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	<title>Comments on: Pistons host suddenly healthy Kings</title>
	<link>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2008-01-18/pistons-host-suddenly-healthy-kings/</link>
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		<title>By: waltonlikesmen1</title>
		<link>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2008-01-18/pistons-host-suddenly-healthy-kings/#comment-119977</link>
		<dc:creator>waltonlikesmen1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jan 2008 02:33:20 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2008-01-18/pistons-host-suddenly-healthy-kings/#comment-119977</guid>
		<description>"Although I wish I could agree with the under-.500 thing, I can’t. Just because a team sucks doesn’t mean that there’s a player who is individually spectacular and worthy of the big stage at All-Star Weekend" - Garret

You brought up a good point, it touches on what I think the NBA's biggest problem is...

It promotes individualism over teamwork.  The all-star game shouldn't be a group of the best individual players, it should be the best team players.  How should individual merit come before group success in a TEAM sport?

I don't care if a guy can dunk from the three-point line.  If his team is losing, how valuable is he?  Basketball consists of five players that all have specific roles.  Ever since Jordan, the NBA has done nothing but promote the best individual players.  Dwayne Wayde winning a title in the fashion he and the Heat did was one of the lowest points this league has seen.  Problem is, most fans don't really care to try to understand the finer points of the game and only cheer for individual athleticism.  

