Marathon match: Knicks over Pistons in three overtimes

Knicks win against the Pistons

Last night’s game with the Knicks wasn’t supposed to happen. I’m serious. This was just another midweek matchup against an allegedly bad team. Detroit was supposed to come into Madison Square Garden, punch in for 48 minutes and leave the building with a win.

On paper, this game had all the appeal of sandpaper. Maybe you planned on catching a few minutes of it when House went to commercial, maybe you hoped to see some highlights later in the evening or maybe you figured a glance at the box score (and a visit to this blog) the next day would tell you everything you needed to know about the game.

Whatever the case was, I’m willing to wager that not once did you consider that this “boring” Wednesday night matchup between the Pistons and Knicks might become something fans will still be talking about 10 years from now. But it was.

151-145. Three overtimes. Two buzzer beaters. Fifty-one points from Rip. Two-hundred ninety-six points scored. And in the end, one heartbreaking loss. But above all, one hell of a game.

It wasn’t quite Suns-NetsDecember 8, 2006: Suns 161, Nets 157 from earlier this month, let alone Pistons-Nuggets from ‘83December 12, 1983: Pistons 186, Nuggets 184, but it was still one of the most remarkable regular-season games I can remember watching.

Things were close the entire game, and even though both teams ripped off impressive runs at various points, the other team always found a way to cut things close by the end of the quarter: the score was always tied or within one point at the close of the first six periods of play.

From the perspective of a Pistons fan, it was frustrating to watch the Boys in Blue Red make countless mistakes down the stretch. If you’re the finger-pointing type, there’s plenty of blame to go around:

  • Rasheed Wallace missed a dunk before fouling out near the end of regulation;
  • Chauncey Billups took horribly ill-advised three-pointers near the end of the first and third overtimes and missed a critical free throw at the end of the second;
  • Carlos Delfino gave Eddy Curry a weak “and 1″ early in the third overtime;
  • Rip Hamilton lost his cool and drew a technical late in the third overtime.
  • Heck, the team as a whole shot just 43.9% while allowing the Knicks to shoot 56.3%.

But you know what? The hell with it. This was still a great game. Detroit made up for their low shooting percentage by killing the Knicks on the offensive glass: Detroit finished with 27 offensive rebounds; New York, 11. And yeah, I think Rip was fouled on his last drive, but Pistons fans are in no position to complain about a no-call.

Carlos Delfino scoopsAnd how about Carlos Delfino? The Dolphin finished with 16 points (6-8 shooting; 3-4 from long distance) in 30 minutes, including a three-pointer at the end of regulation to push this game into overtime. He was only credited with three boards and two steals, but he always seemed to be in the thick of things whenever there was a loose ball on the floor. DBB reader Rocky Cliffs said it best:

He’s been all over the court recently. Not just scoring, but rebounding, scooping, dishing, other cool “ing”s. I think he’s finally won me over.

When Rasheed fouled out, Flip Saunders showed a lot of confidence in Delfino by allowing him to play all but 37 seconds of the first and second overtimes.

And did you see Nazr Mohammed? In 30 minutes of burn he pitched in 18 points and 14 boards, including eight offensive. On a night in which Rasheed never had his touch and Jason Maxiell played less than three minutes (more on that later), Nazr was Detroit’s most consistent low-post option. He hit little running hooks with both hands and was a big reason why Detroit was outscored in the paint by only six points (66 to 60) despite the fact 300-pound Eddy Curry was camped out in the lane and Stephon Marbury was slicing his way to the basket all night long. The same goes for Antonio McDyess, who scored 15 (eight in the fourth quarter), seemingly getting all of his points on put-backs and tap-ins.

Rip Hamilton goes for 51Last but certainly not least, there was Rip Hamilton’s career night. He was Detroit’s most consistent option the entire night, shooting 19-37 from the field and 12-12 from the line. He all but put the team on his back in the second overtime, scoring 10 of Detroit’s 15 points. On a night in which many of his teammates were settling for horrible three-point shots (Tayshaun Prince finished 1-7 from long distance, Rasheed 0-4, Chauncey 2-9), Rip feasted on midrange jumpers and drives to the basket, attempting (and making) just one three-point shot.

