Archive for March, 2006

More Big Ben contract talk

More of the same regarding Ben’s imminent resigning, from Chris Sheridan’s ESPN chat today:

Mike, Houston TX: What are the chances that the overrated Ben Wallace does not re-sign this offseason with the Pistons?

Chris Sheridan: (1:26 PM ET ) I spoke with Ben about it on Tuesday night. He’s doing his deal without an agent, which has to mean he’s going to stay in Detroit. If he was going to play the market, he’s have an agent do it. He’s more concerned about not having to pay an agent four percent of his contract at this point in his career.

Newsworthy here is Houston Mike’s description of Ben as “overrated”. Well, overrated or not, he’s angling towards two rings. How’s that whole Yao and T-Mac thing going, anyway?

[Sheridan text courtesy of the MLive Pistons Forum.]

Chat wrap: Chris Sheridan [ESPN]

One more: a great recap of Championship #2

I know we’ve been bombarding you with nostalgia this week, but allow me to provide you with one more link. The Basketball Hall of Fame has an amazing recap of the Pistons 1989-1990 season. Here’s a hook:

For the Detroit Pistons, pursuing the 1989 championship had been a do-or-die proposition. They had wanted the trophy that badly. And when the Pistons finally got their golden prize, they embraced it, kissed it, sweet-talked it and danced with it.

But they barely had time to come down to earth when they heard the news: General Manager Jack McCloskey had been forced to leave four players from the roster unprotected in the expansion draft, and among the four was Rick Mahorn, the team’s starting power forward. The 6-foot-10, 255-pound Mahorn had been so much a part of the Pistons’ mind-set that no one had really considered him a candidate.

McCloskey had tried without luck to make a deal that would keep Mahorn in Detroit. When the expansion Minnesota Timberwolves made him their pick, all of Detroit was stunned. Mahorn was devastated, but he maintained his composure. Point guard Isiah Thomas declared that with Mahorn’s departure the “Bad Boys” would be laid to rest.

(Single tear.)

Vote on your favorite ‘Bad Boys’-era Piston!

As much Laimbeer-pimping as I’ve done around here recently, my favorite former-Piston should be obvious. But we’d like to know your favorite of the Bad Boys-era Pistons.

Granted, this is similar to asking someone to choose just one favorite ice-cream (Chocolate Fudge Brownie), or just one favorite Bill Murray movie (Ghostbusters), or even just one favorite Shaq album (definitely, the Kazaam soundtrack), but here are your choices, nonetheless:
The Bad Boys.

Mark Aguirre
Joe Dumars
James Edwards
Vinnie Johnson
Bill Laimbeer
Rick Mahorn
Dennis Rodman
John Salley
Isiah Thomas

So, have at it. Vote for your favorite in the poll at the right of the screen. (And apologies to the legions of David Greenwood fans, who may feel a bit slighted.)

Andrew Bogut = Rasheed Wallace?

Looking for ways to pass the time as the regular season winds down? Well the folks over at Milwaukee Bucks Diary are. While searching for signs of stardom amidst Andrew Bogut’s rookie campaign, they put together a brief but interesting comparison of his freshman NBA stats against those of Mr. Rasheed Wallace, during his rookie campaign with the Bullets. While their conclusion — that Bogut’s rookie campaign has met or exceeded Sheed’s in most stat categories — is supported by the numbers they’ve chosen to highlight, I think the comparison ends there. In my opinion, Bogut is much closer now to his talent ceiling than the extremely raw Rasheed was with Washington. And I’ve never seen Bogut as being on the same athletic plane as Sheed, though I’ll have to admit to some ignorance as to the nuances of Big Australia’s game.

Regardless, Bogut’s potential will face off against Sheed’s production as the the Bucks creep into the crosshairs tonight at the Palace. The Bucks, coming off a big win over Phoenix on Tuesday, are scoring an average of 111.6 over their past five games and leading the league in assists over that period. They also feature former Michigan State Spartan Charlie Bell, filling in for T.J. Ford at the point. Bell, who had bounced around the foreign leagues for the past 3+ years, seems to have finally secured a permanent spot in the NBA, even racking up his first career triple-double in the win over the Suns. Though it’s tough to admit for a Michigan Wolverine, it is good to see the former “Flintstone” done good.

