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	<title>Comments on: Pistons pace Indy</title>
	<link>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2008-01-30/pistons-pace-indy/</link>
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		<title>By: WLM1</title>
		<link>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2008-01-30/pistons-pace-indy/#comment-124561</link>
		<dc:creator>WLM1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2008 19:51:06 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2008-01-30/pistons-pace-indy/#comment-124561</guid>
		<description>My bad for misinterpreting your words.  No, a losing team with a high basketball IQ doesn't impress me.  Thing is, there's usually not a lot of losing teams that fit that descriptions.  There will always be exceptions, but IMO a smarter team will usually have an advantage against their opponents.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My bad for misinterpreting your words.  No, a losing team with a high basketball IQ doesn&#8217;t impress me.  Thing is, there&#8217;s usually not a lot of losing teams that fit that descriptions.  There will always be exceptions, but IMO a smarter team will usually have an advantage against their opponents.</p>
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		<title>By: Kyle</title>
		<link>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2008-01-30/pistons-pace-indy/#comment-124552</link>
		<dc:creator>Kyle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2008 19:14:42 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2008-01-30/pistons-pace-indy/#comment-124552</guid>
		<description>that's the thing, i never said i didn't appreciate it or that it's not important. i said it didn't impress me because i think there are other, more important things. obviously, as you stated, focus is more important.

if we regularly get beat in the playoffs by dumber teams, obviously our greater iq doesn't mean much. does a losing team with a high iq impress you?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>that&#8217;s the thing, i never said i didn&#8217;t appreciate it or that it&#8217;s not important. i said it didn&#8217;t impress me because i think there are other, more important things. obviously, as you stated, focus is more important.</p>
<p>if we regularly get beat in the playoffs by dumber teams, obviously our greater iq doesn&#8217;t mean much. does a losing team with a high iq impress you?</p>
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		<title>By: WLM1</title>
		<link>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2008-01-30/pistons-pace-indy/#comment-124548</link>
		<dc:creator>WLM1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2008 18:52:36 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2008-01-30/pistons-pace-indy/#comment-124548</guid>
		<description>HA HA!  You could type on for days talking about nothing, still won't change the fact that you wrote one of the dumbest things I've ever read on a basketball related website.  Really dude, I'm not trying to get hostile with you.  You're right, Sheed's emotions can negate his IQ for the game along with the rest of his abilities.  I don't remember saying a word about C-Web and his IQ, but it did help him have a pretty good career in the NBA.  If I remember correctly, mental lapses, or that is, the Pistons neglecting their IQ and playing with their heads up their backsides was what got them knocked out of the playoffs by a lesser team.  

Really though, you seem like a cool dude for the most part, we both love the same team, no reason to go back and forth like this.  I appreciate basketball IQ, apparently you don't.  That's cool, now let's get on with the season.  What do you think about this Mavs game coming up?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HA HA!  You could type on for days talking about nothing, still won&#8217;t change the fact that you wrote one of the dumbest things I&#8217;ve ever read on a basketball related website.  Really dude, I&#8217;m not trying to get hostile with you.  You&#8217;re right, Sheed&#8217;s emotions can negate his IQ for the game along with the rest of his abilities.  I don&#8217;t remember saying a word about C-Web and his IQ, but it did help him have a pretty good career in the NBA.  If I remember correctly, mental lapses, or that is, the Pistons neglecting their IQ and playing with their heads up their backsides was what got them knocked out of the playoffs by a lesser team.  </p>
<p>Really though, you seem like a cool dude for the most part, we both love the same team, no reason to go back and forth like this.  I appreciate basketball IQ, apparently you don&#8217;t.  That&#8217;s cool, now let&#8217;s get on with the season.  What do you think about this Mavs game coming up?</p>
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		<title>By: Kyle</title>
		<link>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2008-01-30/pistons-pace-indy/#comment-124519</link>
		<dc:creator>Kyle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2008 17:54:06 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2008-01-30/pistons-pace-indy/#comment-124519</guid>
		<description>that's fine, but there is a reason nobody wants webber. kendrick perkins is more valuable than webber is. nobody gives a damn about his basketball iq.

