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		<title>By: 2007 June 04 archive at Detroit Bad Boys</title>
		<link>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2007-05-21/so-cleveland-we-meet-again/#comment-54668</link>
		<dc:creator>2007 June 04 archive at Detroit Bad Boys</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jun 2007 16:39:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] blog to celebrate at. If you&#8217;re confused why your snide comments aren&#8217;t appearing here, read the bottom of this post and realize that I&#8217;m going to have a hair trigger for the next few days.)                     [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] blog to celebrate at. If you&#8217;re confused why your snide comments aren&#8217;t appearing here, read the bottom of this post and realize that I&#8217;m going to have a hair trigger for the next few days.)                     [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Stavro</title>
		<link>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2007-05-21/so-cleveland-we-meet-again/#comment-50141</link>
		<dc:creator>Stavro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 May 2007 16:47:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great bullet points, John. 

- Obsessed with the opponent.
- Not satisfied with merely winning.
- Have to rant endlessly about any success.
- Win or lose, the other team sucked.

I moved to New England a almost 4 years ago, and those points fit Boston Red Sox fans perfectly. Granted that doesn't apply to every individual, but the for overall demeanor, that is an accurate description. I can't tell you how many times someone came up to me after the end of last season's world series and informed me how the Tigers would suck this season. 

I'm glad it's playoff time and that TNT is carrying all the games, so I can actually see the Pistons. The local sports stations are so obsessed with the Red Sox that neither of them even play the local hockey team's playoff games on Red Sox off days, they'd rather play an old game where the Red Sox beat the Yankees. 

I'm picking Pistons in 5. If they play as poorly as they did last night and still win, it can't possibly go longer than 5 games.

Stavro</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great bullet points, John. </p>
<p>- Obsessed with the opponent.<br />
- Not satisfied with merely winning.<br />
- Have to rant endlessly about any success.<br />
- Win or lose, the other team sucked.</p>
<p>I moved to New England a almost 4 years ago, and those points fit Boston Red Sox fans perfectly. Granted that doesn&#8217;t apply to every individual, but the for overall demeanor, that is an accurate description. I can&#8217;t tell you how many times someone came up to me after the end of last season&#8217;s world series and informed me how the Tigers would suck this season. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m glad it&#8217;s playoff time and that TNT is carrying all the games, so I can actually see the Pistons. The local sports stations are so obsessed with the Red Sox that neither of them even play the local hockey team&#8217;s playoff games on Red Sox off days, they&#8217;d rather play an old game where the Red Sox beat the Yankees. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m picking Pistons in 5. If they play as poorly as they did last night and still win, it can&#8217;t possibly go longer than 5 games.</p>
<p>Stavro</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2007-05-21/so-cleveland-we-meet-again/#comment-50097</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 May 2007 13:03:29 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2007-05-21/so-cleveland-we-meet-again/#comment-50097</guid>
		<description>Joe from Cleveland hits the nail on the head.  Cities where the fans have not see titles in a long time can't handle winning teams.  Case study: Colts winning the Super Bowl.  Their fans were so used to making excuses and deflecting when they lost big games that their fans spent more time ripping Bears fans for losing then praising their own team for winning.  All the talk about how the rain was the only thing that kept the Bears in the game, and how much the Bears sucked made it clear about a couple of characteristics of fans from cities that haven't won anything (at least in a long time):
-  Obsessed with the opponent.
-  Not satisfied with merely winning.
-  Have to rant endlessly about any success.
-  Win or lose, the other team sucked.

This would be typical of those fans: "HAHAHA, you LOST!!  It was a seven game series but we should have swept you!  You're lucky every game was close, we should have blown you out every time!!!