In short folks, while this game may not have been circled in red on your schedule, it should be a fun one nonetheless.

Is Bogut ready for Sheed? Of course not...

Bogut’s rookie season compared to Rasheed Wallace’s [Milwaukee Bucks Diary]
Preview: Bucks at Pistons [Milwaukee Journal Sentinel]

For the new school: meet the “Prince of Darkness”

Who else had the poster?I’m always struck by how many young Piston fans there are nowadays as a result of the current team’s continued success. And in light of this being a relatively slow Piston news day, I’d like to take some time out to provide the kee-ids a brief bit of Piston history. Specifically, I’m speaking to all of you born into the late 80s and early 90s, those only able to remember back to the days of Terry Mills in teal (shiver).

Now I may not be able to wax poetic about the days of Dave Bing and Bob Lanier (I’ll leave that to the gen before me), but I can spin a yarn or two over the Bad Boys, circa 1988-1990. But rather than listen to me preach, I’ll let the below list of quotes — and one famous poster shot — begin to tell the tale of the baddest of the Bad. [And please note: as usual, I’m showing a considerable bias towards #40, Bill Laimbeer. But Detroit Bad Boys would be forever grateful for any additional memories/stories/links/etc. that you could provide on any Piston player or era that you hold near and dear. We all share a common love for the Boys in Blue; therefore, if you feel so moved, hit us up in the comments section.]

Without further ado, enjoy.

Henry Schulman, sportswriter, “If you laid Bill Laimbeer, Dennis Rodman, and the rest of the Detroit Pistons end to end in the Mojave Desert, it would be a good idea to leave them there.”

Bob Costas and Pat Riley, covering a game with the Pistons, at halftime had this exchange:
Bob Costas: “Well, one look at our Cheap Shot Scoreboard shows the Pistons up 8-1. Rodman is having a fine half with five, and Laimbeer is running second with two. What do you think, Pat?”
Pat Riley: “Well, every time Chicago has the ball, five Pistons are committing fouls. It’s as if to say, ‘Well, the officials can only call one at a time, so we get away with four.’ You know, Michael Jordan said before the game, ‘People want to push this kind of basketball out.’ The Bulls are 24 minutes away from doing just that.”

Former Laker, Kurt Rambis, on Laimbeer: “I assume his parents like him. But you’d have to verify that.”

Former Utah Jazz GM, Frank Layden, on Charles Barkley: “I would gladly chip in and pay part of his fines every time he smacks Bill Laimbeer.”

Sportswriter Tim Sullivan, writing about the NBA moving the Finals to pay-per-view: “The NBA Finals is worth about $10 per game unless it involves Michael Jordan ($20) or Bill Laimbeer ($2).”

Sportswriter Jan Hubbard: “Detroit center Bill Laimbeer was considering seeking an injuction against the Olympic selection process because he was deprived of a chance to make the team. Laimbeer said that as a tax-paying citizen, he should have had the opportunity to try out for the team. It would have been great if he could have tried out for the team, because then he would have been excluded on merit rather than logic.”

Ted Davis, longtime announcer for the Milwaukee Bucks, on Laimbeer: “Dirtiest player: Bill Laimbeer. The dirtiest of the dirty. Actually tried to hurt his opponent. Actually tried to hurt his teammates in practice. Was WWF before WWF was cool.”

Davis, again: “Set the best screens: Two. Laimbeer would hit you with elbows and knees. Rick Mahorn, the size of a Winnebago.”

Legendary Piston coach, Chuck Daly, on Laimbeer.”He would drive people insane and then just walk away. He was like Gandhi.”

We’ve posted this one before, but it merits repeating:

Letter from Charles Barkley to Bill Laimbeer, I think in 1989:
Dear Bill,
F*ck You.
Charles

What you see above is just a sampling of the vitriol that most non-Piston fans held for Laimbeer. Hell, Isiah’s broken hand in 1993 was a result of punching Laimbeer in the head…from behind…after Laimbeer had elbowed Isiah in the ribs during practice, so even his own teammates couldn’t stand him at times. He was Public Enemy Number 1 in the league during the years the Pistons were on top, and he reveled in the role. And as fans, we ate it up; because on the court, he may very well have been the devil incarnate — but hey, he was our devil incarnate.

