Comments on: All-Overrated First and Second Teams http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2007-10-19/all-overrated-first-and-second-teams/ A Detroit Pistons blog Sun, 23 Nov 2008 13:41:52 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.2 By: All-Overrated First and Second Teams | Detroit Bad Boys http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2007-10-19/all-overrated-first-and-second-teams/#comment-146556 All-Overrated First and Second Teams | Detroit Bad Boys Fri, 10 Oct 2008 07:43:15 +0000 http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2007-10-19/all-overrated-first-and-second-teams/#comment-146556 [...] Last year’s edition of the most overrated list resulted in quite a tussle, as legions of fans mounted a furious defense of (snicker) Jason Kidd. I can guarantee you those same fans are now on message boards talking about how the Mavericks won’t even make the playoffs this year. [...] […] Last year’s edition of the most overrated list resulted in quite a tussle, as legions of fans mounted a furious defense of (snicker) Jason Kidd. I can guarantee you those same fans are now on message boards talking about how the Mavericks won’t even make the playoffs this year. […]

]]> By: Mike P. http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2007-10-19/all-overrated-first-and-second-teams/#comment-87839 Mike P. Wed, 24 Oct 2007 20:45:12 +0000 http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2007-10-19/all-overrated-first-and-second-teams/#comment-87839 Nobody mentioned Rashard Lewis yet? Nobody mentioned Rashard Lewis yet?

]]> By: Garrett http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2007-10-19/all-overrated-first-and-second-teams/#comment-87527 Garrett Tue, 23 Oct 2007 17:33:40 +0000 http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2007-10-19/all-overrated-first-and-second-teams/#comment-87527 Wait a minute -- who are all you people? Where am I? Is this DBB? Wait a minute — who are all you people? Where am I? Is this DBB?

]]> By: Some Thoughts http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2007-10-19/all-overrated-first-and-second-teams/#comment-87498 Some Thoughts Tue, 23 Oct 2007 15:14:42 +0000 http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2007-10-19/all-overrated-first-and-second-teams/#comment-87498 [...] 23, 2007Some Thoughts Who can set the court on fire?  Only the Bulls, with his response to DBB’s post about overrated players, specifically the breakdown of Ben Wallace’s performance and [...] […] 23, 2007Some Thoughts Who can set the court on fire?  Only the Bulls, with his response to DBB’s post about overrated players, specifically the breakdown of Ben Wallace’s performance and […]

]]> By: All-Underrated First and Second Teams | Detroit Bad Boys http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2007-10-19/all-overrated-first-and-second-teams/#comment-87420 All-Underrated First and Second Teams | Detroit Bad Boys Tue, 23 Oct 2007 07:41:00 +0000 http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2007-10-19/all-overrated-first-and-second-teams/#comment-87420 [...] his last post, Kevin nearly brought down the DBB servers by unintentionally antagonizing every Jason Kidd fan, family member and booster who’s ever logged onto the internet. Hopefully all the nice things he says in this post will [...] […] his last post, Kevin nearly brought down the DBB servers by unintentionally antagonizing every Jason Kidd fan, family member and booster who’s ever logged onto the internet. Hopefully all the nice things he says in this post will […]

]]> By: Justin http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2007-10-19/all-overrated-first-and-second-teams/#comment-87342 Justin Tue, 23 Oct 2007 01:32:20 +0000 http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2007-10-19/all-overrated-first-and-second-teams/#comment-87342 The fact that Daniel Gibson was the story going into the finals really says little about him and a LOT about last year's finals. Sad, really... The fact that Daniel Gibson was the story going into the finals really says little about him and a LOT about last year’s finals. Sad, really…