Fan from winning team who has winning tradition: "I'm sorry, who are you?  We're moving on.  You're dead to me."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joe from Cleveland hits the nail on the head.  Cities where the fans have not see titles in a long time can&#8217;t handle winning teams.  Case study: Colts winning the Super Bowl.  Their fans were so used to making excuses and deflecting when they lost big games that their fans spent more time ripping Bears fans for losing then praising their own team for winning.  All the talk about how the rain was the only thing that kept the Bears in the game, and how much the Bears sucked made it clear about a couple of characteristics of fans from cities that haven&#8217;t won anything (at least in a long time):<br />
-  Obsessed with the opponent.<br />
-  Not satisfied with merely winning.<br />
-  Have to rant endlessly about any success.<br />
-  Win or lose, the other team sucked.</p>
<p>This would be typical of those fans: &#8220;HAHAHA, you LOST!!  It was a seven game series but we should have swept you!  You&#8217;re lucky every game was close, we should have blown you out every time!!!</p>
<p>Fan from winning team who has winning tradition: &#8220;I&#8217;m sorry, who are you?  We&#8217;re moving on.  You&#8217;re dead to me.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: charles x</title>
		<link>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2007-05-21/so-cleveland-we-meet-again/#comment-49964</link>
		<dc:creator>charles x</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 May 2007 01:54:28 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2007-05-21/so-cleveland-we-meet-again/#comment-49964</guid>
		<description>Especially Miami. God, do I hate the city of Miami.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Especially Miami. God, do I hate the city of Miami.</p>
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		<title>By: charles x</title>
		<link>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2007-05-21/so-cleveland-we-meet-again/#comment-49963</link>
		<dc:creator>charles x</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 May 2007 01:52:50 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2007-05-21/so-cleveland-we-meet-again/#comment-49963</guid>
		<description>First off, it would be championship number 4, motownman. 

Second of all, I respect what disclaimer towards Cleveland fans. It is valid and it needed to be said, particularly regarding their ignorance (while offering a legit reason for it). However...

I was born in Michigan and have lived here all my life. I bleed for Detroit sports. 

That being said, Detroit fans, while being some of the most knowledgeble and well-versed in the country, are also known to be some of the coldest and meanest. Similar to Philadelphia or New York, our fans are smart and passionate (which is what comes from being a four-sport city for the better part of a century) and that has been known to manifest itself as taunts and jeers for any invading team. 