While they may not garnish a lot of attention (Boston excluded), Detroit, San Antonio and Boston are the only teams keeping this league afloat right now for REAL basketball fans.  For the last decade, I've seen the all-star game and what it represents as counter-productive to the evolution of the game.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Although I wish I could agree with the under-.500 thing, I can’t. Just because a team sucks doesn’t mean that there’s a player who is individually spectacular and worthy of the big stage at All-Star Weekend&#8221; - Garret</p>
<p>You brought up a good point, it touches on what I think the NBA&#8217;s biggest problem is&#8230;</p>
<p>It promotes individualism over teamwork.  The all-star game shouldn&#8217;t be a group of the best individual players, it should be the best team players.  How should individual merit come before group success in a TEAM sport?</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t care if a guy can dunk from the three-point line.  If his team is losing, how valuable is he?  Basketball consists of five players that all have specific roles.  Ever since Jordan, the NBA has done nothing but promote the best individual players.  Dwayne Wayde winning a title in the fashion he and the Heat did was one of the lowest points this league has seen.  Problem is, most fans don&#8217;t really care to try to understand the finer points of the game and only cheer for individual athleticism.  </p>
<p>While they may not garnish a lot of attention (Boston excluded), Detroit, San Antonio and Boston are the only teams keeping this league afloat right now for REAL basketball fans.  For the last decade, I&#8217;ve seen the all-star game and what it represents as counter-productive to the evolution of the game.</p>
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		<title>By: LawyerBoy</title>
		<link>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2008-01-18/pistons-host-suddenly-healthy-kings/#comment-119952</link>
		<dc:creator>LawyerBoy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jan 2008 01:36:48 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2008-01-18/pistons-host-suddenly-healthy-kings/#comment-119952</guid>
		<description>garrett, mad l33t post, and you're right, NBA All-Star voting definitely sux0rz, as bad as when you download warez and then it has a corrupted file.  Seriously though, it's just a stupid showcase game that carries as much importance as an NFL exhibition game.  when Vince Carter is on though, I love watching him play.  He's such a schmuck, but damn is he good. Re: fan votes, I always say Garrett, people are dumb.  A person can be smart, but people on the whole are dumb, especially if you look at recent voting trends.  Just look at the strategery of the American people when they picked their last president.  And he's supposed to be the penultimate representative of the good in American people.  Like W and the crack staff @ perkisabeast, it's not hard to find reminders of how people all around us are rather dumb.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>garrett, mad l33t post, and you&#8217;re right, NBA All-Star voting definitely sux0rz, as bad as when you download warez and then it has a corrupted file.  Seriously though, it&#8217;s just a stupid showcase game that carries as much importance as an NFL exhibition game.  when Vince Carter is on though, I love watching him play.  He&#8217;s such a schmuck, but damn is he good. Re: fan votes, I always say Garrett, people are dumb.  A person can be smart, but people on the whole are dumb, especially if you look at recent voting trends.  Just look at the strategery of the American people when they picked their last president.  And he&#8217;s supposed to be the penultimate representative of the good in American people.  Like W and the crack staff @ perkisabeast, it&#8217;s not hard to find reminders of how people all around us are rather dumb.</p>
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		<title>By: Garrett</title>
		<link>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2008-01-18/pistons-host-suddenly-healthy-kings/#comment-119949</link>
		<dc:creator>Garrett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jan 2008 01:23:51 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2008-01-18/pistons-host-suddenly-healthy-kings/#comment-119949</guid>
		<description>LawyerBoy:  I agree with everything you said.  I was just saying that fan voting sux0rz and needs to change, although I don't exactly see how.  Stern and his marketing machine loves them some fan votin'.  All-Star Weekend is fun and all, but if Shaq is hurt and Tracy McGrady isn't as unstoppable as he was those few years in Orlando, I wish the fans would pick players more relevant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LawyerBoy:  I agree with everything you said.  I was just saying that fan voting sux0rz and needs to change, although I don&#8217;t exactly see how.  Stern and his marketing machine loves them some fan votin&#8217;.  All-Star Weekend is fun and all, but if Shaq is hurt and Tracy McGrady isn&#8217;t as unstoppable as he was those few years in Orlando, I wish the fans would pick players more relevant.</p>
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		<title>By: Quick Darshan</title>
		<link>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2008-01-18/pistons-host-suddenly-healthy-kings/#comment-119936</link>
		<dc:creator>Quick Darshan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jan 2008 00:33:49 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2008-01-18/pistons-host-suddenly-healthy-kings/#comment-119936</guid>
		<description>I'm with you LB.  Flip is just an easy scapegoat.  I trust JoeD and I believe that if he thought Flip was the problem, he'd be gone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m with you LB.  Flip is just an easy scapegoat.  I trust JoeD and I believe that if he thought Flip was the problem, he&#8217;d be gone.</p>
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		<title>By: LawyerBoy</title>
		<link>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2008-01-18/pistons-host-suddenly-healthy-kings/#comment-119923</link>
		<dc:creator>LawyerBoy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jan 2008 00:00:54 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2008-01-18/pistons-host-suddenly-healthy-kings/#comment-119923</guid>
		<description>And also, joejoejoe: Couldn't agree more, but I think we have plenty of time to see what Hermann has and I am hopeful/something just short of confident that we will.  Flip Saunders has won 72% of his games as coach of the Pistons, and I'm starting to discover that maybe Kevin Garnett is the reason Kevin Garnett has never won a title.  Everyone can feel free to push me in front of oncoming rush hour traffic on Woodward, but I actually find myself staunchly behind Flip Saunders' coaching.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And also, joejoejoe: Couldn&#8217;t agree more, but I think we have plenty of time to see what Hermann has and I am hopeful/something just short of confident that we will.  Flip Saunders has won 72% of his games as coach of the Pistons, and I&#8217;m starting to discover that maybe Kevin Garnett is the reason Kevin Garnett has never won a title.  Everyone can feel free to push me in front of oncoming rush hour traffic on Woodward, but I actually find myself staunchly behind Flip Saunders&#8217; coaching.</p>
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		<title>By: LawyerBoy</title>
		<link>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2008-01-18/pistons-host-suddenly-healthy-kings/#comment-119920</link>
		<dc:creator>LawyerBoy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jan 2008 23:57:15 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2008-01-18/pistons-host-suddenly-healthy-kings/#comment-119920</guid>
		<description>WLM1: Generally speaking, I think we're pretty solid on the 2nd night of back-to-backs as well as being solid after losses.  This Pistons team just won't have it some nights, and I look at last night as the perfect example.  I expect us to bounce back very nicely tonight in Chi-town.

