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	<title>Comments on: Chicago bullies Pistons</title>
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		<title>By: PDXPistonsFan</title>
		<link>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2007-11-09/chicago-bullies-pistons/#comment-93322</link>
		<dc:creator>PDXPistonsFan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Nov 2007 18:01:29 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2007-11-09/chicago-bullies-pistons/#comment-93322</guid>
		<description>Did ya'll seriously not see this L coming?  I want them to win every game, too, but if there's such a thing as a must-win in the first half of the season, this was it for the Bulls.  They've been losing because they were distracted by the Kobe rumors, not because they're a bad team.  So they found their focus against the team that knocked them out of the playoffs last year.  I expected them to play with energy and intensity, and from the POV of the radio broadcast, they did.  They also got shots to fall while we struggled from the line early.  They will brush themselves off and get about the business of coming home from an early, long road trip with a decent record.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did ya&#8217;ll seriously not see this L coming?  I want them to win every game, too, but if there&#8217;s such a thing as a must-win in the first half of the season, this was it for the Bulls.  They&#8217;ve been losing because they were distracted by the Kobe rumors, not because they&#8217;re a bad team.  So they found their focus against the team that knocked them out of the playoffs last year.  I expected them to play with energy and intensity, and from the POV of the radio broadcast, they did.  They also got shots to fall while we struggled from the line early.  They will brush themselves off and get about the business of coming home from an early, long road trip with a decent record.</p>
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		<title>By: Quick Darshan</title>
		<link>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2007-11-09/chicago-bullies-pistons/#comment-92965</link>
		<dc:creator>Quick Darshan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Nov 2007 01:03:51 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2007-11-09/chicago-bullies-pistons/#comment-92965</guid>
		<description>People,

You can't cry out "COMPLACENCY!" every time the team falls behind in the first quarter.  The Bulls are a great team playing at home.  That being said, some thoughts:

The Bulls offense is awful with Ben Wallace in the lineup.  They really need all five players to be scorers.

We should tweak our pick-and-roll defense against Chicago.  Perhaps have another wing slide over to help so our older bigs don't have to step over the screen and then race Tyrus Thomas and Joakim Noah back to the basket.  Better rotation from the other bigs would help too.

Bad defensive rebounding.

No movement.  Someone asked if you can have too many scorers.  No.  And you especially can't have too many players that can shoot and pass selflessly.  The problem is there's no movement.  In their desire to exploit mismatches, they end up having one guy posting up and everyone else standing around.  If we ran an offense like the Jazz or the Lakers I think the team would be unstoppable.

Boy, I hope you guys are right about Amir Johnson.  If he can be as good as Tyrus Thomas (who I despise, by the way), I'll be very happy.

Any thoughts on who will be the first NBA player to knock Joakim Noah out?  Ruben Patterson?  Artest?  Stephen Jackson?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People,</p>
<p>You can&#8217;t cry out &#8220;COMPLACENCY!&#8221; every time the team falls behind in the first quarter.  The Bulls are a great team playing at home.  That being said, some thoughts:</p>
<p>The Bulls offense is awful with Ben Wallace in the lineup.  They really need all five players to be scorers.</p>
<p>We should tweak our pick-and-roll defense against Chicago.  Perhaps have another wing slide over to help so our older bigs don&#8217;t have to step over the screen and then race Tyrus Thomas and Joakim Noah back to the basket.  Better rotation from the other bigs would help too.</p>
<p>Bad defensive rebounding.</p>
<p>No movement.  Someone asked if you can have too many scorers.  No.  And you especially can&#8217;t have too many players that can shoot and pass selflessly.  The problem is there&#8217;s no movement.  In their desire to exploit mismatches, they end up having one guy posting up and everyone else standing around.  If we ran an offense like the Jazz or the Lakers I think the team would be unstoppable.</p>
<p>Boy, I hope you guys are right about Amir Johnson.  If he can be as good as Tyrus Thomas (who I despise, by the way), I&#8217;ll be very happy.</p>
<p>Any thoughts on who will be the first NBA player to knock Joakim Noah out?  Ruben Patterson?  Artest?  Stephen Jackson?</p>
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		<title>By: Matt C.</title>
		<link>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2007-11-09/chicago-bullies-pistons/#comment-92951</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt C.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2007 23:38:59 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2007-11-09/chicago-bullies-pistons/#comment-92951</guid>
		<description>The Bulls being at 0-4 were bound to win a game against no matter who they played. Then add us at 3-0 and we probably didn't give it everything we could have going against a team without a win. With us being the team who eliminated them in the playoffs and being 0-4, how can not expect the Bulls to give you everything they got.

