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	<title>Comments on: Uncork the forks; Pistons will be alright</title>
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		<title>By: DBB Countdown: 48 &#124; Detroit Bad Boys</title>
		<link>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2006-07-05/uncork-the-forks-pistons-will-be-alright/#comment-145413</link>
		<dc:creator>DBB Countdown: 48 &#124; Detroit Bad Boys</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 21:32:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Wallace gone, whither goest the Pistons? July 5, 2006: Time for Plan C: Nazr Mohammed July 5, 2006: Uncork the forks; Pistons will be alright Or thereabouts. Some reports say Detroit went as high as $49.6 million, but logically if you turned [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Wallace gone, whither goest the Pistons? July 5, 2006: Time for Plan C: Nazr Mohammed July 5, 2006: Uncork the forks; Pistons will be alright Or thereabouts. Some reports say Detroit went as high as $49.6 million, but logically if you turned [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Uncork the forks; Pistons will be alright &#124; Detroit Bad Boys &#124; BradBice.com - Work Smarder, Not Harder</title>
		<link>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2006-07-05/uncork-the-forks-pistons-will-be-alright/#comment-20353</link>
		<dc:creator>Uncork the forks; Pistons will be alright &#124; Detroit Bad Boys &#124; BradBice.com - Work Smarder, Not Harder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jan 2007 01:45:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Uncork the forks; Pistons will be alright &#124; Detroit Bad Boys [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Uncork the forks; Pistons will be alright | Detroit Bad Boys [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Finally: Ben Wallace vs. Detroit &#124; Detroit Bad Boys</title>
		<link>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2006-07-05/uncork-the-forks-pistons-will-be-alright/#comment-16107</link>
		<dc:creator>Finally: Ben Wallace vs. Detroit &#124; Detroit Bad Boys</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Jan 2007 00:50:29 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2006-07-05/uncork-the-forks-pistons-will-be-alright/#comment-16107</guid>
		<description>[...] July 5: Uncork the forks; Pistons will be alright [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] July 5: Uncork the forks; Pistons will be alright [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Layup drill: Zach Randolph edition &#124; Detroit Bad Boys</title>
		<link>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2006-07-05/uncork-the-forks-pistons-will-be-alright/#comment-9195</link>
		<dc:creator>Layup drill: Zach Randolph edition &#124; Detroit Bad Boys</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Dec 2006 15:26:28 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2006-07-05/uncork-the-forks-pistons-will-be-alright/#comment-9195</guid>
		<description>[...] Speaking of Ben, my feelings on his departure are fairly well known. But I'd be remiss if I didn't present the opposing viewpoint as well. Human Victory Cigar has done an artful job of presenting the flip side: that Ben Wallace was a loyal Piston for six years, gave the team its workmanlike identity, and deserves better than being lumped in with Larry Brown, Allan Houston, Grant Hill, and other turncoats. No, I'm not inclined to agree. But I'm lawyerly enough to recognize the merits of both sides. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Speaking of Ben, my feelings on his departure are fairly well known. But I&#8217;d be remiss if I didn&#8217;t present the opposing viewpoint as well. Human Victory Cigar has done an artful job of presenting the flip side: that Ben Wallace was a loyal Piston for six years, gave the team its workmanlike identity, and deserves better than being lumped in with Larry Brown, Allan Houston, Grant Hill, and other turncoats. No, I&#8217;m not inclined to agree. But I&#8217;m lawyerly enough to recognize the merits of both sides. [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: DBB Season Preview: The Association in less than 100 &#124; Detroit Bad Boys</title>
		<link>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2006-07-05/uncork-the-forks-pistons-will-be-alright/#comment-4372</link>
		<dc:creator>DBB Season Preview: The Association in less than 100 &#124; Detroit Bad Boys</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Nov 2006 18:30:20 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2006-07-05/uncork-the-forks-pistons-will-be-alright/#comment-4372</guid>