Garrett: Vince Carter is insanely talented.  I'm not sure there's a more capable scorer from the entire floor in the NBA.  When his J is on, and it usually is to at least some extent, it's pure silk.  That being said, as an NBA player, he's not so great.  He's lazy in every way possible, he's not a good teammate, doesn't play defense, etc.  He's the perfect choice for an All-Star because the "fans" want to see displays of wildly dazzling offense, not substance.  It makes the All-Star game a spectacle.  I've resigned myself to understand that most "All-Stars" are just glorified showmen in a Slam Dunk-like sideshow performance.  If this is what the fans want, let them have it.  I think being named a reserve is more prestigious since it actually comes from NBA minds.  Apparently we don't represent the majority of NBA fans in what we view as an "All-Star", and if we do, our inaction creates these results.  I don't know about you, but I'm most worried about how the Pistons are doing in their games, not in contests determined by the voting public.  

Sometimes the winner of American Idol doesn't sell as many records  as one of the runner-ups.  Would you rather The Pistons win Idol or would you rather the Pistons sell the most records?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WLM1: Generally speaking, I think we&#8217;re pretty solid on the 2nd night of back-to-backs as well as being solid after losses.  This Pistons team just won&#8217;t have it some nights, and I look at last night as the perfect example.  I expect us to bounce back very nicely tonight in Chi-town.</p>
<p>Garrett: Vince Carter is insanely talented.  I&#8217;m not sure there&#8217;s a more capable scorer from the entire floor in the NBA.  When his J is on, and it usually is to at least some extent, it&#8217;s pure silk.  That being said, as an NBA player, he&#8217;s not so great.  He&#8217;s lazy in every way possible, he&#8217;s not a good teammate, doesn&#8217;t play defense, etc.  He&#8217;s the perfect choice for an All-Star because the &#8220;fans&#8221; want to see displays of wildly dazzling offense, not substance.  It makes the All-Star game a spectacle.  I&#8217;ve resigned myself to understand that most &#8220;All-Stars&#8221; are just glorified showmen in a Slam Dunk-like sideshow performance.  If this is what the fans want, let them have it.  I think being named a reserve is more prestigious since it actually comes from NBA minds.  Apparently we don&#8217;t represent the majority of NBA fans in what we view as an &#8220;All-Star&#8221;, and if we do, our inaction creates these results.  I don&#8217;t know about you, but I&#8217;m most worried about how the Pistons are doing in their games, not in contests determined by the voting public.  </p>
<p>Sometimes the winner of American Idol doesn&#8217;t sell as many records  as one of the runner-ups.  Would you rather The Pistons win Idol or would you rather the Pistons sell the most records?</p>
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		<title>By: Garrett</title>
		<link>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2008-01-18/pistons-host-suddenly-healthy-kings/#comment-119910</link>
		<dc:creator>Garrett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jan 2008 23:28:33 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2008-01-18/pistons-host-suddenly-healthy-kings/#comment-119910</guid>
		<description>waltonlikesmen1:  Although I wish I could agree with the under-.500 thing, I can't.  Just because a team sucks doesn't mean that there's a player who is individually spectacular and worthy of the big stage at All-Star Weekend.  Everyone should be eligible, but I don't think the fans should vote because fans don't know jack.  Vince Carter hasn't been good since 2001, yet people still vote for him?  The fan vote should be for the alternates, or as a tie-breaker, or something.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>waltonlikesmen1:  Although I wish I could agree with the under-.500 thing, I can&#8217;t.  Just because a team sucks doesn&#8217;t mean that there&#8217;s a player who is individually spectacular and worthy of the big stage at All-Star Weekend.  Everyone should be eligible, but I don&#8217;t think the fans should vote because fans don&#8217;t know jack.  Vince Carter hasn&#8217;t been good since 2001, yet people still vote for him?  The fan vote should be for the alternates, or as a tie-breaker, or something.</p>
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		<title>By: joejoejoe</title>
		<link>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2008-01-18/pistons-host-suddenly-healthy-kings/#comment-119901</link>
		<dc:creator>joejoejoe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jan 2008 22:23:07 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2008-01-18/pistons-host-suddenly-healthy-kings/#comment-119901</guid>
		<description>More Walter Herrmann please. The second unit is flat and Herrmann brings instant intensity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More Walter Herrmann please. The second unit is flat and Herrmann brings instant intensity.</p>
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		<title>By: Pinball</title>
		<link>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2008-01-18/pistons-host-suddenly-healthy-kings/#comment-119892</link>
		<dc:creator>Pinball</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jan 2008 21:46:04 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2008-01-18/pistons-host-suddenly-healthy-kings/#comment-119892</guid>
		<description>Look at Shaq.  How many games has he played?  He is second in voting behind Dwight Howard and his team has done a freefall all season.  How can you go from NBA champion to NBA chump in 2 seasons?  Sheed ought to get the nod over him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Look at Shaq.  How many games has he played?  He is second in voting behind Dwight Howard and his team has done a freefall all season.  How can you go from NBA champion to NBA chump in 2 seasons?  Sheed ought to get the nod over him.</p>
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		<title>By: waltonlikesmen1</title>
		<link>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2008-01-18/pistons-host-suddenly-healthy-kings/#comment-119873</link>
		<dc:creator>waltonlikesmen1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jan 2008 21:13:43 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2008-01-18/pistons-host-suddenly-healthy-kings/#comment-119873</guid>
		<description>"I swear to god if the Pistons play “Buddy Ball” against Ben and the Bulls tommorrow after this terrible defensive display Im gonna choke someone! They HAVE to win tommorrow!" - prophecy projectz

