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	<title>Comments on: The Case for Billups</title>
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		<title>By: LawyerBoy</title>
		<link>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2007-12-17/the-case-for-billups/#comment-108512</link>
		<dc:creator>LawyerBoy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2007 17:38:13 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2007-12-17/the-case-for-billups/#comment-108512</guid>
		<description>If this Yahoo! article is any indication, Kenny Smith's basketball analysis is horrible.  Smith ranks the PGs this season:

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=ArAg6VYaQce0ltYTnvnLXTC8vLYF?slug=ks-pointguards121807&#38;prov=yhoo&#38;type=lgns

Chauncey is ahead of Chris Paul AND Deron Williams and Williams is ahead of Paul.  Chauncey ahead of Deron Williams?  Okay, an argument can be made, I suppose.  But Chris Paul behind both of them?  Whatever.  I'm a big fan of David West, but he is NOT Carlos Boozer.  Paul is making that team go, and he makes his free throws (*cough* Deron *cough*), which is invaluable.  And damn you Kenny Smith for trying to solidify the Mr. Big Shot moniker for Chauncey's (often absent) clutch shooting.

And oh yeah, he has Kidd as the 1a to Nash's 1.  HA.  That'll go over well here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If this Yahoo! article is any indication, Kenny Smith&#8217;s basketball analysis is horrible.  Smith ranks the PGs this season:</p>
<p><a href="http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=ArAg6VYaQce0ltYTnvnLXTC8vLYF?slug=ks-pointguards121807&amp;prov=yhoo&amp;type=lgns" rel="nofollow">http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=ArAg6VYaQce0ltYTnvnLXTC8vLYF?slug=ks-pointguards121807&amp;prov=yhoo&amp;type=lgns</a></p>
<p>Chauncey is ahead of Chris Paul AND Deron Williams and Williams is ahead of Paul.  Chauncey ahead of Deron Williams?  Okay, an argument can be made, I suppose.  But Chris Paul behind both of them?  Whatever.  I&#8217;m a big fan of David West, but he is NOT Carlos Boozer.  Paul is making that team go, and he makes his free throws (*cough* Deron *cough*), which is invaluable.  And damn you Kenny Smith for trying to solidify the Mr. Big Shot moniker for Chauncey&#8217;s (often absent) clutch shooting.</p>
<p>And oh yeah, he has Kidd as the 1a to Nash&#8217;s 1.  HA.  That&#8217;ll go over well here.</p>
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		<title>By: PistonsGirl4Life</title>
		<link>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2007-12-17/the-case-for-billups/#comment-108349</link>
		<dc:creator>PistonsGirl4Life</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2007 03:28:07 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2007-12-17/the-case-for-billups/#comment-108349</guid>
		<description>I think the mention of Christmas at the begining of this article is offensive to Muslims and continues to be part of Kevin S's vast conspiracy to insult Nazr Mohammed AND Jason Kidd (who is not Muslim but hates Christmas, just ask him).

As for the article, it sorta reminds me of something Bill Simmon's wrote once on ESPN (though I say that meaning well, sometimes Bill's observations are hardly those of a great writer but in this case he was spot on).  Basically he was bemoaning the combination of the 1 and 2 guard spots into one All Star catagory "Guard".  Basically this was done because there are about a BILLION deserving 2 guards in the West every year and nobody wants to hear about how Tracy McGrady missed the All Star game because Kobe was just that much better.  After watching the game that year he came up with the idea that each conference should name 2 "point" guards per squad, and no matter WHAT at least one of them HAD to be on the floor by rules mandate.  I think he had Kidd/Billups for the East and Nash/Someone Who's Name Escapes me for the west as suggestions.  His arguement of course was that it simply made for a BETTER game to have distribution first PG's on the team and running the offences, from an entertainment standpoint... even though fans would ALWAYS vote for the biggest names.

I think Kevin is absolutely right that Billups deserves serious consideration for the starting PG spot on the east team.  I also thought Bill Simmons was absolutely right about the whole "Guard" slot on the All Star ballot being a mistake...Otoh this is the NBA so I won't be suprised at all at all when the starting "Guards" for the east are Vince Carter and Dwyane Wade.