]]> By: Dave http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2007-10-19/all-overrated-first-and-second-teams/#comment-87328 Dave Tue, 23 Oct 2007 00:36:57 +0000 http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2007-10-19/all-overrated-first-and-second-teams/#comment-87328 this is the most ridiculous list ive ever seen...including jason kidd on a list of overrated players is THE MOST ABSURD DECLARATION I HAVE EVER HEARD IN ANYTHING BASKETBALL RELATED IN MY LIFE- it seems pretty obvious that ur argument for him is flawed anyways, as u say he carried a team of three "great players" to a whopping 45 wins- but just b4 that u were saying how jefferson isn't good at all, and we all know vince's propensity to dissapear in crucial situations- so u really deflated ur own point by previously suggesting that jefferson isn't even that good- PLUS he missed half the year anyways- also their 4th best player, Kristic, missed almost the entire year- hell i don't even like the nets, but jason kidd is one of the better pgs to ever play the game- i think you will also find deron to become elite soon enough, i guess theres no way to disagree with u on speculation, but asking how its even possible to suggest that his career path will be different from andre millers after a whopping 2 seasons is also just unbelievably flawed- how in the hell could you possibly know his career trajectory after 2 seasons??? i liked JO on the list, and even though im a bulls fan i can agree with wallace from a financial standpoint, but as someone pointed out this isn't exactly a all-overpaid list- and even though im a die-hard Lakers fan i can understand the inclusion of odom, i guess im just hoping he proves u wrong- the inclusion of redd is also pretty ridiculous, although his floor game lacks a bit, this bucks team was devasted by injuries last year, redd included- with the lack of injury notations on this list i would be shocked to discover u actually watched much basketball at all this is the most ridiculous list ive ever seen…including jason kidd on a list of overrated players is THE MOST ABSURD DECLARATION I HAVE EVER HEARD IN ANYTHING BASKETBALL RELATED IN MY LIFE- it seems pretty obvious that ur argument for him is flawed anyways, as u say he carried a team of three “great players” to a whopping 45 wins- but just b4 that u were saying how jefferson isn’t good at all, and we all know vince’s propensity to dissapear in crucial situations- so u really deflated ur own point by previously suggesting that jefferson isn’t even that good- PLUS he missed half the year anyways- also their 4th best player, Kristic, missed almost the entire year- hell i don’t even like the nets, but jason kidd is one of the better pgs to ever play the game- i think you will also find deron to become elite soon enough, i guess theres no way to disagree with u on speculation, but asking how its even possible to suggest that his career path will be different from andre millers after a whopping 2 seasons is also just unbelievably flawed- how in the hell could you possibly know his career trajectory after 2 seasons??? i liked JO on the list, and even though im a bulls fan i can agree with wallace from a financial standpoint, but as someone pointed out this isn’t exactly a all-overpaid list- and even though im a die-hard Lakers fan i can understand the inclusion of odom, i guess im just hoping he proves u wrong- the inclusion of redd is also pretty ridiculous, although his floor game lacks a bit, this bucks team was devasted by injuries last year, redd included- with the lack of injury notations on this list i would be shocked to discover u actually watched much basketball at all

]]> By: Lets be Serious http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2007-10-19/all-overrated-first-and-second-teams/#comment-87321 Lets be Serious Tue, 23 Oct 2007 00:03:39 +0000 http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2007-10-19/all-overrated-first-and-second-teams/#comment-87321 Iverson and K.G are 1st ballot H.O.F. And the only person that thinks Bynum is good is Lakers front office, Therefor not overratted, 98.6% of people would not pick him to begin with. And while M. Redd is a soild shooter, thats all he is, a solid shooter. Iverson and K.G are 1st ballot H.O.F. And the only person that thinks Bynum is good is Lakers front office, Therefor not overratted, 98.6% of people would not pick him to begin with. And while M. Redd is a soild shooter, thats all he is, a solid shooter.

]]> By: LawyerBoy http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2007-10-19/all-overrated-first-and-second-teams/#comment-87320 LawyerBoy Mon, 22 Oct 2007 23:58:32 +0000 http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2007-10-19/all-overrated-first-and-second-teams/#comment-87320 While I very much agree with Sauce that this thread has jumped the shark, 118 (now 119) posts on a thread at DBB, and a thread that was mentioned on ESPN.com (technically TrueHoop) and one that features an abundance of non-Pistons fans? Very impressive. I think we should stop and give a kudos to Mr. Kevin Sawyer *polite applause*. As for weighing in on the topic, gotta go with Sauce and say it's jumped the shark so no need. While I very much agree with Sauce that this thread has jumped the shark, 118 (now 119) posts on a thread at DBB, and a thread that was mentioned on ESPN.com (technically TrueHoop) and one that features an abundance of non-Pistons fans? Very impressive. I think we should stop and give a kudos to Mr. Kevin Sawyer *polite applause*. As for weighing in on the topic, gotta go with Sauce and say it’s jumped the shark so no need.

]]> By: mike rotch http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2007-10-19/all-overrated-first-and-second-teams/#comment-87307 mike rotch Mon, 22 Oct 2007 23:18:08 +0000 http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2007-10-19/all-overrated-first-and-second-teams/#comment-87307 list sucks kidd, monta, deron, and camby are not overated my list. pg. iverson sg. hamilton sf. jefferson pf. kevin garnett c. bynum list sucks kidd, monta, deron, and camby are not overated
my list.

pg. iverson
sg. hamilton
sf. jefferson
pf. kevin garnett
c. bynum

]]> By: Phil http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2007-10-19/all-overrated-first-and-second-teams/#comment-87306 Phil Mon, 22 Oct 2007 23:07:25 +0000 http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2007-10-19/all-overrated-first-and-second-teams/#comment-87306 Detroit Pistons Record 2005-2006(With B. Wallace) 64-18 2006-2007(Without B. Wallace) 53-29 (minus 11) Chicago Bulls Record 2005-2006(Without B. Wallace) 41-41 2006-2007(With B. Wallace) 49-33 (Plus 8) L. James dropping 25 straight uncontested Points: Priceless You think Big Ben would have let that happen? Detroit Pistons Record

2005-2006(With B. Wallace) 64-18
2006-2007(Without B. Wallace) 53-29
(minus 11)

Chicago Bulls Record

2005-2006(Without B. Wallace) 41-41
2006-2007(With B. Wallace) 49-33
(Plus 8)

L. James dropping 25 straight uncontested Points: Priceless

You think Big Ben would have let that happen?

