtf/#comment-1254</link>
		<dc:creator>Transplant fans should root for the Mavs at Detroit Bad Boys</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 May 2006 15:03:11 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2006-04-29/wtf/#comment-1254</guid>
		<description>[...] I know this issue has come up in the discussions on other posts, and it is frustrating for those of us outside the state, for sure. But I haven't been able to get myself too worked up about this yet. The Pistons/Bucks series has been consistently mediocre, and national interest is low. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] I know this issue has come up in the discussions on other posts, and it is frustrating for those of us outside the state, for sure. But I haven&#8217;t been able to get myself too worked up about this yet. The Pistons/Bucks series has been consistently mediocre, and national interest is low. [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: carey anderson</title>
		<link>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2006-04-29/wtf/#comment-1253</link>
		<dc:creator>carey anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 May 2006 14:13:37 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2006-04-29/wtf/#comment-1253</guid>
		<description>aRChPoPoY  &#62; you maybe right about miami not making it, however I don't see the baby bulls beating them two more games. Miami in 7. Look for Shaquille O'Neal to have a big game when they get back to miami. Plus the bulls lost   T. Chandler so they may hurt them. Anyway we cant worry about them right now. We need to kill the Bucks and get ready for the round. Sorry guys but I am a little worried with all thats been going on, but we will be ok!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>aRChPoPoY  &gt; you maybe right about miami not making it, however I don&#8217;t see the baby bulls beating them two more games. Miami in 7. Look for Shaquille O&#8217;Neal to have a big game when they get back to miami. Plus the bulls lost   T. Chandler so they may hurt them. Anyway we cant worry about them right now. We need to kill the Bucks and get ready for the round. Sorry guys but I am a little worried with all thats been going on, but we will be ok!</p>
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		<title>By: Sexual healing at Detroit Bad Boys</title>
		<link>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2006-04-29/wtf/#comment-1252</link>
		<dc:creator>Sexual healing at Detroit Bad Boys</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 May 2006 01:06:24 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2006-04-29/wtf/#comment-1252</guid>
		<description>[...] &#171; W&#8230;T&#8230;F? [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] &laquo; W&#8230;T&#8230;F? [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: aRChPoPoY</title>
		<link>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2006-04-29/wtf/#comment-1251</link>
		<dc:creator>aRChPoPoY</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 May 2006 00:59:17 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2006-04-29/wtf/#comment-1251</guid>
		<description>carey&#62; that's IF Wade and MIA even gets there! They seem to have some trouble in paradise amongst themselves! Classic GP! I think it's destined for him to never win an NBA championship! 1st LA, 2nd MIA last season? and MIA this season. Cmon GP, time to call it a day and never ever in your wildest dreams join Deeetroit! HAHA...

Btw, did u guys see Kobe and the Lakers today? Maginifico. It would be great if they could eliminate PHX and somehow get SA &#38; DAL to kill each other along the way haha

go Pistons goooooooooooooooooooooooo</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>carey&gt; that&#8217;s IF Wade and MIA even gets there! They seem to have some trouble in paradise amongst themselves! Classic GP! I think it&#8217;s destined for him to never win an NBA championship! 1st LA, 2nd MIA last season? and MIA this season. Cmon GP, time to call it a day and never ever in your wildest dreams join Deeetroit! HAHA&#8230;</p>
<p>Btw, did u guys see Kobe and the Lakers today? Maginifico. It would be great if they could eliminate PHX and somehow get SA &amp; DAL to kill each other along the way haha</p>
<p>go Pistons goooooooooooooooooooooooo</p>
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		<title>By: carey anderson</title>
		<link>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2006-04-29/wtf/#comment-1250</link>
		<dc:creator>carey anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Apr 2006 23:18:30 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2006-04-29/wtf/#comment-1250</guid>
		<description>Well I hope our boys are mad and ready to take care of business the next two games. We need to end this in 5 because we need the extra time for Rip to heal. We will be ok because Mo Williams had the game of his life which will never happen again. Plus the Bucks shot 60% from the floor.I am sure that will never happen again. Plus if and when we meet the Heat when can't take games off like this. Even if Wade is run down. Has anyone notice how many mins. Wade has been playing. Game 1 44mins Game 2 44mins Game 3 41mins Game 4 45mins. By the time the Heat meets us Wade will not have any legs to play superman which they will need to beat us. Its in the stars all we have to do is take care business!