So the bickering of whose fans from what city say which derogatory things seems at least moderately irrelevant. We can concede that a lot of cities act as havens for jackasses.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First off, it would be championship number 4, motownman. </p>
<p>Second of all, I respect what disclaimer towards Cleveland fans. It is valid and it needed to be said, particularly regarding their ignorance (while offering a legit reason for it). However&#8230;</p>
<p>I was born in Michigan and have lived here all my life. I bleed for Detroit sports. </p>
<p>That being said, Detroit fans, while being some of the most knowledgeble and well-versed in the country, are also known to be some of the coldest and meanest. Similar to Philadelphia or New York, our fans are smart and passionate (which is what comes from being a four-sport city for the better part of a century) and that has been known to manifest itself as taunts and jeers for any invading team. </p>
<p>So the bickering of whose fans from what city say which derogatory things seems at least moderately irrelevant. We can concede that a lot of cities act as havens for jackasses.</p>
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		<title>By: JackDutch</title>
		<link>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2007-05-21/so-cleveland-we-meet-again/#comment-49942</link>
		<dc:creator>JackDutch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 May 2007 00:31:21 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2007-05-21/so-cleveland-we-meet-again/#comment-49942</guid>
		<description>game 4 of last year's cavs series was my first post at this site. all to commiserate with fellow pistons fans thru those 3 crappy middle games. memories...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>game 4 of last year&#8217;s cavs series was my first post at this site. all to commiserate with fellow pistons fans thru those 3 crappy middle games. memories&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Tbranch</title>
		<link>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2007-05-21/so-cleveland-we-meet-again/#comment-49940</link>
		<dc:creator>Tbranch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 May 2007 00:15:39 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2007-05-21/so-cleveland-we-meet-again/#comment-49940</guid>
		<description>With all the TNT hype of Tayshaun V. LeBron I'm surprised they didn't use the King V. Prince angle.  Should be good though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With all the TNT hype of Tayshaun V. LeBron I&#8217;m surprised they didn&#8217;t use the King V. Prince angle.  Should be good though.</p>
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		<title>By: Pre-series note to all: &#171; The Mind of Boney</title>
		<link>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2007-05-21/so-cleveland-we-meet-again/#comment-49939</link>
		<dc:creator>Pre-series note to all: &#171; The Mind of Boney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 May 2007 00:11:59 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2007-05-21/so-cleveland-we-meet-again/#comment-49939</guid>
		<description>[...] note to&#160;all:    Unlike my mentors here and here, we don&#8217;t mind trash talk.  Keep in mind one thing though, the more trash you talk, the [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] note to&nbsp;all:    Unlike my mentors here and here, we don&#8217;t mind trash talk.  Keep in mind one thing though, the more trash you talk, the [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: motownman</title>
		<link>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2007-05-21/so-cleveland-we-meet-again/#comment-49931</link>
		<dc:creator>motownman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 May 2007 23:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2007-05-21/so-cleveland-we-meet-again/#comment-49931</guid>
		<description>Pistons sweep! We beat them last year with a half a Rasheed and a unfocused big ben, not this time. The Pistons will get revenge on the CAV's and Spurs while bringing home championship #3!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pistons sweep! We beat them last year with a half a Rasheed and a unfocused big ben, not this time. The Pistons will get revenge on the CAV&#8217;s and Spurs while bringing home championship #3!</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Gibson</title>
		<link>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2007-05-21/so-cleveland-we-meet-again/#comment-49923</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt Gibson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 May 2007 22:16:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does any canadians know what canadian channel it will be on (name of station not channel number) since we dont have tnt?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does any canadians know what canadian channel it will be on (name of station not channel number) since we dont have tnt?</p>
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		<title>By: Akron P</title>
		<link>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2007-05-21/so-cleveland-we-meet-again/#comment-49922</link>
		<dc:creator>Akron P</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 May 2007 22:13:45 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2007-05-21/so-cleveland-we-meet-again/#comment-49922</guid>
		<description>Help me out here: Why is Cleveland such an overwhelming underdog in this series?  

They finished only 3 games behind the Pistons and beat them late in the season in their own house when the division was up for grabs.  

They have competent big men, depth, and they play good defense.    

They have the most explosive talent in the league in LeBron.  

The Pistons have far more pressure on them to win now then do the Cavs. 

Why is everyone so certain the Pistons will win this?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Help me out here: Why is Cleveland such an overwhelming underdog in this series?  </p>
<p>They finished only 3 games behind the Pistons and beat them late in the season in their own house when the division was up for grabs.  </p>
<p>They have competent big men, depth, and they play good defense.    </p>
<p>They have the most explosive talent in the league in LeBron.  </p>
<p>The Pistons have far more pressure on them to win now then do the Cavs. </p>
<p>Why is everyone so certain the Pistons will win this?</p>
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		<title>By: Ohad</title>
		<link>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2007-05-21/so-cleveland-we-meet-again/#comment-49917</link>
		<dc:creator>Ohad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 May 2007 21:35:55 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2007-05-21/so-cleveland-we-meet-again/#comment-49917</guid>
		<description>"please don’t give me a reason to hate your team, your city or your state more than I already do."
....That's just a good note to end the article on.
Detroit in six nothing more and nothing less. and the cavs will steal one in detroit. AND it will be the game i stay up all night to watch.
how's that for a prophecy?!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;please don’t give me a reason to hate your team, your city or your state more than I already do.&#8221;<br />
&#8230;.That&#8217;s just a good note to end the article on.<br />
Detroit in six nothing more and nothing less. and the cavs will steal one in detroit. AND it will be the game i stay up all night to watch.<br />
how&#8217;s that for a prophecy?!</p>
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		<title>By: PunkrockHER</title>
		<link>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2007-05-21/so-cleveland-we-meet-again/#comment-49914</link>
		<dc:creator>PunkrockHER</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 May 2007 21:27:30 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2007-05-21/so-cleveland-we-meet-again/#comment-49914</guid>
		<description>Okay come on now. I am a born and bred Clevelander and proud of it. I have traveled to many different cities to see Cleveland sports teams play and I don't feel our fans are much different than others. I have been yelled at, had items thrown at me just because I was rooting for my team. In Buffalo I was called a Cleveland whore (may be true but they don't know that, it was the middle of winter and I was fully covered). I was harassed relentlessly in Detroit last year with the famed "hey you are a Cleveland steamer" or "hey look its someone from the mistake on the lake". For god sake I wasn't even born when the lake caught fire but people remember it and feel the need to scream it in my face because i'm not rooting for their sports team. Then there are just the straight up hisses and boooooooooooooos as I walk thru different stadiums. That is what happens when you travel onto someone elses turf. It is the nature of sports. I however do not base my view on those cities harassment I have received as a Cleveland fan. At any given game thousands of people were polite while a handful of drunks and/or idiots were not. Okay I am done with the defense mechanism kicking in. 

