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	<title>Comments on: Finally, another game</title>
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		<title>By: marc dane</title>
		<link>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2008-01-09/finally-another-game/#comment-126711</link>
		<dc:creator>marc dane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 23:08:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>deetroit basketball.. go pistons!!! nba 2008 champs</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>deetroit basketball.. go pistons!!! nba 2008 champs</p>
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		<title>By: marc dane</title>
		<link>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2008-01-09/finally-another-game/#comment-126710</link>
		<dc:creator>marc dane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 23:06:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>give hermann MORE MINUTES!!!!</description>
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		<title>By: Kyle</title>
		<link>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2008-01-09/finally-another-game/#comment-116943</link>
		<dc:creator>Kyle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jan 2008 01:10:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"RASHEED WALLACE IS FUNKY!"
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that made me run to my laptop</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;RASHEED WALLACE IS FUNKY!&#8221;<br />
-Charles Barkley</p>
<p>that made me run to my laptop</p>
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		<title>By: Pistons look to rebound against Spurs &#124; Detroit Bad Boys</title>
		<link>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2008-01-09/finally-another-game/#comment-116942</link>
		<dc:creator>Pistons look to rebound against Spurs &#124; Detroit Bad Boys</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jan 2008 01:09:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] headline is awesome). One of the few bright spots, though, was the play of Walter Herrmann (aka, Strretch Arrmstrronng), whom Flip Saunders singled out for praise after the game. From Booth Newspapers: &#8220;Walter [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] headline is awesome). One of the few bright spots, though, was the play of Walter Herrmann (aka, Strretch Arrmstrronng), whom Flip Saunders singled out for praise after the game. From Booth Newspapers: &#8220;Walter [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Garrett</title>
		<link>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2008-01-09/finally-another-game/#comment-116925</link>
		<dc:creator>Garrett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jan 2008 00:07:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bob Day:  Amen to that.  If it's not us going to the finals and winning it all, I hope it's you.  Someone from the East has to show them how it's done out West.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bob Day:  Amen to that.  If it&#8217;s not us going to the finals and winning it all, I hope it&#8217;s you.  Someone from the East has to show them how it&#8217;s done out West.</p>
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		<title>By: Kyle</title>
		<link>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2008-01-09/finally-another-game/#comment-116919</link>
		<dc:creator>Kyle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jan 2008 00:01:04 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2008-01-09/finally-another-game/#comment-116919</guid>
		<description>i find it hard to rationalize that a 64 win team wasn't dominant. Nor that a team with fewer wins is more dominant because the games they do win, they win by more. 

i'd also point out that it's debatable whether we lost the ECF's to the cavs because of being tired, but it's observable fact that they repeatedly exploited the pick and roll, took advantage of a hapless tayshaun and pressured chauncey into numerous mistakes. i think from now on, after every loss we should grade the team on how well they did against those issues. if they continue to be the reasons we lose we have a serious problem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i find it hard to rationalize that a 64 win team wasn&#8217;t dominant. Nor that a team with fewer wins is more dominant because the games they do win, they win by more. </p>
<p>i&#8217;d also point out that it&#8217;s debatable whether we lost the ECF&#8217;s to the cavs because of being tired, but it&#8217;s observable fact that they repeatedly exploited the pick and roll, took advantage of a hapless tayshaun and pressured chauncey into numerous mistakes. i think from now on, after every loss we should grade the team on how well they did against those issues. if they continue to be the reasons we lose we have a serious problem.</p>
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		<title>By: Kyle</title>
		<link>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2008-01-09/finally-another-game/#comment-116910</link>
		<dc:creator>Kyle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 23:47:29 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2008-01-09/finally-another-game/#comment-116910</guid>
		<description>i hope you're right. i really do. i don't want to be a downer, but with all the new players i still don't see the starters (who will be playing the bulk of the minutes no matter what, i fear) improving guarding the pick and roll, making up for tay's off nights or finding a way keep chauncey effective when he's being pressured. 