Love This Site! Later
Carey</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well I hope our boys are mad and ready to take care of business the next two games. We need to end this in 5 because we need the extra time for Rip to heal. We will be ok because Mo Williams had the game of his life which will never happen again. Plus the Bucks shot 60% from the floor.I am sure that will never happen again. Plus if and when we meet the Heat when can&#8217;t take games off like this. Even if Wade is run down. Has anyone notice how many mins. Wade has been playing. Game 1 44mins Game 2 44mins Game 3 41mins Game 4 45mins. By the time the Heat meets us Wade will not have any legs to play superman which they will need to beat us. Its in the stars all we have to do is take care business!</p>
<p>Love This Site! Later<br />
Carey</p>
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		<title>By: Fadel</title>
		<link>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2006-04-29/wtf/#comment-1249</link>
		<dc:creator>Fadel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Apr 2006 23:13:31 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2006-04-29/wtf/#comment-1249</guid>
		<description>There were times when I just threw my Prince-bobblehead at the TV in disgust because they should've taken timeouts when they didn't. For example, when Redd made 3 or 4 consecutive baskets , I thought we should've taken a T.O. after his 2nd shot. We didn't even bother doubling Redd at all. 

I think taking timeouts at the right time might be the difference in winning or losing a game. We lost it because neither the coaching staff nor the team showed up last night.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There were times when I just threw my Prince-bobblehead at the TV in disgust because they should&#8217;ve taken timeouts when they didn&#8217;t. For example, when Redd made 3 or 4 consecutive baskets , I thought we should&#8217;ve taken a T.O. after his 2nd shot. We didn&#8217;t even bother doubling Redd at all. </p>
<p>I think taking timeouts at the right time might be the difference in winning or losing a game. We lost it because neither the coaching staff nor the team showed up last night.</p>
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		<title>By: Rhondda Nunes</title>
		<link>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2006-04-29/wtf/#comment-1248</link>
		<dc:creator>Rhondda Nunes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Apr 2006 22:24:29 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2006-04-29/wtf/#comment-1248</guid>
		<description>Fadel: Do you blame the loss on  Flip &#38; the coaching staff if the guys didn't show up to play because they might have been a little over-confident?

We all know you can have a great coach &#38; if the playas don't show up the team ain't entitled to the win, it's not like having Larry Brown has made the knicks a winning club.

just like Ian said,"can you ever recall an Isiah led team putting up such a poor effort?"</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fadel: Do you blame the loss on  Flip &amp; the coaching staff if the guys didn&#8217;t show up to play because they might have been a little over-confident?</p>
<p>We all know you can have a great coach &amp; if the playas don&#8217;t show up the team ain&#8217;t entitled to the win, it&#8217;s not like having Larry Brown has made the knicks a winning club.</p>
<p>just like Ian said,&#8221;can you ever recall an Isiah led team putting up such a poor effort?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Fadel</title>
		<link>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2006-04-29/wtf/#comment-1247</link>
		<dc:creator>Fadel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Apr 2006 21:26:49 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2006-04-29/wtf/#comment-1247</guid>
		<description>Does Flip ever take a timeout at the right time? I remember when Carlisle and Brown would take timeouts the instant they felt we were slipping. Flip can't coach us to win games coming from behind. I blame that horrible loss on Flip and the coaching staff. Period.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does Flip ever take a timeout at the right time? I remember when Carlisle and Brown would take timeouts the instant they felt we were slipping. Flip can&#8217;t coach us to win games coming from behind. I blame that horrible loss on Flip and the coaching staff. Period.</p>
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		<title>By: Sam</title>
		<link>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2006-04-29/wtf/#comment-1246</link>
		<dc:creator>Sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Apr 2006 18:55:42 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2006-04-29/wtf/#comment-1246</guid>
		<description>Well, if you really want, you can come to Milwaukee and make the Bradley Center a run-down Palace, because tickets are still in great supply for Monday.  I found them going from $10 to $110, so any price range will fit.  

On a game note, you guys can rest assured that the Bucks played about as perfect as any team that has ever played the Pistons this year, and that they will neever play like that again.  T.J. turned back into "rookie, pass-first T.J." and left his jumper in the locker room.  If he does that again, the Bucks have a great chance to even the series.  