With all of the excitement, how did Jason Maxiell get lost in the shuffle? It’s hard to say, but it’s worth mentioning that Detroit was outscored by 11 points in his only three minutes of action before embarking on a 12-2 run immediately after he was pulled. Of course, not all of that falls on him, but he’s an undersized power forward and the Pistons were getting absolutely destroyed by the 6-11, 300-poundGo ahead and believe his listed weight of 280 if you like, but there’s no way this guy is under three bills. Eddy Curry, who scored 21 in the first half before finishing with 33 for the game. Maxiell offers length, but the Pistons needed size, and those two things aren’t always the same.

Since I’ve mentioned just about everyone else I should add that Will Blalock continues to deliver in the backup point guard role while Flip Murray continues to wilt. Murray did get into the game for four minutes, in which time he managed to commit three turnovers and three fouls. Saunders is finally putting his “players determine playing time” mantra into action, and Murray is doing all he can to take himself out of the regular rotation.

For the Knicks, I’m both impressed and disappointed by Curry. Yes, he’s fat, but that’s the point. He can go wherever he wants to on the court and there are only a handful of players in the league strong enough to do something about it. He shot 11-15 from the floor, with the vast majority of his shots coming within five feet of the rim. On the other hand, he remains an extremely sub-par rebounder: in 54 minutes he had seven boards, which is a disgrace given his aforementioned ability to position himself anywhere he wants. Stephon Marbury drives past Chauncey Billups and Rasheed Wallace

Marbury was a thorn all night long with 41 points and eight assists in 51 minutes, and Jamal Crawford took the torch when Marbury fouled out, finishing with 29 points and 11 assists in 53 minutes. And, I want this on the record, David Lee can play on my team any day. He’s relentless on the boards and always provides energy. He finished with 11 boards and 13 rebounds in 46 minutes.

I don’t buy into any supposed disgrace to losing to the Knicks: yes, they’re under .500, but since that little skirmish against the Nuggets a couple of weeks ago they’ve won four of their last five, including three overtime games and three games against legit contenders (Utah and Chicago being the other two). Isiah Thomas has made some bad trades the last few years, but some of the moves he’s made don’t look nearly as bad in hindsight (ie, trading for Curry, drafting Renaldo Balkman) as they did when everyone was laughing at him. Given the potentially dire situations in Philly, New Jersey and Boston, I won’t be all that surprised if the Knicks flirt with .500 this year. Sounds crazy, don’t it? I know, but not nearly as much as it did a month ago.

If you’re still reading this you’ve probably figured it out — this was one fun game to watch. A win would have been nice, but now that I’ve had a few hours to cool off I’m not exactly too torn up about it. The Pistons got a gift from the refs on Tuesday and had karma bite them in the ass the next night. This would have been a good time for one of those four-day layoffs they’ve been subjected to this year, but at least they have a day off before taking on the Pacers at the Palace, and then another day off before hosting the Suns on New Years Eve.

Knicks 151, Pistons 145 box score [ESPN]
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16 Responses to “Marathon match: Knicks over Pistons in three overtimes”


  1. 1 Boney

    I guarantee that I won’t be talking about this early regular season 3OT game 10 years from now, let alone a year from now unless this one loss keeps the Pistons from winning the division this year.

    The Knicks have hit a luck streak which was apparent in “Starbury’s” ability to shrug off Isiah Thomas’ comments and pour in 40 points and that other kid from Arizona to hit a 24 footer at the buzzer. I’ll admit, Delfino’s 3 to tie it up was a little bit of luck on his part too, but come on, a 7 footer stepping back and almost burying a 3 at the buzzer? Only Nowitzki or Garnett are money from there…

    10 years? No. 10 minutes? Maybe.

  2. 2 hack

    Didn’t McHale hit a 3 that was a game winner or near so in the 87 series against us? Game 1 or 2? IIRC, it was something like his 3rd 3-pointer all year, and reinforced the idea that we could never win in the Garden…

  3. 3 Rocky Cliffs

    It was good TV, Boney. I don’t know what you were watching. I was glued to the TV for almost the entire game.