I have to agree.  I don't really care about losing to a Western Conference team that we won't see again until next year, but you'd think that after losing to a depleted Kings team earlier in the season, the Pistons would want to redeem themselves. Whatever though, this loss should motivate Detroit for their game in Chicago tonight.

The Bulls had to run up and down the court with Golden State last night in a game that they lost in the final minutes.  This team is just itching for a whooping!  Considering that they've already beat Detroit both times they've met so far, I really expect the Pistons to have a good game and win by at least 12 tonight.

Chicago has and will be one of those teams that I can't stand seeing Detroit lose to.  Let's hope today's game goes better than yesterdays's!

***SIDENOTE***
During the Bulls game last night, Jeff Van Gundy stated that he felt no team under .500 should be allowed to send someone to the all-star game.  I couldn't agree more.  I noticed that Tracy McGrady is one of the top vote getters even though he's done nothing this year and his team is struggling.  Once this core group of Pistons players is gone, I have a feeling I'll be over the NBA for a while.  Thanks Mr. Stern!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I swear to god if the Pistons play “Buddy Ball” against Ben and the Bulls tommorrow after this terrible defensive display Im gonna choke someone! They HAVE to win tommorrow!&#8221; - prophecy projectz</p>
<p>I have to agree.  I don&#8217;t really care about losing to a Western Conference team that we won&#8217;t see again until next year, but you&#8217;d think that after losing to a depleted Kings team earlier in the season, the Pistons would want to redeem themselves. Whatever though, this loss should motivate Detroit for their game in Chicago tonight.</p>
<p>The Bulls had to run up and down the court with Golden State last night in a game that they lost in the final minutes.  This team is just itching for a whooping!  Considering that they&#8217;ve already beat Detroit both times they&#8217;ve met so far, I really expect the Pistons to have a good game and win by at least 12 tonight.</p>
<p>Chicago has and will be one of those teams that I can&#8217;t stand seeing Detroit lose to.  Let&#8217;s hope today&#8217;s game goes better than yesterdays&#8217;s!</p>
<p>***SIDENOTE***<br />
During the Bulls game last night, Jeff Van Gundy stated that he felt no team under .500 should be allowed to send someone to the all-star game.  I couldn&#8217;t agree more.  I noticed that Tracy McGrady is one of the top vote getters even though he&#8217;s done nothing this year and his team is struggling.  Once this core group of Pistons players is gone, I have a feeling I&#8217;ll be over the NBA for a while.  Thanks Mr. Stern!</p>
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		<title>By: Quick Darshan</title>
		<link>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2008-01-18/pistons-host-suddenly-healthy-kings/#comment-119870</link>
		<dc:creator>Quick Darshan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jan 2008 21:07:06 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2008-01-18/pistons-host-suddenly-healthy-kings/#comment-119870</guid>
		<description>I agree.  I can't stand Noah and found this whole suspension thing the most enjoyable NBA story of the year.  What would have made it better if he and BigBen got in a physical altercation.  I think we all know how that would turn out.