But Toni Kukoc will probably turn back into a 37 year-old man on Monday and Mo will not go 9-10 again.  You might as well give the ball to Sheed on every play because no one can stop him except himself, which he did yesterday.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, if you really want, you can come to Milwaukee and make the Bradley Center a run-down Palace, because tickets are still in great supply for Monday.  I found them going from $10 to $110, so any price range will fit.  </p>
<p>On a game note, you guys can rest assured that the Bucks played about as perfect as any team that has ever played the Pistons this year, and that they will neever play like that again.  T.J. turned back into &#8220;rookie, pass-first T.J.&#8221; and left his jumper in the locker room.  If he does that again, the Bucks have a great chance to even the series.  </p>
<p>But Toni Kukoc will probably turn back into a 37 year-old man on Monday and Mo will not go 9-10 again.  You might as well give the ball to Sheed on every play because no one can stop him except himself, which he did yesterday.</p>
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		<title>By: Ian Cameron</title>
		<link>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2006-04-29/wtf/#comment-1245</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian Cameron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Apr 2006 15:52:32 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2006-04-29/wtf/#comment-1245</guid>
		<description>It also doesn't help that the Pistons/Bucks series rivals the Mavs/Grizz as the least intriguing of the first round (and thus far has lived down to expectations).  I live in D.C., and were it not for my League Pass subscription, I'd be relying up on you guys and Matt for your takes on the game.

On Ben, that ship has sailed.  Ben needs to know his role on this team; it isn't as a scorer, and his defensive intensity shouldn't hinge on his involvement on offense.  If Ben wants more offense, he needs to be more active on the offensive boards.  10 shots a game from Ben -- especially of the "grazing the front iron" variety -- would be akin to 8-9 turnovers (due to the combination of missed shots and turnovers resulting).

Overall, I'm over Game 3.  I would have liked to see a sweep, if only because I talked so much trash prior to the series.  But a beatdown like this may actually convince these guys that they're in the playoffs now and that they aren't entitled to advancing out of any round.

Perhaps time has clouded my memory, but can you ever recall an Isiah-led team putting forth such a poor playoff effort?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It also doesn&#8217;t help that the Pistons/Bucks series rivals the Mavs/Grizz as the least intriguing of the first round (and thus far has lived down to expectations).  I live in D.C., and were it not for my League Pass subscription, I&#8217;d be relying up on you guys and Matt for your takes on the game.</p>
<p>On Ben, that ship has sailed.  Ben needs to know his role on this team; it isn&#8217;t as a scorer, and his defensive intensity shouldn&#8217;t hinge on his involvement on offense.  If Ben wants more offense, he needs to be more active on the offensive boards.  10 shots a game from Ben &#8212; especially of the &#8220;grazing the front iron&#8221; variety &#8212; would be akin to 8-9 turnovers (due to the combination of missed shots and turnovers resulting).</p>
<p>Overall, I&#8217;m over Game 3.  I would have liked to see a sweep, if only because I talked so much trash prior to the series.  But a beatdown like this may actually convince these guys that they&#8217;re in the playoffs now and that they aren&#8217;t entitled to advancing out of any round.</p>
<p>Perhaps time has clouded my memory, but can you ever recall an Isiah-led team putting forth such a poor playoff effort?</p>
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		<title>By: JustMaz</title>
		<link>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2006-04-29/wtf/#comment-1244</link>
		<dc:creator>JustMaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Apr 2006 15:40:10 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2006-04-29/wtf/#comment-1244</guid>
		<description>LA Mike,

You can call me NY JustMaz. And like you probably, I'm forced to watch NBA TV games drinking brews and eating wings. (I know, twist my arm.) But it still all boils downt to biz mostly:

1. NBA TV is trying to make a push.
2. Pistons ball still considered kinda boring and Bucks such underdogs. (ratings)
3. Local station telecasts compete with TNT/ESPN/ABC feed.
4. Multiple simultaneous games per slot.