I know it's hard to put the bench in the game while you are down, but I think we needed more bench minutes. We lacked the energy off the bench,  the bench barely got any minutes.

Can you have too many scorers out on the court? If you can, we might. I'd like to keep Rip and Prince from being on the court together to much, and see how that works. Prince was great without Rip here, I think we have to many scoring options when both of them are out there. Put a shotblocker/postup player (Maxiell, Nazr, and Amir) out there so we can get some better use out of Prince.

Flip Murray can score and is great off the bench, just please stop putting him at point guard. Flip can't play as an effective point guard, period. When Flip is on the court, please make sure someone else at PG. Price looked great at PG, and with the matchup problems his length causes, it makes it even better. How long is it going to take them to figure this out?

It's no surprise when we are down, Saunders forgets to use the bench.
You can't expect to get much out of the bench, when you don't let them play. Now if we played some better defense and used our bench's young guys to outrun the Bulls we probably would have won. Let's just hope he remember we have a bench against the Clippers ... maybe even call a timeout when we look lost out there to remind them to focus and play with intensity. If it wasn't for Sheed that would have been much worse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Bulls being at 0-4 were bound to win a game against no matter who they played. Then add us at 3-0 and we probably didn&#8217;t give it everything we could have going against a team without a win. With us being the team who eliminated them in the playoffs and being 0-4, how can not expect the Bulls to give you everything they got.</p>
<p>I know it&#8217;s hard to put the bench in the game while you are down, but I think we needed more bench minutes. We lacked the energy off the bench,  the bench barely got any minutes.</p>
<p>Can you have too many scorers out on the court? If you can, we might. I&#8217;d like to keep Rip and Prince from being on the court together to much, and see how that works. Prince was great without Rip here, I think we have to many scoring options when both of them are out there. Put a shotblocker/postup player (Maxiell, Nazr, and Amir) out there so we can get some better use out of Prince.</p>
<p>Flip Murray can score and is great off the bench, just please stop putting him at point guard. Flip can&#8217;t play as an effective point guard, period. When Flip is on the court, please make sure someone else at PG. Price looked great at PG, and with the matchup problems his length causes, it makes it even better. How long is it going to take them to figure this out?</p>
<p>It&#8217;s no surprise when we are down, Saunders forgets to use the bench.<br />
You can&#8217;t expect to get much out of the bench, when you don&#8217;t let them play. Now if we played some better defense and used our bench&#8217;s young guys to outrun the Bulls we probably would have won. Let&#8217;s just hope he remember we have a bench against the Clippers &#8230; maybe even call a timeout when we look lost out there to remind them to focus and play with intensity. If it wasn&#8217;t for Sheed that would have been much worse.</p>
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		<title>By: Ohad</title>
		<link>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2007-11-09/chicago-bullies-pistons/#comment-92931</link>
		<dc:creator>Ohad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2007 21:41:16 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2007-11-09/chicago-bullies-pistons/#comment-92931</guid>
		<description>I don't even care about the loss. it was bound to happen. it's the time distribution that gets me.
If he's gonna burn up the starters to get home court advantage just to waste it on a tired group of people losing the playoffs than how far have we come from last year?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t even care about the loss. it was bound to happen. it&#8217;s the time distribution that gets me.<br />
If he&#8217;s gonna burn up the starters to get home court advantage just to waste it on a tired group of people losing the playoffs than how far have we come from last year?</p>
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		<title>By: kevin s.</title>
		<link>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2007-11-09/chicago-bullies-pistons/#comment-92911</link>
		<dc:creator>kevin s.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2007 20:27:06 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2007-11-09/chicago-bullies-pistons/#comment-92911</guid>
		<description>"Ok, maybe. Why are we falling behind to an 0-4 team in the first quarter?"