		<description>[...] Detroit Pistons (1) &#8212; Ben been overrated. Cleveland Cavaliers (4) &#8212; Still not ready. Chicago Bulls (6) &#8212; You needed offense. Indiana Pacers &#8212; Two drink minimum. Milwaukee Bucks &#8212; Villanueva's the answer? [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Detroit Pistons (1) &#8212; Ben been overrated. Cleveland Cavaliers (4) &#8212; Still not ready. Chicago Bulls (6) &#8212; You needed offense. Indiana Pacers &#8212; Two drink minimum. Milwaukee Bucks &#8212; Villanueva&#8217;s the answer? [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: b-unit</title>
		<link>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2006-07-05/uncork-the-forks-pistons-will-be-alright/#comment-2905</link>
		<dc:creator>b-unit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Jul 2006 22:30:06 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2006-07-05/uncork-the-forks-pistons-will-be-alright/#comment-2905</guid>
		<description>I loved Big Ben in Detroit, but this definitely isn't the end for the Pistons.  Chicago can have him, but he won't make them spectacular.  They were already a great defensive team, all he does is add to their defensive strength.  I'm not going to miss his non-clutch-offensive-whatsoever-presence at all.  He can't dribble, can't shoot, and can't shoot a free-throw to save his life.  And, he's 32.  Chicago can have him.  The Pistons may even be better with Nazr.  The Bulls will not be the beast in the East.  Pistons or Cavs will reign supreme.  Hey, is there any way for Detroit to get KG?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I loved Big Ben in Detroit, but this definitely isn&#8217;t the end for the Pistons.  Chicago can have him, but he won&#8217;t make them spectacular.  They were already a great defensive team, all he does is add to their defensive strength.  I&#8217;m not going to miss his non-clutch-offensive-whatsoever-presence at all.  He can&#8217;t dribble, can&#8217;t shoot, and can&#8217;t shoot a free-throw to save his life.  And, he&#8217;s 32.  Chicago can have him.  The Pistons may even be better with Nazr.  The Bulls will not be the beast in the East.  Pistons or Cavs will reign supreme.  Hey, is there any way for Detroit to get KG?</p>
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		<title>By: Dizzle</title>
		<link>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2006-07-05/uncork-the-forks-pistons-will-be-alright/#comment-2904</link>
		<dc:creator>Dizzle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Jul 2006 20:22:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wallace, T. Thomas, Deng, Nocioni, Gordon, Hinrich, Sefolosha, Brown, Duhon..............thanks Isiah!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wallace, T. Thomas, Deng, Nocioni, Gordon, Hinrich, Sefolosha, Brown, Duhon&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..thanks Isiah!</p>
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		<title>By: The Big Lead &#187; blog &#187; The Roundup Hits Double Digits Again, Doesn&#8217;t Call for Backup</title>
		<link>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2006-07-05/uncork-the-forks-pistons-will-be-alright/#comment-2903</link>
		<dc:creator>The Big Lead &#187; blog &#187; The Roundup Hits Double Digits Again, Doesn&#8217;t Call for Backup</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Jul 2006 11:38:19 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2006-07-05/uncork-the-forks-pistons-will-be-alright/#comment-2903</guid>
		<description>[...] The sky is not falling in Detroit, despite the loss of All-Star/enforcer Ben Wallace. This blog is projecting Tayshaun Prince to blow up … which isn’t a bad prognostication. (Detroit Bad Boys) [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] The sky is not falling in Detroit, despite the loss of All-Star/enforcer Ben Wallace. This blog is projecting Tayshaun Prince to blow up … which isn’t a bad prognostication. (Detroit Bad Boys) [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2006-07-05/uncork-the-forks-pistons-will-be-alright/#comment-2902</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Jul 2006 18:00:08 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2006-07-05/uncork-the-forks-pistons-will-be-alright/#comment-2902</guid>
		<description>Since Detroit has no cap room at this point, plus they have cheap-ass owner who won't pay the luxury tax, Flip has to develop the bench from within.  There's a number of thnigs you can blame Flip for, but utterly ignoring the bench guys was his biggest mistake.