webber's basketball iq didn't help him from becoming a black hole on offense in the ecf's. it didn't keep sheed on horry in the '05 finals. it didn't help sheed back up his big mouth against the heat in '06. it didn't help him keep his composure against the cavs. we've had the most collective basketball iq in the league for years and it hasn't helped us win any more championships. a better coach and a better bench did. 

besides mr. "dumbest thing ever," if sheed's "high basketball iq" is so damn significant than why is he the current poster child for wasted opportunity? why hasn't he learned how to deal with refs? why does rasheed hurt our team as much as he helps us? if that is what makes for a high basketball iq, then a high basketball iq evidently means nothing. 

the last two years we were dominated in the playoffs by players with less than five years nba experience (d-wade, lebron). they didn't dominate us because they have higher basketball iq's than we did.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>that&#8217;s fine, but there is a reason nobody wants webber. kendrick perkins is more valuable than webber is. nobody gives a damn about his basketball iq.</p>
<p>webber&#8217;s basketball iq didn&#8217;t help him from becoming a black hole on offense in the ecf&#8217;s. it didn&#8217;t keep sheed on horry in the &#8216;05 finals. it didn&#8217;t help sheed back up his big mouth against the heat in &#8216;06. it didn&#8217;t help him keep his composure against the cavs. we&#8217;ve had the most collective basketball iq in the league for years and it hasn&#8217;t helped us win any more championships. a better coach and a better bench did. </p>
<p>besides mr. &#8220;dumbest thing ever,&#8221; if sheed&#8217;s &#8220;high basketball iq&#8221; is so damn significant than why is he the current poster child for wasted opportunity? why hasn&#8217;t he learned how to deal with refs? why does rasheed hurt our team as much as he helps us? if that is what makes for a high basketball iq, then a high basketball iq evidently means nothing. </p>
<p>the last two years we were dominated in the playoffs by players with less than five years nba experience (d-wade, lebron). they didn&#8217;t dominate us because they have higher basketball iq&#8217;s than we did.</p>
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		<title>By: WLM1</title>
		<link>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2008-01-30/pistons-pace-indy/#comment-124200</link>
		<dc:creator>WLM1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2008 00:57:52 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2008-01-30/pistons-pace-indy/#comment-124200</guid>
		<description>Well, there hasn't been one great team that didn't have a high level of basketball IQ.  Larry Bird is a prime example of just how deadly a high basketball IQ can be.  

"basketball iq doesn’t impress me" -Kyle

Could be the dumbest thing I'll ever hear a Pistons fan say in my life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, there hasn&#8217;t been one great team that didn&#8217;t have a high level of basketball IQ.  Larry Bird is a prime example of just how deadly a high basketball IQ can be.  </p>
<p>&#8220;basketball iq doesn’t impress me&#8221; -Kyle</p>
<p>Could be the dumbest thing I&#8217;ll ever hear a Pistons fan say in my life.</p>
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		<title>By: Kyle</title>
		<link>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2008-01-30/pistons-pace-indy/#comment-124173</link>
		<dc:creator>Kyle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 23:56:52 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2008-01-30/pistons-pace-indy/#comment-124173</guid>
		<description>last playoffs our high basketball iq got it's ass handed to it by a bunch of kids. and that was including webber's doctorate level "situational iq." 