Still, good analysis or not, absolutely nothing is going to prevent Nazr from "going Jihad on Kevin's ass".  (Seriously, I'm saving that line for the rest of my life).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the mention of Christmas at the begining of this article is offensive to Muslims and continues to be part of Kevin S&#8217;s vast conspiracy to insult Nazr Mohammed AND Jason Kidd (who is not Muslim but hates Christmas, just ask him).</p>
<p>As for the article, it sorta reminds me of something Bill Simmon&#8217;s wrote once on ESPN (though I say that meaning well, sometimes Bill&#8217;s observations are hardly those of a great writer but in this case he was spot on).  Basically he was bemoaning the combination of the 1 and 2 guard spots into one All Star catagory &#8220;Guard&#8221;.  Basically this was done because there are about a BILLION deserving 2 guards in the West every year and nobody wants to hear about how Tracy McGrady missed the All Star game because Kobe was just that much better.  After watching the game that year he came up with the idea that each conference should name 2 &#8220;point&#8221; guards per squad, and no matter WHAT at least one of them HAD to be on the floor by rules mandate.  I think he had Kidd/Billups for the East and Nash/Someone Who&#8217;s Name Escapes me for the west as suggestions.  His arguement of course was that it simply made for a BETTER game to have distribution first PG&#8217;s on the team and running the offences, from an entertainment standpoint&#8230; even though fans would ALWAYS vote for the biggest names.</p>
<p>I think Kevin is absolutely right that Billups deserves serious consideration for the starting PG spot on the east team.  I also thought Bill Simmons was absolutely right about the whole &#8220;Guard&#8221; slot on the All Star ballot being a mistake&#8230;Otoh this is the NBA so I won&#8217;t be suprised at all at all when the starting &#8220;Guards&#8221; for the east are Vince Carter and Dwyane Wade.</p>
<p>Still, good analysis or not, absolutely nothing is going to prevent Nazr from &#8220;going Jihad on Kevin&#8217;s ass&#8221;.  (Seriously, I&#8217;m saving that line for the rest of my life).</p>
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		<title>By: Quick Darshan</title>
		<link>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2007-12-17/the-case-for-billups/#comment-108160</link>
		<dc:creator>Quick Darshan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2007 09:00:45 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2007-12-17/the-case-for-billups/#comment-108160</guid>
		<description>Chauncey looks like he's lost a step to me.  And the days are over when I was shocked whenever he missed a pull up three.

But, his performance in Finals against the Spurs was amazing.  Flawless.  If they didn't let Bowen manhandle him in Game 5, Sheed's blunder wouldn't have mattered.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chauncey looks like he&#8217;s lost a step to me.  And the days are over when I was shocked whenever he missed a pull up three.</p>
<p>But, his performance in Finals against the Spurs was amazing.  Flawless.  If they didn&#8217;t let Bowen manhandle him in Game 5, Sheed&#8217;s blunder wouldn&#8217;t have mattered.</p>
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		<title>By: Should C-Bill Start For The East in The All-Star Game? - Detroit Pistons Fan Community - PistonsForum.com</title>
		<link>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2007-12-17/the-case-for-billups/#comment-108089</link>
		<dc:creator>Should C-Bill Start For The East in The All-Star Game? - Detroit Pistons Fan Community - PistonsForum.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2007 03:26:37 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2007-12-17/the-case-for-billups/#comment-108089</guid>
		<description>[...] The Case for Billups  Published by Matt Watson on December 17, 2007 in Guest Writer. 7 Comments   By Kevin Sawyer Well, it’s that time of year again. No, not Christmas, and I am so offended that you made assumptions about my religion. It’s time to stuff the ballot box with votes for Piston players carefully consider and cast your vote for the 2008 all-star lineup. You know this, of course, you have probably already voted at least once, and I’m certainly preaching to the choir… But nonetheless, here is my case for Chauncey Billups to start in the NBA all-star game.    Detroit Bad Boys [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] The Case for Billups  Published by Matt Watson on December 17, 2007 in Guest Writer. 7 Comments   By Kevin Sawyer Well, it’s that time of year again. No, not Christmas, and I am so offended that you made assumptions about my religion. It’s time to stuff the ballot box with votes for Piston players carefully consider and cast your vote for the 2008 all-star lineup. You know this, of course, you have probably already voted at least once, and I’m certainly preaching to the choir… But nonetheless, here is my case for Chauncey Billups to start in the NBA all-star game.    Detroit Bad Boys [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Krasimir</title>
		<link>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2007-12-17/the-case-for-billups/#comment-108077</link>
		<dc:creator>Krasimir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2007 02:26:56 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2007-12-17/the-case-for-billups/#comment-108077</guid>
		<description>OK, ballot's posted:
http://d2.myfreefilehosting.com/d2/AllStar.JPG