Because they are also a 50 win team that plays like a 60 win team at home.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Ok, maybe. Why are we falling behind to an 0-4 team in the first quarter?&#8221;</p>
<p>Because they are also a 50 win team that plays like a 60 win team at home.</p>
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		<title>By: Sauce1977</title>
		<link>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2007-11-09/chicago-bullies-pistons/#comment-92908</link>
		<dc:creator>Sauce1977</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2007 20:19:39 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2007-11-09/chicago-bullies-pistons/#comment-92908</guid>
		<description>Decent game.  Both teams still have solid defense.  Chicago's about the same.  This was one of those regular-season-level games for both clubs.

What I noticed . . . 

By now, with Chauncey, Rip, Tayshaun, and Rasheed, it's like watching poker superstars do their thing.  Rasheed could be likened to a blend of Hellmuth and Matusow, given the outbursts.

However!

When Rasheed's trying to calm Rip down on a couple of plays, that tells me something about where Rip's head is.

It's like Rip got a series of bad beats, and he was steaming about it.  That steam kind of didn't help . . . it just made him, in particular, play with less skill.

For all the awesome Rasheed did, Rip kinda undid.  Rip even managed a damping effect on Tayshaun.

My level of concern with Detroit's direction, after these opening games . . . minimal.  I'd like more attempts in the paint from everyone.  The collective shooting effort is just about average.  The defense seems to work pretty well.  It should be a decent run.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Decent game.  Both teams still have solid defense.  Chicago&#8217;s about the same.  This was one of those regular-season-level games for both clubs.</p>
<p>What I noticed . . . </p>
<p>By now, with Chauncey, Rip, Tayshaun, and Rasheed, it&#8217;s like watching poker superstars do their thing.  Rasheed could be likened to a blend of Hellmuth and Matusow, given the outbursts.</p>
<p>However!</p>
<p>When Rasheed&#8217;s trying to calm Rip down on a couple of plays, that tells me something about where Rip&#8217;s head is.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s like Rip got a series of bad beats, and he was steaming about it.  That steam kind of didn&#8217;t help . . . it just made him, in particular, play with less skill.</p>
<p>For all the awesome Rasheed did, Rip kinda undid.  Rip even managed a damping effect on Tayshaun.</p>
<p>My level of concern with Detroit&#8217;s direction, after these opening games . . . minimal.  I&#8217;d like more attempts in the paint from everyone.  The collective shooting effort is just about average.  The defense seems to work pretty well.  It should be a decent run.</p>
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		<title>By: Tyler</title>
		<link>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2007-11-09/chicago-bullies-pistons/#comment-92903</link>
		<dc:creator>Tyler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2007 19:40:24 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2007-11-09/chicago-bullies-pistons/#comment-92903</guid>
		<description>This game was a great example of why we NEED Amir to be the real deal. Sheed, although he played great, has a hard time guarding guys with the athleticism of Thomas, and Maxiell just isn't big enough...how many offensive rebounds did Tyrus and Joakim have??? It seemed like the had twice as many shots as Detroit. Amir can be that guy with the length and athleticism to cause the opposition to adjust to US, not the other way around.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This game was a great example of why we NEED Amir to be the real deal. Sheed, although he played great, has a hard time guarding guys with the athleticism of Thomas, and Maxiell just isn&#8217;t big enough&#8230;how many offensive rebounds did Tyrus and Joakim have??? It seemed like the had twice as many shots as Detroit. Amir can be that guy with the length and athleticism to cause the opposition to adjust to US, not the other way around.</p>
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		<title>By: Diablo</title>
		<link>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2007-11-09/chicago-bullies-pistons/#comment-92900</link>
		<dc:creator>Diablo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2007 19:12:29 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2007-11-09/chicago-bullies-pistons/#comment-92900</guid>
		<description>Why is everyone all-of-sudden bashing on Flip Murray? Its like no one can pick whether you like him or you don't. 