i think the only way to do that is to turn the team into a true meritocracy, you produce, you play, you don't, you don't.  until flip is ready to start the second half with herrmann on dirk and tay on the bench we'll just watch the same old faces with the same old problems.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i hope you&#8217;re right. i really do. i don&#8217;t want to be a downer, but with all the new players i still don&#8217;t see the starters (who will be playing the bulk of the minutes no matter what, i fear) improving guarding the pick and roll, making up for tay&#8217;s off nights or finding a way keep chauncey effective when he&#8217;s being pressured. </p>
<p>i think the only way to do that is to turn the team into a true meritocracy, you produce, you play, you don&#8217;t, you don&#8217;t.  until flip is ready to start the second half with herrmann on dirk and tay on the bench we&#8217;ll just watch the same old faces with the same old problems.</p>
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		<title>By: LawyerBoy</title>
		<link>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2008-01-09/finally-another-game/#comment-116899</link>
		<dc:creator>LawyerBoy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 23:28:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kyle, 
 I'm arguing that we weren't so dominant in the past, as fans, we just thought we were.  We ran our starters into the ground because the moment they went to the bench we felt vulnerable and went down the tubes.  That's over now.  The result?  Wider winning margins and better team ppg averages at both ends of the floor.  We may think we were dominant but the gap went from averaging 4 points more than our opponents last year, to 9.5 this year.  Since we are accomplishing that goal with the help of our reserves instead of IN SPITE of our reserves, as was the case in the past, I think the position can be reasonably argued that we've plugged holes.  

Fans clamored for a guy who just shoots jumpers; we went out and got Hayes.  Fans clamored for an end to Flip Murray's reign of backup terror; we drafted Rodney Stuckey.  Fans raged over LeBron's 25 straight points in game 5; we drafted Arron Afflalo, traded for Walter Hermann, signed Jarvis Hayes (who I am pleasantly surprised by and really like as a defender), and we've given Lindsey's playing days an almost season-long respite in order to preserve his defense for the playoffs.  Webber's gone and in his place is the quietly essential Antonio McDyess.  Maxiell is the real deal this season.  It's all good news from where I sit, even when we get to the ECF.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kyle,<br />
 I&#8217;m arguing that we weren&#8217;t so dominant in the past, as fans, we just thought we were.  We ran our starters into the ground because the moment they went to the bench we felt vulnerable and went down the tubes.  That&#8217;s over now.  The result?  Wider winning margins and better team ppg averages at both ends of the floor.  We may think we were dominant but the gap went from averaging 4 points more than our opponents last year, to 9.5 this year.  Since we are accomplishing that goal with the help of our reserves instead of IN SPITE of our reserves, as was the case in the past, I think the position can be reasonably argued that we&#8217;ve plugged holes.  </p>
<p>Fans clamored for a guy who just shoots jumpers; we went out and got Hayes.  Fans clamored for an end to Flip Murray&#8217;s reign of backup terror; we drafted Rodney Stuckey.  Fans raged over LeBron&#8217;s 25 straight points in game 5; we drafted Arron Afflalo, traded for Walter Hermann, signed Jarvis Hayes (who I am pleasantly surprised by and really like as a defender), and we&#8217;ve given Lindsey&#8217;s playing days an almost season-long respite in order to preserve his defense for the playoffs.  Webber&#8217;s gone and in his place is the quietly essential Antonio McDyess.  Maxiell is the real deal this season.  It&#8217;s all good news from where I sit, even when we get to the ECF.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Day</title>
		<link>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2008-01-09/finally-another-game/#comment-116877</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob Day</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 22:45:41 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2008-01-09/finally-another-game/#comment-116877</guid>
		<description>Well, my team's not doing any jersey-popping today. :-D The Bobcats gave 'em a healthy reality check. The Celtics and the Pistons have their separate challenges this year, but there is no doubt about one thing. Both of them purely have great big targets on their backs this season. I'm sure our sneaky Western Conference foes are enjoying watching all of this play out.