again, i'm not saying sheed isn't great. he is, and he makes the entire team better. but sheed is a jack of all trades, master of none. i think a more one-dimensional, role player like a dwight howard or young shaq, somebody who lives and breathes in the paint, might help the team more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>last playoffs our high basketball iq got it&#8217;s ass handed to it by a bunch of kids. and that was including webber&#8217;s doctorate level &#8220;situational iq.&#8221; </p>
<p>again, i&#8217;m not saying sheed isn&#8217;t great. he is, and he makes the entire team better. but sheed is a jack of all trades, master of none. i think a more one-dimensional, role player like a dwight howard or young shaq, somebody who lives and breathes in the paint, might help the team more.</p>
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		<title>By: WLM1</title>
		<link>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2008-01-30/pistons-pace-indy/#comment-124154</link>
		<dc:creator>WLM1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 23:07:16 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2008-01-30/pistons-pace-indy/#comment-124154</guid>
		<description>Basketball IQ doesn't impress you?  Funny, I always thought that it was the one advantage they had on all of their opponents.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Basketball IQ doesn&#8217;t impress you?  Funny, I always thought that it was the one advantage they had on all of their opponents.</p>
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		<title>By: Kyle</title>
		<link>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2008-01-30/pistons-pace-indy/#comment-124142</link>
		<dc:creator>Kyle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 22:30:21 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2008-01-30/pistons-pace-indy/#comment-124142</guid>
		<description>i'm about to leave for home so i'll just say this, short and sweet. basketball iq doesn't impress me. webber's basketball iq didn't help us in the playoffs, and sheed's has abandoned him in crucial moments (does robert horry take last second threes?). he may not have as varied a skill set or as much experience or as high an iq, but if i had the choice to switch sheed for dwight howard just for the rest of the season. and i'm pretty sure we'd end up with a ring in the deal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i&#8217;m about to leave for home so i&#8217;ll just say this, short and sweet. basketball iq doesn&#8217;t impress me. webber&#8217;s basketball iq didn&#8217;t help us in the playoffs, and sheed&#8217;s has abandoned him in crucial moments (does robert horry take last second threes?). he may not have as varied a skill set or as much experience or as high an iq, but if i had the choice to switch sheed for dwight howard just for the rest of the season. and i&#8217;m pretty sure we&#8217;d end up with a ring in the deal.</p>
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		<title>By: WLM1</title>
		<link>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2008-01-30/pistons-pace-indy/#comment-124135</link>
		<dc:creator>WLM1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 22:17:24 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2008-01-30/pistons-pace-indy/#comment-124135</guid>
		<description>It all depends on who we got in return for Sheed.  What I mean with the up the creek remark was, imagine the Pistons as they are now with Rasheed removed for the line-up.  Say for instance, he got injured (knock on wood)?  I'd be willing to bet that we'd be fresh out of paddles.

As for a post guy that is willing to live in the paint for the whole game, well, there are a lot of those around the league.  Question is, which one would you pick?  IMO, Sheed's "tramp ball", interior defense, and general basketball IQ make Sheed, even at an old age, better than the rest of those guys.  His ability to shoot from anywhere,along with McDyess' 15-20 footers, give the Pistons what is essentially the most versatile starting front court in the league.  Having some guy whose offense only comes in the paint would be giving us less options.  Sure we have shooters, but no one else has a seven-foot shooter like Sheed.  Plus, his post game is as solid as any other big man's in the league, minus perhaps Tim Duncan's.

Unfortunately, the question then becomes, with such a talented big man on your squad, why is the team not using him to the fullest advantage as they should be?

Your guess is as good as mine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It all depends on who we got in return for Sheed.  What I mean with the up the creek remark was, imagine the Pistons as they are now with Rasheed removed for the line-up.  Say for instance, he got injured (knock on wood)?  I&#8217;d be willing to bet that we&#8217;d be fresh out of paddles.</p>
<p>As for a post guy that is willing to live in the paint for the whole game, well, there are a lot of those around the league.  Question is, which one would you pick?  IMO, Sheed&#8217;s &#8220;tramp ball&#8221;, interior defense, and general basketball IQ make Sheed, even at an old age, better than the rest of those guys.  His ability to shoot from anywhere,along with McDyess&#8217; 15-20 footers, give the Pistons what is essentially the most versatile starting front court in the league.  Having some guy whose offense only comes in the paint would be giving us less options.  Sure we have shooters, but no one else has a seven-foot shooter like Sheed.  Plus, his post game is as solid as any other big man&#8217;s in the league, minus perhaps Tim Duncan&#8217;s.</p>
<p>Unfortunately, the question then becomes, with such a talented big man on your squad, why is the team not using him to the fullest advantage as they should be?</p>
<p>Your guess is as good as mine.</p>
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		<title>By: Kyle</title>
		<link>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2008-01-30/pistons-pace-indy/#comment-124124</link>
		<dc:creator>Kyle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 22:00:03 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2008-01-30/pistons-pace-indy/#comment-124124</guid>
		<description>agreed, sheed is definitely a unique talent. but i don't agree that if he left we'd be up the creek without a paddle. some said the same about ben and we didn't skip a beat. he's a fantastic player, but like most players, he brings positives and negatives.