Greetings from Bulgaria :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, ballot&#8217;s posted:<br />
<a href="http://d2.myfreefilehosting.com/d2/AllStar.JPG" rel="nofollow">http://d2.myfreefilehosting.com/d2/AllStar.JPG</a></p>
<p>Greetings from Bulgaria <img src='http://www.detroitbadboys.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Doc Sloan</title>
		<link>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2007-12-17/the-case-for-billups/#comment-108045</link>
		<dc:creator>Doc Sloan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2007 00:51:03 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2007-12-17/the-case-for-billups/#comment-108045</guid>
		<description>All I know is when Billups plays head to head with Nash. He always comes up on top.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All I know is when Billups plays head to head with Nash. He always comes up on top.</p>
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		<title>By: LawyerBoy</title>
		<link>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2007-12-17/the-case-for-billups/#comment-107985</link>
		<dc:creator>LawyerBoy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2007 20:25:28 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2007-12-17/the-case-for-billups/#comment-107985</guid>
		<description>On a similar note, the Stones come in at 3rd on Marc Stein's Power Rankings this week (5th last week).  We passed the Magic and the Suns and sit behind Boston and San Antonio respectively.  I don't know if the 25th game of the season can be considered "big", but I can't really accept treating this showdown as "just another game".  I want this win quite badly, and preferably with Ray Allen in the lineup.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On a similar note, the Stones come in at 3rd on Marc Stein&#8217;s Power Rankings this week (5th last week).  We passed the Magic and the Suns and sit behind Boston and San Antonio respectively.  I don&#8217;t know if the 25th game of the season can be considered &#8220;big&#8221;, but I can&#8217;t really accept treating this showdown as &#8220;just another game&#8221;.  I want this win quite badly, and preferably with Ray Allen in the lineup.</p>
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		<title>By: salas</title>
		<link>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2007-12-17/the-case-for-billups/#comment-107982</link>
		<dc:creator>salas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2007 20:12:41 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2007-12-17/the-case-for-billups/#comment-107982</guid>
		<description>re:LawyerBoy
As Slate gets into, Big Shot Bob/Rob has also missed a high-percentage of potential game winners:
http://www.slate.com/id/2121018/

In his own words:"If I hit it we win, if I miss y'all are going to blame the stars for losing the game anyway.  There's no pressure on me." 

I think people are more likely to remember the ones that go down rather than the ones you miss, unless it's like a dunk.  Or if your body language is terrible and its clear you don't want to be out there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>re:LawyerBoy<br />
As Slate gets into, Big Shot Bob/Rob has also missed a high-percentage of potential game winners:<br />
<a href="http://www.slate.com/id/2121018/" rel="nofollow">http://www.slate.com/id/2121018/</a></p>
<p>In his own words:&#8221;If I hit it we win, if I miss y&#8217;all are going to blame the stars for losing the game anyway.  There&#8217;s no pressure on me.&#8221; </p>
<p>I think people are more likely to remember the ones that go down rather than the ones you miss, unless it&#8217;s like a dunk.  Or if your body language is terrible and its clear you don&#8217;t want to be out there.</p>
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		<title>By: Dash Rick</title>
		<link>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2007-12-17/the-case-for-billups/#comment-107968</link>
		<dc:creator>Dash Rick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2007 19:02:12 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2007-12-17/the-case-for-billups/#comment-107968</guid>
		<description>Here is the link: 

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/statistics?sort=per&#38;qual=true&#38;pos=pg&#38;seasonType=2&#38;action=upsell&#38;appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fnba%2fhollinger%2fstatistics%3fsort%3dper%26qual%3dtrue%26pos%3dpg%26seasonType%3d2</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is the link: </p>
<p><a href="http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/statistics?sort=per&amp;qual=true&amp;pos=pg&amp;seasonType=2&amp;action=upsell&amp;appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fnba%2fhollinger%2fstatistics%3fsort%3dper%26qual%3dtrue%26pos%3dpg%26seasonType%3d2" rel="nofollow">http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/statistics?sort=per&amp;qual=true&amp;pos=pg&amp;seasonType=2&amp;action=upsell&amp;appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fnba%2fhollinger%2fstatistics%3fsort%3dper%26qual%3dtrue%26pos%3dpg%26seasonType%3d2</a></p>
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		<title>By: Dash Rick</title>
		<link>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2007-12-17/the-case-for-billups/#comment-107966</link>
		<dc:creator>Dash Rick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2007 19:01:10 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2007-12-17/the-case-for-billups/#comment-107966</guid>
		<description>ESPN's John Hollinger's PER ratings for Point Guards were just posted yesterday.  It has Paul at #1 and Chauncey at #2.