Early in the year, I posted a comment asking people to put bets on who the first player to take a swing at Noah would be.  My guess was Ruben Patterson, but he's no longer on a team.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree.  I can&#8217;t stand Noah and found this whole suspension thing the most enjoyable NBA story of the year.  What would have made it better if he and BigBen got in a physical altercation.  I think we all know how that would turn out.</p>
<p>Early in the year, I posted a comment asking people to put bets on who the first player to take a swing at Noah would be.  My guess was Ruben Patterson, but he&#8217;s no longer on a team.</p>
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		<title>By: Pinball</title>
		<link>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2008-01-18/pistons-host-suddenly-healthy-kings/#comment-119868</link>
		<dc:creator>Pinball</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jan 2008 20:58:51 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2008-01-18/pistons-host-suddenly-healthy-kings/#comment-119868</guid>
		<description>Okay, which Pistons team is going to show up tonight?  I, for one, hope that Maxiell has an opportunity to give Noah a nice, hard foul.  I can't stand that kid.  It says something when your teammates vote to give you a "time out" for a couple of games.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, which Pistons team is going to show up tonight?  I, for one, hope that Maxiell has an opportunity to give Noah a nice, hard foul.  I can&#8217;t stand that kid.  It says something when your teammates vote to give you a &#8220;time out&#8221; for a couple of games.</p>
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		<title>By: Quick Darshan</title>
		<link>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2008-01-18/pistons-host-suddenly-healthy-kings/#comment-119862</link>
		<dc:creator>Quick Darshan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jan 2008 20:12:06 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2008-01-18/pistons-host-suddenly-healthy-kings/#comment-119862</guid>
		<description>Basically, voting for players that don't get in on reputation alone even if they're having off years or have been injured for three months.  (Although I didn't realize JJ and CBut were in the game last year, shows you how much I pay attention).  I think I voted for Bosh too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Basically, voting for players that don&#8217;t get in on reputation alone even if they&#8217;re having off years or have been injured for three months.  (Although I didn&#8217;t realize JJ and CBut were in the game last year, shows you how much I pay attention).  I think I voted for Bosh too.</p>
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		<title>By: Toledo Joe</title>
		<link>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2008-01-18/pistons-host-suddenly-healthy-kings/#comment-119861</link>
		<dc:creator>Toledo Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jan 2008 20:10:49 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2008-01-18/pistons-host-suddenly-healthy-kings/#comment-119861</guid>
		<description>I would just repeat, five points from the bench.  I know "developing" the bench in general and Stuckey in particular will mean some ups and downs.  I'm hoping this is a "down" and not a "really worrying sign."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would just repeat, five points from the bench.  I know &#8220;developing&#8221; the bench in general and Stuckey in particular will mean some ups and downs.  I&#8217;m hoping this is a &#8220;down&#8221; and not a &#8220;really worrying sign.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: LawyerBoy</title>
		<link>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2008-01-18/pistons-host-suddenly-healthy-kings/#comment-119859</link>
		<dc:creator>LawyerBoy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jan 2008 20:02:20 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2008-01-18/pistons-host-suddenly-healthy-kings/#comment-119859</guid>
		<description>QD, not that I necessarily disagree with any of those choices, but the reasoning confuses me.  Didn't Butler and Johnson play in last year's all-star game as reserves (albeit Johnson made it because of an injury to Jason Kidd)?  Obviously no one would confuse Chris Kaman pre-2007 with an NBA All-Star.  Were you saying you voted for them because they've never been starters?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>QD, not that I necessarily disagree with any of those choices, but the reasoning confuses me.  Didn&#8217;t Butler and Johnson play in last year&#8217;s all-star game as reserves (albeit Johnson made it because of an injury to Jason Kidd)?  Obviously no one would confuse Chris Kaman pre-2007 with an NBA All-Star.  Were you saying you voted for them because they&#8217;ve never been starters?</p>
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