[Edit: Natalie, over at Need 4 Sheed, has posted her thoughts on the original Bad Boys as well, including a great photo collage and video clip. Check out the shots of Laimbeer, wearing the mask before the mask was cool. Also, apparently the folks over at PistonsForum.com have been discussing this topic as well. Glad to see that the memory of these OGs hasn’t faded.]

Quotes above are courtesy of:
Basketball quotes [Block 37]
Bucks’ voice Davis has seen it all [Milwaukee Journal Sentinel]
NBA Daily Humor
Charles Barkley Quotes, 6.0 [Clintcam]

Previously on Detroit Bad Boys:
Keep your hands off my hair-band

Jermaine O’Neal is downright cocky

Jermaine O’Neal talking about the playoffs following the Pacers’ win over the Heat on Tuesday:

“We know, Detroit knows and Miami knows it’s going to be us three. We really feel that way.”

J.O. is talking awfully big for a guy who’s team has lost as many games as its won and is currently sitting as the No. 7 seed. Plus, I’m not sure he should be so dismissive of the Nets, winners of 10 straight and a potential first-round opponent. [Link from MLive.com’s Full Court Press]

Ben + Wallace = Quite Glorious

Introducing the Deluxe Insomnos. Now, bear with me on this one — I can picture a lot of you hitting play and quickly losing interest. But if you let it go for a minute or two it’ll win you over…

Granted, the video has nothing to do with the Pistons aside from the shout-out to Ben and Rasheed in the hook. But don’t you feel just a little bit better having heard it?

Unfortunately, there’s a catch… you probably won’t be able to get that tune out of your head now. Well, who said you have to? If you go to their site you can download the Glorious remix. Personally, I don’t think the remix is as good as the original (are they ever?), but at least you can pop this one into your iPod and listen to it forever. Plus, there are several other tunes from that site you can check out. They’re kind of a cross between real music and a Lonely Island parody — funny but with just enough of a hook to make you want to listen to it again.

I guarantee I won’t be the only one humming this tune the rest of the day — “Ben + Wallace = quite glorious, Rasheed Wallace is… glorious.”

Crazy Crazy — Glorious [YouTube]
Crazy Crazy
Deluxe Insomnos

Cheeks: Pistons better than ‘83 Sixers

Maurice Cheeks has high praise for the Pistons, comparing them favorably to the 1983 Sixers team he was a member of that won the NBA title:

That squad, which went 69-13 in the regular season and 12-1 in the playoffs, featured a starting five of Cheeks, Andrew Toney, Julius Erving, Marc Iavaroni and Moses Malone, with Bobby Jones, Clint Richardson, Clemon Johnson and Earl Cureton as the primary bench players.

Yet Cheeks, now the Sixers’ head coach, admitted that the 2005-06 Pistons, who were 56-14 going into Wednesday night’s game, are probably superior to the Sixers’ title team.

“I think their personnel is a little better — I don’t want to get my boys upset at me or anything — than [we were],” Cheeks said. “They have offensive players that can take over a game — Chauncey Billups and Rip Hamilton. Rasheed Wallace can stretch the defense as well as any big guy. You can’t take Tayshaun Prince lightly.”

One trait those Sixers and these Pistons share is they both seem to be on a mission to win the championship. Detroit earned a title in 2003-04, only to lose to the Spurs in seven games during last season’s NBA Finals.

Incidentally, the comparisons don’t end there: the ‘83 Sixers also had four All-Stars that year: Cheeks, Erving, Malone and Toney. And Jones won the inaugural Sixth Man of the Year award with the Sixers that season, an honor that a lot of Pistons fans feel Antonio McDyess should be in the running for this year.

Cheeks: These Pistons better than ‘83 Sixers [phillyBurbs.com]

Bronx Zoo? Try Manhattan Big Top

The situation with the Knicks is an absolute circus. No, really, it is: Globetrotter has proof here and here.

Outstanding news to wake up to

I’ve had a few readers tell me in the past that DBB is the first site they visit each morning. If you happen to be one of those few (and live in a bubble where you haven’t been exposed to any other medium of news), take a moment to soak this in: abducted journalist Jill Carroll has been released. Go follow that link, we’ll still be here when you’re done.