Food for thought.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ESPN&#8217;s John Hollinger&#8217;s PER ratings for Point Guards were just posted yesterday.  It has Paul at #1 and Chauncey at #2.</p>
<p>Food for thought.</p>
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		<title>By: LawyerBoy</title>
		<link>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2007-12-17/the-case-for-billups/#comment-107962</link>
		<dc:creator>LawyerBoy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2007 18:33:52 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2007-12-17/the-case-for-billups/#comment-107962</guid>
		<description>Oh and, good article Kevin :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh and, good article Kevin <img src='http://www.detroitbadboys.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: LawyerBoy</title>
		<link>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2007-12-17/the-case-for-billups/#comment-107961</link>
		<dc:creator>LawyerBoy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2007 18:25:29 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2007-12-17/the-case-for-billups/#comment-107961</guid>
		<description>I've long been part of the Contrarian Camp regarding Chauncey.  When he got the Finals MVP, I remember feeling  angry amid what should have been pure joy for another Larry O'Brien trophy. To this day I still truly hate the "Mr. Big Shot" moniker, because he is NOT Robert Horry (who somehow never misses in the last mintue of a game). Chauncey doesn't really deserve some sort of name praising his big shot production, because it was in the past.  He makes some big shots unquestionably (a lot more back in the two seasons we were in the Finals), but I'd say he misses probably as many as he makes (blown call-should be turnover and subsequent missed 3 in the last minute of the Houston game last week ring a bell?).  And that's not criteria for a "Mr. Big Shot".  

BUT, as much as I have lamented about Pistons' fans passivity in accepting Chauncey as a stud, savior, team MVP, Finals, or even league MVP (not reality) or whatever designation you wish to bestow upon him, THIS season he deserves some serious dap.  This year, yes, I would say in the Eastern Conference, he deserves to start.  There is no one playing better than him at PG in the East.  And he is playing some of, if not the absolute best, ball of his career.  

If someone wants to tell me he's better than Chris Paul, or Steve Nash, I might have to go back to being a contrarian on Chauncey (as I perceive a great deal of my frsutration is directed at Piston fans' superfluous, blind praise over the past few years).  The guy owns the East and he's probably having his best season ever, but he's not even an automatic Top 3 PG in the league, and he's maybe a Top 5 but at least an argument could be made that the following are all better than him: Nash, Parker, Williams, Paul, Davis.  I'm not going to make that argument.  It's irrelevant, because we're winning and he's one of or THE major reason.  This is supposed to be praise for Chauncey from a guy who is almost always reticent to give it out, but can ardent Chauncey fans please stop talking about '05-'06 and how he deserved more MVP consideration (because he didn't at all), please?  Let's live in the present REALITY, where Chauncey and the Pistons as a whole are getting it done.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve long been part of the Contrarian Camp regarding Chauncey.  When he got the Finals MVP, I remember feeling  angry amid what should have been pure joy for another Larry O&#8217;Brien trophy. To this day I still truly hate the &#8220;Mr. Big Shot&#8221; moniker, because he is NOT Robert Horry (who somehow never misses in the last mintue of a game). Chauncey doesn&#8217;t really deserve some sort of name praising his big shot production, because it was in the past.  He makes some big shots unquestionably (a lot more back in the two seasons we were in the Finals), but I&#8217;d say he misses probably as many as he makes (blown call-should be turnover and subsequent missed 3 in the last minute of the Houston game last week ring a bell?).  And that&#8217;s not criteria for a &#8220;Mr. Big Shot&#8221;.  </p>
<p>BUT, as much as I have lamented about Pistons&#8217; fans passivity in accepting Chauncey as a stud, savior, team MVP, Finals, or even league MVP (not reality) or whatever designation you wish to bestow upon him, THIS season he deserves some serious dap.  This year, yes, I would say in the Eastern Conference, he deserves to start.  There is no one playing better than him at PG in the East.  And he is playing some of, if not the absolute best, ball of his career.  </p>
<p>If someone wants to tell me he&#8217;s better than Chris Paul, or Steve Nash, I might have to go back to being a contrarian on Chauncey (as I perceive a great deal of my frsutration is directed at Piston fans&#8217; superfluous, blind praise over the past few years).  The guy owns the East and he&#8217;s probably having his best season ever, but he&#8217;s not even an automatic Top 3 PG in the league, and he&#8217;s maybe a Top 5 but at least an argument could be made that the following are all better than him: Nash, Parker, Williams, Paul, Davis.  I&#8217;m not going to make that argument.  It&#8217;s irrelevant, because we&#8217;re winning and he&#8217;s one of or THE major reason.  This is supposed to be praise for Chauncey from a guy who is almost always reticent to give it out, but can ardent Chauncey fans please stop talking about &#8216;05-&#8217;06 and how he deserved more MVP consideration (because he didn&#8217;t at all), please?  Let&#8217;s live in the present REALITY, where Chauncey and the Pistons as a whole are getting it done.</p>
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