Let's just hope NBA TV is relegated to highlights come 2nd round.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LA Mike,</p>
<p>You can call me NY JustMaz. And like you probably, I&#8217;m forced to watch NBA TV games drinking brews and eating wings. (I know, twist my arm.) But it still all boils downt to biz mostly:</p>
<p>1. NBA TV is trying to make a push.<br />
2. Pistons ball still considered kinda boring and Bucks such underdogs. (ratings)<br />
3. Local station telecasts compete with TNT/ESPN/ABC feed.<br />
4. Multiple simultaneous games per slot.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s just hope NBA TV is relegated to highlights come 2nd round.</p>
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		<title>By: JustMaz</title>
		<link>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2006-04-29/wtf/#comment-1243</link>
		<dc:creator>JustMaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Apr 2006 15:31:40 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2006-04-29/wtf/#comment-1243</guid>
		<description>John,

You're absolutely right. And now that I think of it, I've seen games where Ben hit a couple of 14-18 footers and was a lot more involved in the set offense. Now he doesn't even attempt those shots when it counts. Maybe it's a Flip consequence. But I really think it boils down to confidence. His defense and hustle have been immortalized. In the process, have his offensive skills been trivialiazed? Has this gotten to his head? What was the late season outburst really all about? I think on some level, it was frustration over lack of offensive involvement. And remember LeBron goofing off after Ben airballed a FT in the AllStar game? That kind of stuff and stuff in the paper and TV feed this.

I think Ben can become a better offensive player. He certainly has the physical skills. He has good form on his shot, he could improve his ball handling a bit, but there's no reason why he couldn't be a consistent scoring threat. It's all mental. He's already a great finisher, he just needs to be able to do it after making a move or two. Taking and drilling open mid-rangers is a good start. Look what it's done for Dice.

There is no denying your point that his current innefectiveness is hurting us. I have no problems with Ben taking 8-10 shots a night. I wouldn't mind more. I think it's all up to him.

On Last Night: We're all upset, maybe not so much because of the loss but because of the margin. But the Bucks were *really* hot and apart from a stretch very early, we shot bricks. I don't think I've ever seen so many Rip shots that were that off. That combination probably won't reoccur. That doesn't mean the next two games won't be tight. Bottom line, we're better. The only result I can fathom is an awakening and revitilization that produces two straight victories. Go Pistons.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John,</p>
<p>You&#8217;re absolutely right. And now that I think of it, I&#8217;ve seen games where Ben hit a couple of 14-18 footers and was a lot more involved in the set offense. Now he doesn&#8217;t even attempt those shots when it counts. Maybe it&#8217;s a Flip consequence. But I really think it boils down to confidence. His defense and hustle have been immortalized. In the process, have his offensive skills been trivialiazed? Has this gotten to his head? What was the late season outburst really all about? I think on some level, it was frustration over lack of offensive involvement. And remember LeBron goofing off after Ben airballed a FT in the AllStar game? That kind of stuff and stuff in the paper and TV feed this.</p>
<p>I think Ben can become a better offensive player. He certainly has the physical skills. He has good form on his shot, he could improve his ball handling a bit, but there&#8217;s no reason why he couldn&#8217;t be a consistent scoring threat. It&#8217;s all mental. He&#8217;s already a great finisher, he just needs to be able to do it after making a move or two. Taking and drilling open mid-rangers is a good start. Look what it&#8217;s done for Dice.</p>
<p>There is no denying your point that his current innefectiveness is hurting us. I have no problems with Ben taking 8-10 shots a night. I wouldn&#8217;t mind more. I think it&#8217;s all up to him.</p>
<p>On Last Night: We&#8217;re all upset, maybe not so much because of the loss but because of the margin. But the Bucks were *really* hot and apart from a stretch very early, we shot bricks. I don&#8217;t think I&#8217;ve ever seen so many Rip shots that were that off. That combination probably won&#8217;t reoccur. That doesn&#8217;t mean the next two games won&#8217;t be tight. Bottom line, we&#8217;re better. The only result I can fathom is an awakening and revitilization that produces two straight victories. Go Pistons.</p>
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		<title>By: LA Mike</title>
		<link>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2006-04-29/wtf/#comment-1242</link>
		<dc:creator>LA Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Apr 2006 15:07:50 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2006-04-29/wtf/#comment-1242</guid>
		<description>"Maybe there’ll be a bright side: ESPN or TNT picking up Game 4. What is this, the NHL?"

Thank you!

I can't believe this topic hasn't gotten more attention. How can the team generally accepted as the best in the league be relegated to a premium/pay channel?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Maybe there’ll be a bright side: ESPN or TNT picking up Game 4. What is this, the NHL?&#8221;</p>
<p>Thank you!</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t believe this topic hasn&#8217;t gotten more attention. How can the team generally accepted as the best in the league be relegated to a premium/pay channel?</p>
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