Comments on: All-Underrated First and Second Teams

By: P.Latch

P.Latch — Mon, 29 Oct 2007 19:13:47 +0000

Nazr made my list as #1 here:
http://www.bullslive.com/2007/10/29/pre-season-player-adjusted-rankings/

The list rates (based on the pre-season) who is helping out their respective team the most, in a statistical way. Thus, I must retract my comment about Nazr making your underrated list.

By: P.Latch

P.Latch — Mon, 29 Oct 2007 19:13:23 +0000

Nazr made my list as #1 here:
http://www.bullslive.com/2007/10/29/pre-season-player-adjusted-rankings/

The list rates (based on the pre-season) who is helping out their respective team the most, in a statistical way.

By: Ohad

Ohad — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 17:27:42 +0000

rheemansum, if you hate detroit why read this?
but other than that i think including anthony parker is correct. he’s a great defender and good shooter and the best thing about him is he is grateful for whatever he gets. i’m a little biased since i’ve loved seeing him play since he played for macabi tel aviv BUT he used to do it all here. he was the euroleague MVP and they turned him into a 3pt shooter and you don’t hear a word coming out of his mouth. he does the job and has nothing but good things to say about it. plus he plays like 40mins a game over there with hardly any injuries.
another guy i’d add is ray allen. i know he’s part of the ‘big three’ but people don’t get that he’s a solid 20pts a night player for over 8 years. same as parker he’s quiet and doesnät shoot his mouth off at anything

By: Kyle

Kyle — Wed, 24 Oct 2007 15:52:39 +0000

I’m glad you put Nazr on the list. Most Pistons fans who hate him have no reason to, I think they just made him worse in their minds to help justify excitement over Webber’s broken down contributions. All I have to say is that Nazr won a championship as a starter, that’s something Webber will never get to say.

By: rheemansum

rheemansum — Wed, 24 Oct 2007 03:09:36 +0000

i’m going to agree with lawyer boy on jason maxiell (i’m saying this as a pistons hater). Outside of his poor free-throw shooting, the rest of his game is pretty solid, from defense to shooting. i think he could have bumped paul millsap from the list.

I’m a little hesitant to say Al Jefferson, with all the hype that came out during the kevin garnett trade, but i’m going to nominate him to bump nazr off the list. i think he’s in that top tier of big men that you can expect a 20-10-2 performance out of on a consistent basis.

Walter Herrmann for small forward. This guy struggled early during last season, but when he became more comfortable with the nba, and got more minutes he put up some pretty solid numbers with pretty high efficiency, averaging about 15ppg on over 55% shooting in the final two months and 50% shooting from downtown. you made a pretty strong case for gerald wallace and josh smith, both of whom i agree are underrated, so i’m unsure whether herrmann should crack the list.

lastly i’m going to say anthony parker for shooting guard. he isn’t a flashy guy that puts up huge numbers, but, along with calderon, i think he’s one of the unsung heroes of toronto’s success. he plays great defense, plays with great efficiency, with high percentages in shooting, 3 pointers, and free throw shooting, and rarely turns the ball over. on top of it all, nobody even mentions his name when talking about toronto.

By: RimCheck

RimCheck — Wed, 24 Oct 2007 02:55:03 +0000

Eh bai. Corey “Get Mine” Maggette? A tremendous scorer certainly but that’s about it. Known to break plays and is a bigger black hole than Eddie House. People have been hyping this guy up since he came out of Duke and what has he done besides get hurt? This list can’t be considered legit unless Mo Williams name is on it.

By: Birdman

Birdman — Wed, 24 Oct 2007 02:35:38 +0000

I’m kind of flattered that PG4L agrees with the awards I mentioned.

By: LawyerBoy

LawyerBoy — Tue, 23 Oct 2007 23:34:55 +0000

I love the inclusion of Nazr. I’m one of his staunchest defenders around these parts. He’s a solid player and everyone (especially Pistons fans) tend to come down so hard on him. My friends and I have been aware of Paul Millsap and Josh Smith for a minute, so I have a hard time reconciling the idea of them not getting any love, but I suppose they don’t in a general sense. I’m fairly apathetic about the rest of the list (questioning only maybe Maggette not on talent, but production/attitude) but guys that come to mind for me that seem underrated: Darius Songalia (barely even noticed at all by anyone, and I like how he plays solid off-the-bench ball), Hedo Turkoglu, Chucky Atkins (I think he does a solidly better than average job and hardly ever gets credit/attention for such), Linas Kleiza (works really hard and is finally at least starting to get some credit), and Jason Maxiell (not on DBB, I’m saying nationally speaking where he gets NO love). Those are just what come to mind for me.

By: Diablo

Diablo — Tue, 23 Oct 2007 23:26:04 +0000

“This should make fewer people angry…”

Yes it does, where’s Jason Kidd? He has averaged less than 15 points a game for the last 4 seasons, come on now!

By: joejoejoe

joejoejoe — Tue, 23 Oct 2007 22:21:10 +0000

My All-Underrated team -

PG - Delonte West SEA: more of a combo guard but strong and tough on D
SG - Damien Wilkins SEA: shoots a good 3-pt FG% and FT%, strong
SF - Trevor Ariza ORL: Magic tanked last year when he was hurt, great D
PF - David West NOH: steady 18 pts., 8 reb.
C - Brendan Haywood WAS: shot blocker, rebounder, good interior D

By: Pistons_Fan_in_Chicago

Pistons_Fan_in_Chicago — Tue, 23 Oct 2007 21:33:24 +0000

Although he receives accolades, I think Josh Howard should be included on this list. Great defender and a great option on the Dallas offense.

By: PistonsGirl4Life

PistonsGirl4Life — Tue, 23 Oct 2007 20:42:29 +0000

As an aside however, how anyone can keep picking Wilt over Bill is beyond me. Sure Wilt was more physically gifted but just like we’ve been arguing in like 5 other threads atm it doesn’t MEAN anything if one doesn’t put it all together. Russell was the single greatest winner in the history of the NBA, forget position. That automatically makes him the best 5 in history.

By: PistonsGirl4Life

PistonsGirl4Life — Tue, 23 Oct 2007 20:40:10 +0000

This could be an internet first but I actually agree with you on every single award mentioned.

No sarcasm intended, imho he absolutely nailed all four.

By: Birdman

Birdman — Tue, 23 Oct 2007 20:25:45 +0000

I’ve never understood the whole underrated and overrated thing. It seems to me that the only way to do it even somewhat objectively would be to look at award voting (All-Star, All-NBA, Defensive Player of the Year, 6th Man of the Year, Most Improved, Rookie of the Year, MVP, and Hall of Fame) and decide who got snubbed and who got a gift. Apart from that, all anyone can do is claim that some vague “they” view players less than accurately.

For example, I think that Shawn Marion should have won Defensive Player of the Year instead of Marcus Camby. I think that Shaq should have been MVP the first year Nash won. I think that Duncan should have been MVP the second year Nash won. I think Nash should have been MVP this year.

I suppose you could also address all-time player rankings. For example, a lot of people would say that Shaq is the best center ever. Personally, I think he’s top 5 (give me Wilt, Kareem, and Russell, in that order).

By: Garrett

Garrett — Tue, 23 Oct 2007 17:44:10 +0000

Weird list. Jose Calderon? Really?