Here is my theory on who will win:

Cleveland created Rock &#38; Roll
Detroit created Motown

Rock &#38; Roll is more raucus and in your face.
Motown is more rythem and lets dance.

Rythem always beats raucus though it is not easy. Detroit wins it in 7.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay come on now. I am a born and bred Clevelander and proud of it. I have traveled to many different cities to see Cleveland sports teams play and I don&#8217;t feel our fans are much different than others. I have been yelled at, had items thrown at me just because I was rooting for my team. In Buffalo I was called a Cleveland whore (may be true but they don&#8217;t know that, it was the middle of winter and I was fully covered). I was harassed relentlessly in Detroit last year with the famed &#8220;hey you are a Cleveland steamer&#8221; or &#8220;hey look its someone from the mistake on the lake&#8221;. For god sake I wasn&#8217;t even born when the lake caught fire but people remember it and feel the need to scream it in my face because i&#8217;m not rooting for their sports team. Then there are just the straight up hisses and boooooooooooooos as I walk thru different stadiums. That is what happens when you travel onto someone elses turf. It is the nature of sports. I however do not base my view on those cities harassment I have received as a Cleveland fan. At any given game thousands of people were polite while a handful of drunks and/or idiots were not. Okay I am done with the defense mechanism kicking in. </p>
<p>Here is my theory on who will win:</p>
<p>Cleveland created Rock &amp; Roll<br />
Detroit created Motown</p>
<p>Rock &amp; Roll is more raucus and in your face.<br />
Motown is more rythem and lets dance.</p>
<p>Rythem always beats raucus though it is not easy. Detroit wins it in 7.</p>
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		<title>By: Rocky Cliffs</title>
		<link>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2007-05-21/so-cleveland-we-meet-again/#comment-49911</link>
		<dc:creator>Rocky Cliffs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 May 2007 21:13:22 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2007-05-21/so-cleveland-we-meet-again/#comment-49911</guid>
		<description>P. Latch, good to see you sticking around!

My prediction is Pistons in six as well, for the record.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>P. Latch, good to see you sticking around!</p>
<p>My prediction is Pistons in six as well, for the record.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Watson</title>
		<link>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2007-05-21/so-cleveland-we-meet-again/#comment-49910</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt Watson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 May 2007 21:10:38 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2007-05-21/so-cleveland-we-meet-again/#comment-49910</guid>
		<description>Justin: Early in the playoffs, it seems like everyone was remarking about Detroit's "laser-like focus," which YAY picked up on and immediately parodied. I was debating whether I should explain that with the quote above, so I doubt you're the only one confused...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Justin: Early in the playoffs, it seems like everyone was remarking about Detroit&#8217;s &#8220;laser-like focus,&#8221; which YAY picked up on and immediately parodied. I was debating whether I should explain that with the quote above, so I doubt you&#8217;re the only one confused&#8230;</p>
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