So here's what I say. No more losses to the Western Conference during this regular season. Make them worry. I invite all Eastern Conference teams into the rally. May the best Eastern team win the EC playoffs and go on to whip whatever is left of the WC as though they were a bunch of little schoolgirls. [thumbs up]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, my team&#8217;s not doing any jersey-popping today. <img src='http://www.detroitbadboys.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':-D' class='wp-smiley' /> The Bobcats gave &#8216;em a healthy reality check. The Celtics and the Pistons have their separate challenges this year, but there is no doubt about one thing. Both of them purely have great big targets on their backs this season. I&#8217;m sure our sneaky Western Conference foes are enjoying watching all of this play out.</p>
<p>So here&#8217;s what I say. No more losses to the Western Conference during this regular season. Make them worry. I invite all Eastern Conference teams into the rally. May the best Eastern team win the EC playoffs and go on to whip whatever is left of the WC as though they were a bunch of little schoolgirls. [thumbs up]</p>
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		<title>By: Kyle</title>
		<link>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2008-01-09/finally-another-game/#comment-116856</link>
		<dc:creator>Kyle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 21:42:59 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2008-01-09/finally-another-game/#comment-116856</guid>
		<description>QD,
  exactly, those teams are going to continue to pressure chauncey. they're going to continue to make tay work on defense and then let him take shots on offense. they're going to run the pick and roll over and over again to get open shots. 

lebron was one problem in one series, these are the reasons we've been losing for years (not that we lose a lot, of course, but when we do). i hope we're improving in these areas, but it seems everytime we lose these are the reasons why. we've got the superior team and an absolute embarrassment of riches in terms of our bench, i totally believe that. it would be a shame to lose in the playoffs because of a set of problems we've known about and had years to prepare for.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>QD,<br />
  exactly, those teams are going to continue to pressure chauncey. they&#8217;re going to continue to make tay work on defense and then let him take shots on offense. they&#8217;re going to run the pick and roll over and over again to get open shots. </p>
<p>lebron was one problem in one series, these are the reasons we&#8217;ve been losing for years (not that we lose a lot, of course, but when we do). i hope we&#8217;re improving in these areas, but it seems everytime we lose these are the reasons why. we&#8217;ve got the superior team and an absolute embarrassment of riches in terms of our bench, i totally believe that. it would be a shame to lose in the playoffs because of a set of problems we&#8217;ve known about and had years to prepare for.</p>
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		<title>By: Kyle</title>
		<link>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2008-01-09/finally-another-game/#comment-116852</link>
		<dc:creator>Kyle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 21:30:21 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2008-01-09/finally-another-game/#comment-116852</guid>
		<description>i agree that we're dominant, but as i said, we were in the past and it didn't matter. i don't think lebron james alone was the reason we lost that series and i don't think merely addressing him will help us beat other teams. addressing shaq put a couple more bigs on our bench but it didn't help us against the heat in '06. 

my point wasn't that a ridiculously inferior squad beat us because of lebron, they beat us because they, like all the nba know our weaknesses. teams know exactly what we're going to do and know what to do to make that hard for us. most teams aren't good enough to do it, but enough are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i agree that we&#8217;re dominant, but as i said, we were in the past and it didn&#8217;t matter. i don&#8217;t think lebron james alone was the reason we lost that series and i don&#8217;t think merely addressing him will help us beat other teams. addressing shaq put a couple more bigs on our bench but it didn&#8217;t help us against the heat in &#8216;06. </p>
<p>my point wasn&#8217;t that a ridiculously inferior squad beat us because of lebron, they beat us because they, like all the nba know our weaknesses. teams know exactly what we&#8217;re going to do and know what to do to make that hard for us. most teams aren&#8217;t good enough to do it, but enough are.</p>
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		<title>By: Quick Darshan</title>
		<link>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2008-01-09/finally-another-game/#comment-116847</link>
		<dc:creator>Quick Darshan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 21:21:17 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2008-01-09/finally-another-game/#comment-116847</guid>
		<description>Overall, this team is way better in terms of talent and energy.