Nazr will likely start, so Dyess and Hunter are still coming off the bench.  Trading Mo Evans plus the public support from Dumars seemingly gaurantees Delfino 10-15 mins. at the start of the season, and maybe he can live up to the imaginary hype a lot of people have spontaneously/randomly thrown his way.  Since a 9-10 man rotation is what most fans think is ideal, I have to think that either Maxiell, Blaylock, or Amir Johnson will see a decent chunk of minutes.  

Saunders knows he made a mistake in underutilizing the bench last year, so common sense has to take over, and hopefully this team sees a 9-10 man rotation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since Detroit has no cap room at this point, plus they have cheap-ass owner who won&#8217;t pay the luxury tax, Flip has to develop the bench from within.  There&#8217;s a number of thnigs you can blame Flip for, but utterly ignoring the bench guys was his biggest mistake.</p>
<p>Nazr will likely start, so Dyess and Hunter are still coming off the bench.  Trading Mo Evans plus the public support from Dumars seemingly gaurantees Delfino 10-15 mins. at the start of the season, and maybe he can live up to the imaginary hype a lot of people have spontaneously/randomly thrown his way.  Since a 9-10 man rotation is what most fans think is ideal, I have to think that either Maxiell, Blaylock, or Amir Johnson will see a decent chunk of minutes.  </p>
<p>Saunders knows he made a mistake in underutilizing the bench last year, so common sense has to take over, and hopefully this team sees a 9-10 man rotation.</p>
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		<title>By: ericacannon</title>
		<link>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2006-07-05/uncork-the-forks-pistons-will-be-alright/#comment-2901</link>
		<dc:creator>ericacannon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Jul 2006 17:46:44 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2006-07-05/uncork-the-forks-pistons-will-be-alright/#comment-2901</guid>
		<description>Ben left he's gone, he says it was time for a change.  Money talks,  louder than fans cheer!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ben left he&#8217;s gone, he says it was time for a change.  Money talks,  louder than fans cheer!</p>
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		<title>By: Sonny Barger</title>
		<link>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2006-07-05/uncork-the-forks-pistons-will-be-alright/#comment-2900</link>
		<dc:creator>Sonny Barger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Jul 2006 17:10:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LanierFan ... great point about the six starters mentality.  LB fell in love with it and so did Flip, and they both drew a line after those six which considerably made them look much shallower than they likely were.  Of course, the remarkable health of those guys had a lot to do with it, too, but that doesn't mean you have to play all those guys all those minutes in every meaningless regular season game just to compile wins.  In recent history, the Pistons should know better than anyone that best record hardly equates to titles.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LanierFan &#8230; great point about the six starters mentality.  LB fell in love with it and so did Flip, and they both drew a line after those six which considerably made them look much shallower than they likely were.  Of course, the remarkable health of those guys had a lot to do with it, too, but that doesn&#8217;t mean you have to play all those guys all those minutes in every meaningless regular season game just to compile wins.  In recent history, the Pistons should know better than anyone that best record hardly equates to titles.</p>
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		<title>By: Bobby</title>
		<link>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2006-07-05/uncork-the-forks-pistons-will-be-alright/#comment-2899</link>
		<dc:creator>Bobby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Jul 2006 13:42:25 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2006-07-05/uncork-the-forks-pistons-will-be-alright/#comment-2899</guid>
		<description>No worries Ian, I wasn't really mad about it. I was more trying to ignore what's going on with the Pistons. 

As for the eastern conference:
1) I still don't think the Heat were the best team in the conference this year. But if we learned anything, it's that officiating can take you places talent can't. Don't get me wrong, the Pistons shot themselves in the foot. But Dallas was clearly superior and were about to go up 3-0 when all of a sudden EVERY SINGLE CALL went Miami's way. Throw in Game 5 (maybe the most lopsided officiating I've ever seen in an NBA game) and Game 6 (where the game was close and then a couple phantom fouls were called) and Stern was rejoicing that he didn't have to hand the trophy to Cuban. Anyhow, the Heat will still be alright, but Shaq will clearly lose a little more of his game.

2) The Bulls actually intrigue me a lot. They do have a couple guys who can score, which takes the pressure off of Ben offensively. I also think they'd be willing to run some plays to get him open layups and dunks on occasion. That's something Flip refused to do as the season went on. I don't think Ben's game will ever be as good as it was, and I definitely don't think the Bulls will be #2 in the conference.