and just to throw this out there to stir the pot a little. on a team dripping with shooters i'm not sure that sheed is the best fit for us. wouldn't someone willing to bang down low for an entire game help us more?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>agreed, sheed is definitely a unique talent. but i don&#8217;t agree that if he left we&#8217;d be up the creek without a paddle. some said the same about ben and we didn&#8217;t skip a beat. he&#8217;s a fantastic player, but like most players, he brings positives and negatives.</p>
<p>and just to throw this out there to stir the pot a little. on a team dripping with shooters i&#8217;m not sure that sheed is the best fit for us. wouldn&#8217;t someone willing to bang down low for an entire game help us more?</p>
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		<title>By: WLM1</title>
		<link>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2008-01-30/pistons-pace-indy/#comment-124098</link>
		<dc:creator>WLM1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 20:25:25 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2008-01-30/pistons-pace-indy/#comment-124098</guid>
		<description>Kyle, I agree, Sheed's "meltdowns" don't bring anything positive.  I just hope that, come playoff time, when Sheed starts getting the short end of the officiating stick (probably the only post-season guarantee at this point), he takes all of that frustration out on Detroit's opponents.  If for one post-season he can do that, I almost know that the Palace will gets it's fourth championship banner.  

As far as someone else being able to "fill the hole" as Kyle said in Sheed's absence, yes, I do think there are other big men that would give us enough to make us title contenders.  As far as another big man with a skillset that can be compared to Sheed's?  Nope, not one comes to mind, no matter how long I think about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kyle, I agree, Sheed&#8217;s &#8220;meltdowns&#8221; don&#8217;t bring anything positive.  I just hope that, come playoff time, when Sheed starts getting the short end of the officiating stick (probably the only post-season guarantee at this point), he takes all of that frustration out on Detroit&#8217;s opponents.  If for one post-season he can do that, I almost know that the Palace will gets it&#8217;s fourth championship banner.  </p>
<p>As far as someone else being able to &#8220;fill the hole&#8221; as Kyle said in Sheed&#8217;s absence, yes, I do think there are other big men that would give us enough to make us title contenders.  As far as another big man with a skillset that can be compared to Sheed&#8217;s?  Nope, not one comes to mind, no matter how long I think about it.</p>
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		<title>By: Kyle</title>
		<link>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2008-01-30/pistons-pace-indy/#comment-124089</link>
		<dc:creator>Kyle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 19:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2008-01-30/pistons-pace-indy/#comment-124089</guid>
		<description>it's a hard subjec to really wrap your mind around. for the most part i agree with WLM, he seems more than glad to win as a team rather than getting great stats and that is commendable. 

However, seeing how dominant we tend to be when we play inside out (this game and the Spurs game), it just seems stupid that we don't do it more often. is that sheed's fault for not getting low and demanding the ball? chauncey and rip's for not getting it to him? flip's for focusing too much on the perimeter players initiating?