My big red flag and the thing that scares me most about the playoffs is that this team seems to abandon their motion/passing offense whenever they get challenged by a good defensive team (Boston, San Antonio, Cleveland last year, Dallas sometimes, Chicago whenever they play us).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Overall, this team is way better in terms of talent and energy.</p>
<p>My big red flag and the thing that scares me most about the playoffs is that this team seems to abandon their motion/passing offense whenever they get challenged by a good defensive team (Boston, San Antonio, Cleveland last year, Dallas sometimes, Chicago whenever they play us).</p>
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		<title>By: LawyerBoy</title>
		<link>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2008-01-09/finally-another-game/#comment-116842</link>
		<dc:creator>LawyerBoy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 21:03:17 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2008-01-09/finally-another-game/#comment-116842</guid>
		<description>Kyle, we have addressed the problem of the "ridiculously inferior squad".  Jarvis Hayes, Arron Afflalo especially and hell, now Hermann directly address a guy like LeBron in terms of "no lane for you".  So, even though Cleveland isn't going to be there in the ECF this year, we'll be just fine if we play them in the playoffs.  We have a way tighter defensive unit.  The Stones last year averaged 96 ppg on offense and on defense held teams to 91.9. 99.2-89.7 is what've they done so far this year.  That's just dominant.  Clearly we're plugging holes, it's just sometimes you have to take a couple steps back to go forward.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kyle, we have addressed the problem of the &#8220;ridiculously inferior squad&#8221;.  Jarvis Hayes, Arron Afflalo especially and hell, now Hermann directly address a guy like LeBron in terms of &#8220;no lane for you&#8221;.  So, even though Cleveland isn&#8217;t going to be there in the ECF this year, we&#8217;ll be just fine if we play them in the playoffs.  We have a way tighter defensive unit.  The Stones last year averaged 96 ppg on offense and on defense held teams to 91.9. 99.2-89.7 is what&#8217;ve they done so far this year.  That&#8217;s just dominant.  Clearly we&#8217;re plugging holes, it&#8217;s just sometimes you have to take a couple steps back to go forward.</p>
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		<title>By: JackDutch</title>
		<link>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2008-01-09/finally-another-game/#comment-116835</link>
		<dc:creator>JackDutch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 20:22:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i'm not even worried about tonight because it is a guaranteed L. we will be lucky to finish this 4 games in 5 days road trip at 2-2.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i&#8217;m not even worried about tonight because it is a guaranteed L. we will be lucky to finish this 4 games in 5 days road trip at 2-2.</p>
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		<title>By: Kyle</title>
		<link>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2008-01-09/finally-another-game/#comment-116826</link>
		<dc:creator>Kyle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 19:34:54 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2008-01-09/finally-another-game/#comment-116826</guid>
		<description>Lawyerboy,
    for the most part i agree with you, except for this:

"but the only evidence to back it up was generally arrogance and past glory."

i think it was backed up with amazing regular season play that included dominant performaces against top tier teams. that's why i won't get too excited about our success so far. we can run roughshod over the regular season, we usually do, but if we don't deal with the same four or five things that seem to kill us every year, it won't matter. 

does the fact that we lost two in a row bother me? not at all. but the way they did it bothers me. how many times will i have to watch a team gleefully leave tay open to brick 8 or more shots? how many more times will i have to see our offense turn to confused crap because they've started trapping chauncey? how many times will they get run ragged trying to guard the pick and roll? maybe only 3 or 4 teams in the league can really make us pay on those counts, but our road to another 'ship is bound to be strewn with them.

we got beat by ridiculously inferior squad in last year's ecf's. they beat us because they knew our weaknesses and exploited them. the fresh legged starter theory is an excellent starting point, but we can't just hope it solves all our other problems. i hope we're working damn hard at plugging those holes, because you know other teams are working damn hard to exploit them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lawyerboy,<br />
    for the most part i agree with you, except for this:</p>
<p>&#8220;but the only evidence to back it up was generally arrogance and past glory.&#8221;</p>
<p>i think it was backed up with amazing regular season play that included dominant performaces against top tier teams. that&#8217;s why i won&#8217;t get too excited about our success so far. we can run roughshod over the regular season, we usually do, but if we don&#8217;t deal with the same four or five things that seem to kill us every year, it won&#8217;t matter. </p>
<p>does the fact that we lost two in a row bother me? not at all. but the way they did it bothers me. how many times will i have to watch a team gleefully leave tay open to brick 8 or more shots? how many more times will i have to see our offense turn to confused crap because they&#8217;ve started trapping chauncey? how many times will they get run ragged trying to guard the pick and roll? maybe only 3 or 4 teams in the league can really make us pay on those counts, but our road to another &#8217;ship is bound to be strewn with them.</p>
<p>we got beat by ridiculously inferior squad in last year&#8217;s ecf&#8217;s. they beat us because they knew our weaknesses and exploited them. the fresh legged starter theory is an excellent starting point, but we can&#8217;t just hope it solves all our other problems. i hope we&#8217;re working damn hard at plugging those holes, because you know other teams are working damn hard to exploit them.</p>
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