]]> By: Mark It Zero http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2007-10-19/all-overrated-first-and-second-teams/#comment-87305 Mark It Zero Mon, 22 Oct 2007 23:05:08 +0000 http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2007-10-19/all-overrated-first-and-second-teams/#comment-87305 Let it never be forgotten that there once was a team that started Kerry Kittles, Todd MacCullough, and Kieth Van Horn that reached the NBA Finals. This same team feature Aaron Williams, Lucious Harris, and Jason Collins as prominent rotation players. Jason Kidd is not overrated, he is a first-ballot hall of famer. Let it never be forgotten that there once was a team that started Kerry Kittles, Todd MacCullough, and Kieth Van Horn that reached the NBA Finals. This same team feature Aaron Williams, Lucious Harris, and Jason Collins as prominent rotation players. Jason Kidd is not overrated, he is a first-ballot hall of famer.

]]> By: Sauce http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2007-10-19/all-overrated-first-and-second-teams/#comment-87296 Sauce Mon, 22 Oct 2007 22:38:53 +0000 http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2007-10-19/all-overrated-first-and-second-teams/#comment-87296 This post has officially jumped the shark. Kidd's solid, but one could put Billups, Nash, or any over-30 point guard in that slot and make a case for it. You drama llamas. All of them are great players, even if they are overrated. Redd plays defense? He never did that every time Detroit's smoked his team and I watched it with glee. Just like Yi probably won't be doing as many windmill dunks as he does in NBA 2k8. Redd's about the same as Ray Allen. He didn't play D that well, either. Marcus Camby can't stay healthy. Over his career, he averages 56 games per year during the regular season. One could say the same for Allen Iverson. Ben Wallace is clearly overrated. He's not worth 60 million. He helped Chicago to a next round of playoffs. He'll be helping himself to more bench as his wrist problem will never get better because he refuses to miss time to get it reconstructed. He was a broken player when Detroit landed him. Detroit milked him for plenty of production. Chicago's paying him the retirement money. Thanks for that. This post has officially jumped the shark.

Kidd’s solid, but one could put Billups, Nash, or any over-30 point guard in that slot and make a case for it. You drama llamas. All of them are great players, even if they are overrated.

Redd plays defense? He never did that every time Detroit’s smoked his team and I watched it with glee. Just like Yi probably won’t be doing as many windmill dunks as he does in NBA 2k8.

Redd’s about the same as Ray Allen. He didn’t play D that well, either.

Marcus Camby can’t stay healthy. Over his career, he averages 56 games per year during the regular season. One could say the same for Allen Iverson.

Ben Wallace is clearly overrated. He’s not worth 60 million. He helped Chicago to a next round of playoffs. He’ll be helping himself to more bench as his wrist problem will never get better because he refuses to miss time to get it reconstructed. He was a broken player when Detroit landed him. Detroit milked him for plenty of production. Chicago’s paying him the retirement money. Thanks for that.

]]> By: dmet http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2007-10-19/all-overrated-first-and-second-teams/#comment-87295 dmet Mon, 22 Oct 2007 22:35:28 +0000 http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2007-10-19/all-overrated-first-and-second-teams/#comment-87295 not the dumbest thing ever posted at dbb -- that honor remains with ian, on multiple counts -- but this is right up there. jason kidd, over-rated. yeah right. only someone not writing seriously, or a clueless asshat, would float that. in an age of incredible scrutiny, few players are truly over-rated by anyone other than half-drunk fans talking shit in bars and livingrooms... which is where this article should have begun and ended. not the dumbest thing ever posted at dbb — that honor remains with ian, on multiple counts — but this is right up there.

jason kidd, over-rated. yeah right. only someone not writing seriously, or a clueless asshat, would float that.

in an age of incredible scrutiny, few players are truly over-rated by anyone other than half-drunk fans talking shit in bars and livingrooms… which is where this article should have begun and ended.

]]> By: Andy Buyea http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2007-10-19/all-overrated-first-and-second-teams/#comment-87291 Andy Buyea Mon, 22 Oct 2007 22:27:21 +0000 http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2007-10-19/all-overrated-first-and-second-teams/#comment-87291 Money gets thrown around the NBA all the time. There are tons of bad contracts all around the league, that doesn't necessarily mean people consider them overrated. I would throw that money at a guy who shoots that well too, especially when they would have lost him for nothing to the Cavs... Money gets thrown around the NBA all the time. There are tons of bad contracts all around the league, that doesn’t necessarily mean people consider them overrated. I would throw that money at a guy who shoots that well too, especially when they would have lost him for nothing to the Cavs…

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