also, i don't think there are a lot of centers in the game today who bring what Sheed brings, but I'm not going to pretend that he's the only one who could fill that hole for us to be successful. i also don't let sheed off the hook for his temper. it's great that he's passionate and many refs (cough cough javie cough) obviously have it in for him, but too often his passion becomes a negative at the worst times. every time he has a melt down in the playoffs he might as well be putting up a white flag.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>it&#8217;s a hard subjec to really wrap your mind around. for the most part i agree with WLM, he seems more than glad to win as a team rather than getting great stats and that is commendable. </p>
<p>However, seeing how dominant we tend to be when we play inside out (this game and the Spurs game), it just seems stupid that we don&#8217;t do it more often. is that sheed&#8217;s fault for not getting low and demanding the ball? chauncey and rip&#8217;s for not getting it to him? flip&#8217;s for focusing too much on the perimeter players initiating?</p>
<p>also, i don&#8217;t think there are a lot of centers in the game today who bring what Sheed brings, but I&#8217;m not going to pretend that he&#8217;s the only one who could fill that hole for us to be successful. i also don&#8217;t let sheed off the hook for his temper. it&#8217;s great that he&#8217;s passionate and many refs (cough cough javie cough) obviously have it in for him, but too often his passion becomes a negative at the worst times. every time he has a melt down in the playoffs he might as well be putting up a white flag.</p>
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		<title>By: WLM1</title>
		<link>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2008-01-30/pistons-pace-indy/#comment-124086</link>
		<dc:creator>WLM1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 19:27:56 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2008-01-30/pistons-pace-indy/#comment-124086</guid>
		<description>QD, that Blazers-Lakers series as pretty memorable.  I live in California and still remember how much all of the Lakers fans I know (boy are there a lot of them out here) hated Sheed.  They hated that guy to death and still do!  Revisionist historians like to say that Shaq got the better of Sheed that series.  BS!  The refs and their fourth quarter foul calls got the better of Sheed.  Bottomline, he was outshining Shaq during his prime in a playoff series.  Thanks again QD for reminding me of that, seems like ages ago.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>QD, that Blazers-Lakers series as pretty memorable.  I live in California and still remember how much all of the Lakers fans I know (boy are there a lot of them out here) hated Sheed.  They hated that guy to death and still do!  Revisionist historians like to say that Shaq got the better of Sheed that series.  BS!  The refs and their fourth quarter foul calls got the better of Sheed.  Bottomline, he was outshining Shaq during his prime in a playoff series.  Thanks again QD for reminding me of that, seems like ages ago.</p>
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		<title>By: WLM1</title>
		<link>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2008-01-30/pistons-pace-indy/#comment-124084</link>
		<dc:creator>WLM1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 19:22:30 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2008-01-30/pistons-pace-indy/#comment-124084</guid>
		<description>One thing Sheed never gets credit for though is that while we all know he could the most dominant big man in the league, he has bought into a team and its system.  He's accepted the fact that he's not always going to be our go to guy and he plays great within this system.  I don't think he gets recognized for that because people (myself included) focus on what he's not doing.  Many people that don't follow the Pistons or don't care for Detroit claim Sheed has a bad attitude and an ego, resulting in all the technicals.  I disagree.  I think that there are many players with egos that would make Sheed's pale in comparison.  Anyone that can play on this team has to be somewhat humble, at least in a professional sense.  As far as a the technicals go, I just think this guy cares about winning and losing more than anyone I've ever seen.  BTW, a lot of the calls that go against Sheed,  he usually has a case for being pissed.

I'm not trying to make it sound like I worship the ground Rasheed walks on or don't think he can do any wrong, but I will say that if Rasheed were to leave this team, we'd be up the river pretty far without any pattles in sight.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One thing Sheed never gets credit for though is that while we all know he could the most dominant big man in the league, he has bought into a team and its system.  He&#8217;s accepted the fact that he&#8217;s not always going to be our go to guy and he plays great within this system.  I don&#8217;t think he gets recognized for that because people (myself included) focus on what he&#8217;s not doing.  Many people that don&#8217;t follow the Pistons or don&#8217;t care for Detroit claim Sheed has a bad attitude and an ego, resulting in all the technicals.  I disagree.  I think that there are many players with egos that would make Sheed&#8217;s pale in comparison.  Anyone that can play on this team has to be somewhat humble, at least in a professional sense.  As far as a the technicals go, I just think this guy cares about winning and losing more than anyone I&#8217;ve ever seen.  BTW, a lot of the calls that go against Sheed,  he usually has a case for being pissed.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not trying to make it sound like I worship the ground Rasheed walks on or don&#8217;t think he can do any wrong, but I will say that if Rasheed were to leave this team, we&#8217;d be up the river pretty far without any pattles in sight.</p>
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		<title>By: Laughton</title>
		<link>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2008-01-30/pistons-pace-indy/#comment-123920</link>
		<dc:creator>Laughton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 09:41:08 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2008-01-30/pistons-pace-indy/#comment-123920</guid>
		<description>Ohad you are my bloody hero!
I had lost the means to watch games, but now I am happy.</description>
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I had lost the means to watch games, but now I am happy.</p>
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