3) I think the Cavs and Pistons are pretty even. The Cavs will rely on LeBron with NO supporting cast and the Pistons will rely on a few good guys to collectively play like a star. But the Pistons clearly have NO depth at this point. I hope Delfino looks better this year, because I thought he was atrocious last season.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No worries Ian, I wasn&#8217;t really mad about it. I was more trying to ignore what&#8217;s going on with the Pistons. </p>
<p>As for the eastern conference:<br />
1) I still don&#8217;t think the Heat were the best team in the conference this year. But if we learned anything, it&#8217;s that officiating can take you places talent can&#8217;t. Don&#8217;t get me wrong, the Pistons shot themselves in the foot. But Dallas was clearly superior and were about to go up 3-0 when all of a sudden EVERY SINGLE CALL went Miami&#8217;s way. Throw in Game 5 (maybe the most lopsided officiating I&#8217;ve ever seen in an NBA game) and Game 6 (where the game was close and then a couple phantom fouls were called) and Stern was rejoicing that he didn&#8217;t have to hand the trophy to Cuban. Anyhow, the Heat will still be alright, but Shaq will clearly lose a little more of his game.</p>
<p>2) The Bulls actually intrigue me a lot. They do have a couple guys who can score, which takes the pressure off of Ben offensively. I also think they&#8217;d be willing to run some plays to get him open layups and dunks on occasion. That&#8217;s something Flip refused to do as the season went on. I don&#8217;t think Ben&#8217;s game will ever be as good as it was, and I definitely don&#8217;t think the Bulls will be #2 in the conference.</p>
<p>3) I think the Cavs and Pistons are pretty even. The Cavs will rely on LeBron with NO supporting cast and the Pistons will rely on a few good guys to collectively play like a star. But the Pistons clearly have NO depth at this point. I hope Delfino looks better this year, because I thought he was atrocious last season.</p>
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		<title>By: YMCA Legend</title>
		<link>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2006-07-05/uncork-the-forks-pistons-will-be-alright/#comment-2898</link>
		<dc:creator>YMCA Legend</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Jul 2006 13:37:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lanier said "And if the “six starters” mentality that’s hindered this team’s player development like a slowly contracting ice floe for two years is finally broken up, that’s really good."

This is where I see the positive in all of this.  No longer can the Pistons of the last few years go about business as usual i.e. use the same 7-8 player rotation for seven months.  One person who'll be (hopefully) greatly impacted by Ben's departure is Jason Maxiell.  Like most of the non-starters, Max hardly saw the floor.  But when he did he seemed to do something good - often a nasty throw down.  He tries to dunk everything (which is awesome) but he's also confident in his turnaround jumper - Max's offensive skills are definitely better than Ben's.  He is shorter and he'll never defend like Ben but he's got a nice wingspan and he was a shot blocker in college (3/gm).  I don't know if he'll be able to defend 5's for long stretches but the league is moving to small ball, right?  Anyway, Joe said he was a lot like Ben Wallace when he drafted him so let's see him do his thing.

I'm also interested in seeing what Delfino can do with a consistent 15-20 minutes a game.  Detroit should approach the regular season like Miami did.  Use it to create a deep rotation, increase productivity of the younger players, and establish chemistry.  They have enough talent to make the playoffs without obsessing about their seed.  Improving from within would be something new for Detroit but that’s what has to happen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lanier said &#8220;And if the “six starters” mentality that’s hindered this team’s player development like a slowly contracting ice floe for two years is finally broken up, that’s really good.&#8221;</p>
<p>This is where I see the positive in all of this.  No longer can the Pistons of the last few years go about business as usual i.e. use the same 7-8 player rotation for seven months.  One person who&#8217;ll be (hopefully) greatly impacted by Ben&#8217;s departure is Jason Maxiell.  Like most of the non-starters, Max hardly saw the floor.  But when he did he seemed to do something good - often a nasty throw down.  He tries to dunk everything (which is awesome) but he&#8217;s also confident in his turnaround jumper - Max&#8217;s offensive skills are definitely better than Ben&#8217;s.  He is shorter and he&#8217;ll never defend like Ben but he&#8217;s got a nice wingspan and he was a shot blocker in college (3/gm).  I don&#8217;t know if he&#8217;ll be able to defend 5&#8217;s for long stretches but the league is moving to small ball, right?  Anyway, Joe said he was a lot like Ben Wallace when he drafted him so let&#8217;s see him do his thing.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m also interested in seeing what Delfino can do with a consistent 15-20 minutes a game.  Detroit should approach the regular season like Miami did.  Use it to create a deep rotation, increase productivity of the younger players, and establish chemistry.  They have enough talent to make the playoffs without obsessing about their seed.  Improving from within would be something new for Detroit but that’s what has to happen.</p>
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		<title>By: farlane</title>
		<link>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2006-07-05/uncork-the-forks-pistons-will-be-alright/#comment-2897</link>
		<dc:creator>farlane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Jul 2006 10:56:22 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2006-07-05/uncork-the-forks-pistons-will-be-alright/#comment-2897</guid>
		<description>Let me start by saying NAZR MOHAMMED IS NOT BETTER THAN BEN WALLACE.