I think Tayshaun playing transparent had a bigger effect on the Pistons lost last night. 1 FG made and 5 points is not something im expecting out of Tayshaun, i hope he picks up the intensity tonight against the Clips.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why is everyone all-of-sudden bashing on Flip Murray? Its like no one can pick whether you like him or you don&#8217;t. </p>
<p>I think Tayshaun playing transparent had a bigger effect on the Pistons lost last night. 1 FG made and 5 points is not something im expecting out of Tayshaun, i hope he picks up the intensity tonight against the Clips.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben</title>
		<link>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2007-11-09/chicago-bullies-pistons/#comment-92886</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2007 18:04:16 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2007-11-09/chicago-bullies-pistons/#comment-92886</guid>
		<description>I can't stand watch Flip Murray dribble the ball off his damn foot half the time he has it, let Prince play backup point until Stuckey is healthy and if Murray has to play he should be a 2 only.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t stand watch Flip Murray dribble the ball off his damn foot half the time he has it, let Prince play backup point until Stuckey is healthy and if Murray has to play he should be a 2 only.</p>
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		<title>By: Satchel</title>
		<link>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2007-11-09/chicago-bullies-pistons/#comment-92881</link>
		<dc:creator>Satchel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2007 17:42:54 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2007-11-09/chicago-bullies-pistons/#comment-92881</guid>
		<description>Until Maxiell's block, they got nothing from the bench - and Flip was painful: dribbling out the first 2/3 of the shot clock on offense then kicking the ball off his knee and slowly getting back to play horrible defense. Even Hayes had a rough night.

Still, other than Sheed it was a rough game for the Pistons and they still had three good, open shots to tie/win at the end against a desperate team at home. I sure don't have any fear right now that the Bulls are a team for Detroit to fear in a playoff series. 

And is anyone else already sick of watching Rip bitch about every call?   Especially when he makes an obvious foul? Even Sheed was pulling him away from the officials last night.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Until Maxiell&#8217;s block, they got nothing from the bench - and Flip was painful: dribbling out the first 2/3 of the shot clock on offense then kicking the ball off his knee and slowly getting back to play horrible defense. Even Hayes had a rough night.</p>
<p>Still, other than Sheed it was a rough game for the Pistons and they still had three good, open shots to tie/win at the end against a desperate team at home. I sure don&#8217;t have any fear right now that the Bulls are a team for Detroit to fear in a playoff series. </p>
<p>And is anyone else already sick of watching Rip bitch about every call?   Especially when he makes an obvious foul? Even Sheed was pulling him away from the officials last night.</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron</title>
		<link>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2007-11-09/chicago-bullies-pistons/#comment-92875</link>
		<dc:creator>Aaron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2007 17:07:12 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2007-11-09/chicago-bullies-pistons/#comment-92875</guid>
		<description>"It basically comes down to this: Detroit is a post-up team that can't shoot jumpers, and Chicago is a jump-shooting team that can't post up." 

~Jalen Rose on ESPN.com





WHAT?!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;It basically comes down to this: Detroit is a post-up team that can&#8217;t shoot jumpers, and Chicago is a jump-shooting team that can&#8217;t post up.&#8221; </p>
<p>~Jalen Rose on ESPN.com</p>
<p>WHAT?!</p>
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		<title>By: Brad</title>
		<link>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2007-11-09/chicago-bullies-pistons/#comment-92873</link>
		<dc:creator>Brad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2007 16:50:07 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2007-11-09/chicago-bullies-pistons/#comment-92873</guid>
		<description>Ok, maybe.  Why are we falling behind to an 0-4 team in the first quarter?  They had to sit Gordon 2 minutes into the game.  Didn't the Bulls have to sit another starter as well?

The free throws weren't falling, but really where was this "new team" that's supposed to push the ball?  The Pistons we've known for the last 5 years fall into this feeling-out-the-opponent-in-the-first-quarter mentality.  We've slowed it to a half court game by default since Carlisle... Why?  Why, still, after Dumars has mandated that complacency is out the window, do we stand around in the FIRST quarter???

Forget the half court offense, for now, push the freakin' ball.  Good things will happen.

Granted, things weren't going the Pistons way, but there's no excuse for us to be losing to an injured Ben Wallace, 2 backups, Heinrich, and Deng after 1 quarter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok, maybe.  Why are we falling behind to an 0-4 team in the first quarter?  They had to sit Gordon 2 minutes into the game.  Didn&#8217;t the Bulls have to sit another starter as well?</p>
<p>The free throws weren&#8217;t falling, but really where was this &#8220;new team&#8221; that&#8217;s supposed to push the ball?  The Pistons we&#8217;ve known for the last 5 years fall into this feeling-out-the-opponent-in-the-first-quarter mentality.  We&#8217;ve slowed it to a half court game by default since Carlisle&#8230; Why?  Why, still, after Dumars has mandated that complacency is out the window, do we stand around in the FIRST quarter???</p>
<p>Forget the half court offense, for now, push the freakin&#8217; ball.  Good things will happen.</p>
<p>Granted, things weren&#8217;t going the Pistons way, but there&#8217;s no excuse for us to be losing to an injured Ben Wallace, 2 backups, Heinrich, and Deng after 1 quarter.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin S.</title>
		<link>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2007-11-09/chicago-bullies-pistons/#comment-92872</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin S.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2007 16:19:45 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2007-11-09/chicago-bullies-pistons/#comment-92872</guid>
		<description>I don't think the Pistons were all that complacent.  Maxiell had three fouls and three turnovers in 12 minutes, and that sort of performance puts you back on the bench.  Basically, Chicago hit a lot of open 20 ft. jump shots in the first half.  