    Good review, Matt. Really good review. Thanks for the quotation, too. This brings me one step closer to being the 2nd unofficial DBB contributor. *insert evil laugh here*

  4. 4 TheMicrowave

    Mchale was wearing black shoes and the arc was black. Chuck Daly swears his foot was on the line, but that was back in the days when a team like the Celts could have an insane home advantage because the number of cameras was limited and we had not entered the age of instant breakdown and analysis via Tivo and the internet.

  5. 5 Tim

    Well my Tivo crapped out at the start of the 3rd OT… but it looks like I just missed the “Bad” period.

    That was a great game. Both teams played very well. Who was that Knick team?

    Carlos… finally had some shots drop - and big ones. Same for Antonio.

    Where the hell was the real Big Shot? Tay needed to stop settling for 3s. These guys were probably tired as hell though… but still.

    Tough loss… but still a great game.

    I’ll close with this… Trade, release, or bench Flip. The guy is a waste of space. I can’t stand this guy. I’ve seen him do the one thing he was supposedly good at doing, tacking the ball to the rack. Instead he dribbles out the clock, takes off-balance jumpers, misses open looks, turns the ball over, passes poorly, and CAN’T PLAY DEFENSE!

    … Get rid of him Joe!

    Whew… I’m done.

    -Tim

  6. 6 Matt Gibson

    If we do trade Flip Murray what should we get for him. I doubt anyone is going to give up their 1st round pick so maybe a 2nd round pick from a team like Boston and any atlantic division team. He’s good but he just doesn’t fit here. It seems like we won’t go after a veteran pg because of Blalock. I doubt we could get a veteran scorer for him (not all gm’s are as stupid as Isiah), so I think we could only get a 2nd round pick for him.

    I’m actually fine with just a pick since 1: Amir will have a uni on and not a suit when gametime comes around, 2: Look at our recent 2nd round draftees. Blalock, Amir, Acker. Blalock is getting time, Amir is a freak, and Acker is lighting it up in Greece.

    So thats what I think will happen to Flip

  7. 7 Boney

    I agree it was good TV, but I’m not gushing over the fact that the Knicks beat our beloved Boys in Blue by saying that this is one that will be talked about in 10 years.

    Hell…

    If you guys remember correctly, remember the playoff game against the Nets where Billups hit the halfcourt shot to send the game into overtime.. you know the game.. where Bill Simmons’ hero Brian Scalabrine was going crazy behind the 3 point line… Now that’s a game I remember because it was exciting… it was exciting because it was a playoff game and had meaning. The Nugs vs. Pistons game was the all-time highest scoring game, that’s why it’s remembered. Other than that, it had no implications on really anything besides regular season won-loss record.

    I’m not saying it wasn’t a good game, it’s just a regular season game. It sucks the boys lost but then again, the Knicks have been on a luck streak lately (see David Lee tip-in where the clock didn’t start until the ball went through the net, at home)…

    oh well… 10 years from now if I’m talking about this game the only thing I’ll wonder is why Billups was shooting so poorly. But then again, Prince went through a poor shooting spell just over a week ago and he rebounded with a solid performance against the Cavs.

  8. 8 Tim

    I’d take a 2nd round pick in a stacked draft for Flip. Give Amir more time.

  9. 9 Kurt

    I guarantee I won’t be talking about it, the Wings drew the night on FSN so I got stuck watching OT on gametracker!

  10. 10 Rocky Cliffs

    Nice point about our 2nd rounders. Dumars knows what he’s doing there when it comes to draft time. Get rid of Flip for a 2nd rounder enxt year and keep giving Blalock some solid PT until Hunter comes back.

    Probably the most fun of last night was the commenting flurry five or six of us participated in. I kept switching back and forth between the TV and the computer. Good times.

  11. 11 TheMicrowave

    We had an insane live chat. 1,985 messages between 10:30 and 11:25 PM. Great point by Boney that this will be one to remember and discuss despite the loss because the drama was so high.

  12. 12 Matt Watson

    Boney — no doubt, this is just a regular season game, and unless playoff seeding comes down to one game, there’s no real significance to it. But in terms of drama and fun-to-watch-ness, it was very, very satisfying.

  13. 13 Rocky Cliffs

    There’s a chat room?

  14. 14 Matt Gibson

    That was fun. There was only one comment until I saw Delfino hit that ot forcing 3 and I said that here and then we just started commenting on everything

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