Ben played almost exactly 2x the MPG of Nazr. In that time he averaged:
11.3 rebounds, 1.9 assists, 1.78 steals, 2.21 blocks, 7.3 ppg

Double Nazr's stats:
10.4 rebounds, 	1 assist, .5 steal, 1.2 blocks and 12.4 ppg

It's clear Nazr is not the defender Wallace is, but keep in mind he's trying to fill the shoes of a man who played the most relelentless defense for a generation. Defensive ferocity is EXPECTED of the Pistons center and I think that we may see some improved D out of Nazr.

Great observations, LanierFan. I think Boris is just jealous that Billups has a better bobblehead than he does.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let me start by saying NAZR MOHAMMED IS NOT BETTER THAN BEN WALLACE.</p>
<p>Ben played almost exactly 2x the MPG of Nazr. In that time he averaged:<br />
11.3 rebounds, 1.9 assists, 1.78 steals, 2.21 blocks, 7.3 ppg</p>
<p>Double Nazr&#8217;s stats:<br />
10.4 rebounds, 	1 assist, .5 steal, 1.2 blocks and 12.4 ppg</p>
<p>It&#8217;s clear Nazr is not the defender Wallace is, but keep in mind he&#8217;s trying to fill the shoes of a man who played the most relelentless defense for a generation. Defensive ferocity is EXPECTED of the Pistons center and I think that we may see some improved D out of Nazr.</p>
<p>Great observations, LanierFan. I think Boris is just jealous that Billups has a better bobblehead than he does.</p>
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		<title>By: LanierFan</title>
		<link>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2006-07-05/uncork-the-forks-pistons-will-be-alright/#comment-2896</link>
		<dc:creator>LanierFan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Jul 2006 06:59:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For a long time, the Pistons have had Ben Wallace as a crutch. They relied on him to get the rebounds, they relied on him to defend anybody who got past them, they relied on him to provide energy to a team with a laid-back makeup.

Maybe losing that crutch is a good thing.

If the guards have to crash the boards and work harder on their men, good. If the team has to share the load more at both ends, good. And if the "six starters" mentality that's hindered this team's player development like a slowly contracting ice floe for two years is finally broken up, that's really good.

The cliche is that teams without their star often rise to make up for the loss collectively. And Ben was hardly the only star this team had. Look for the naysayers to make an about-face during the upcoming 52-54 win season. And look for Ben to find that it isn't much fun to have Scott Skiles chewing on his ass every day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For a long time, the Pistons have had Ben Wallace as a crutch. They relied on him to get the rebounds, they relied on him to defend anybody who got past them, they relied on him to provide energy to a team with a laid-back makeup.</p>
<p>Maybe losing that crutch is a good thing.</p>
<p>If the guards have to crash the boards and work harder on their men, good. If the team has to share the load more at both ends, good. And if the &#8220;six starters&#8221; mentality that&#8217;s hindered this team&#8217;s player development like a slowly contracting ice floe for two years is finally broken up, that&#8217;s really good.</p>
<p>The cliche is that teams without their star often rise to make up for the loss collectively. And Ben was hardly the only star this team had. Look for the naysayers to make an about-face during the upcoming 52-54 win season. And look for Ben to find that it isn&#8217;t much fun to have Scott Skiles chewing on his ass every day.</p>
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