It's also tough to fault McDyess for not being aggressive enough.  When your other front court option drops 36, your going to do a bit of standing and watching.  

Tyrus Thomas looks amazing during some games, and then disappears during others... Completely.  To the point where you have to think he might have head issues.  

I think that Ben Wallace is just going to start slow.  He always has, and he is getting older.  If he wants to have juice left for the playoffs, this makes the most sense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think the Pistons were all that complacent.  Maxiell had three fouls and three turnovers in 12 minutes, and that sort of performance puts you back on the bench.  Basically, Chicago hit a lot of open 20 ft. jump shots in the first half.  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s also tough to fault McDyess for not being aggressive enough.  When your other front court option drops 36, your going to do a bit of standing and watching.  </p>
<p>Tyrus Thomas looks amazing during some games, and then disappears during others&#8230; Completely.  To the point where you have to think he might have head issues.  </p>
<p>I think that Ben Wallace is just going to start slow.  He always has, and he is getting older.  If he wants to have juice left for the playoffs, this makes the most sense.</p>
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		<title>By: Anon</title>
		<link>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2007-11-09/chicago-bullies-pistons/#comment-92862</link>
		<dc:creator>Anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2007 15:41:01 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2007-11-09/chicago-bullies-pistons/#comment-92862</guid>
		<description>The Skiles thing was overblown:
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Skiles thing was overblown:</p>
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		<title>By: Brad</title>
		<link>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2007-11-09/chicago-bullies-pistons/#comment-92857</link>
		<dc:creator>Brad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2007 15:18:22 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2007-11-09/chicago-bullies-pistons/#comment-92857</guid>
		<description>Random thoughts:

A) Complacency... or laziness.  And how are we different this year?

B) Flip Murray sucks, tunnel-vision coupled with bad decisions.  He'd be great if basketball was 1v1, 2v2, or 3v3.  Unfortunately...

C) Saunders is his same old anal-retentive self.  He gets caught in this cyclical mentality based on the fact that if we're behind we need to play our starters.  At face value that seems rational, but our starters are who created the deficit to begin with.  If we're down by 3+ points after the first period why not sit the starters?  It A) would definitely give our bench time on the court to develop, B) send a message to the starters that "Hey, you want to play lazy in the first quarter.  Fine.  Say hello to the bench." and C)It just might get us back in the game.  At least Maxiell, Hayes,... and *gulp* Murray(soon to be Stuckey) try.  Now, look at what happened last night: our starters averaged 38 minutes, our bench didn't develop, AAAAND we lost the game.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Random thoughts:</p>
<p>A) Complacency&#8230; or laziness.  And how are we different this year?</p>
<p>B) Flip Murray sucks, tunnel-vision coupled with bad decisions.  He&#8217;d be great if basketball was 1v1, 2v2, or 3v3.  Unfortunately&#8230;</p>
<p>C) Saunders is his same old anal-retentive self.  He gets caught in this cyclical mentality based on the fact that if we&#8217;re behind we need to play our starters.  At face value that seems rational, but our starters are who created the deficit to begin with.  If we&#8217;re down by 3+ points after the first period why not sit the starters?  It A) would definitely give our bench time on the court to develop, B) send a message to the starters that &#8220;Hey, you want to play lazy in the first quarter.  Fine.  Say hello to the bench.&#8221; and C)It just might get us back in the game.  At least Maxiell, Hayes,&#8230; and *gulp* Murray(soon to be Stuckey) try.  Now, look at what happened last night: our starters averaged 38 minutes, our bench didn&#8217;t develop, AAAAND we lost the game.</p>
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