Kevin S: It seems to me as if you don’t pay attention to Darko outside of playing for/against the Pistons or on nationally televised games (ie: one so far on NBA TV this year against the Sonics where he didn’t play due to injury). I’m wondering if you have League Pass and/or watch many Grizzlies games or if you’re simply drawing conclusion from box scores. I’m going to guess that you probably weren’t watching when he owned us in the first quarter of the game we played in Memphis or you took nothing from it. What I took from it, is the guy has some downright NASTY offense that most bigs in this league would kill for. It comes in spurts because it’s fairly apparent he’s a mental midget and/or lacks consistency. If he can put it together, with his sometimes nasty defense in the paint, he’s got serious game. I fully admit that’s an if, a remains to be seen, but his career is far from over at this stage and to deem otherwise, is premature in nature.

He’s only 22, which can be easily forgotten since this is his 5th season in the league. That’s only a year older than much-dapped-about rookie Sean Williams. I hate to use the tired comparison to JO, as Milicic has a long way to go to prove it on that scale, but to a rational extent, it applies. Give the kid some time to mature mentally and show (or fail to show) consistent play in a consistent environment. Writing off a career at 22 and/or after five years is stupid. Chauncey, JO, etc. prove that.

Let’s give Darko the fresh start he wanted in Memphis and see how he develops under Iavaroni. He seemed to be having a very impressive swing in November until he got hurt and missed seven games. Darko’s younger than me for chrissake, let’s preach patience and not rush to judgment like Big Red would.

And why you’re hating on my idea that Brezec’s passable in terms of rebounding I don’t know. Perhaps you got confused and thought I was talking about Darko in which case you have a partially accurate (though conveyed through hyperbole) point about Darko being a liability in terms of fouling. Fouling is a concern for Darko, but it’s not like it’s an achilles heel. Either way, Brezec (and Darko for that matter) is passable when it comes to rebounding.

Presumably you can do the math from there as to how this relates to Chris Webber since I have ZERO desire to repeat myself for the 20th some odd time in this thread/on this subject.

So you’re saying the team, as currently composed, does NOT have a shot at winning the Eastern Conference Finals? Because I have to vehemently disagree.

I would assume Chauncey would be close behind, with Tay and Rip having backups more capable of filling in.

To those who seen the last few games… Has Sheed become low-post phobic again? From the box scores and online game tracking, I got the sense that he’s just hanging around the 3pt line again (albeit, while still playing good defense).

With Dupree gone, Samb is pretty much our 15th man. And he proved that in an emergency, he can be thrown into a game for a few minutes and affect a game.

I don’t hate Webber. In fact, Webber is pretty low on my “totem of blame” for what happened in the playoffs. There are several players and a coach who are higher on my blame list than Webber. But I’ve forgiven them all. Why?

1. http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/standings;_ylt=AthL0z4VNvzkkwzr2W4NHAy8vLYF

2. Bench development.

3. Don’t have a third point. Just thought a list of three would look better

Either way, I think you (and by you I mean everyone in the “Dear Christ Not Webber he Ruined My Offseason” Camp) are wrong… I don’t think you are stupid. My bad for saying otherwise. Sorry.

None of us is going to influence choices made on the pistons basketball team-and all of us are going to continue to be pistons fans whether we agree with choices or not-and we’ll enjoy seeing our favorite players play, and people we don’t like we’ll deal with if they’re on the team.

its lousy seeing the pistons fans fightin’ with each other. thats not like our team! maybe if we were lakers fans

http://youtube.com/watch?v=pKqFg7Tuocg

I can PROVE Webber is a starting 5. Know how? He was the starting 5 on a 50+ Win team that came within 2 wins of a damn finals.

You guys on the other side? “He sucked in Cleveland”….

Honestly I think the LOT of you are ABSOLUTELY nuts.

As for the straw man arguement, well you keep saying he’ll Take Maxy’s time and I keep saying “no he won’t, he’s only an option if we need 25-30 mins of starting 5, he makes ZERO sense as a backup in the traditional sense of the word.

Again though I’m tired of argueing subjective bullsh*t with people who CLEARLY just don’t like Webber.

What my opinion? The lot of you are so sick of what happened in the ECF that your looking for someone to blame. You can’t blame someone who’s actually really GOOD (see Tay, who had like his 6 worst games as a PRO vs Cle btw)…. so you blame Webber.

I’m REALLY glad none of you clowns are the GM for Detroit when you say shit like “We’re screwed if Sheed goes down so we should dump the season in that case and start Amir more”…

Stupid, stupid, stupid

PG4L, I don’t understand how you can say people are “making up straw man arguments”, I simply stated my case. Then I re-evaluated my position based on what you said. It turned out that I was wrong about how big of a liability Webber was in the playoffs. I admitted that he does have value as a starter. I was saying that if Sheed gets hurt, we’re screwed anyway, so we might as well develop the kids because that’s the only way we’re going to be contenders when our current window closes (and that day is probably 2 seasons away yet).

Anyway, I’ll shut up about this already.

Merry Christmas everybody!

“But if we lose Wallace to injury, we don’t win a championship. You can spend your money on insurance, I’ll save mine for free agents in the offseason.”

Dyess gets injured, on the other hand, and I agree.

As for– “Thanks for actually reading kids instead of just making up a straw man arguement you can take appart easily with nonsense about “hurting Maxy’s development”

It ain’t nonsense, friend. Webber would hurt the development of our young bigs.

A) Merry Christmas

B) The Pistons would be wise to keep C Webber’s number incase Sheed/Dyees gets hurt. I never said ANYTHING about “bacukups”, “spot mins”, “taking time from Maxiel”. You sign him if/when you need a starting 5. Thanks for actually reading kids instead of just making up a straw man arguement you can take appart easily with nonsense about “hurting Maxy’s development”.

C) Done with this useless thread