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	<title>Comments on: Does Detroit take losers lightly?</title>
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	<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 12:46:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: What if the Pistons played in the West? &#124; Detroit Bad Boys</title>
		<link>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2008-03-13/does-detroit-take-losers-lightly/#comment-129052</link>
		<dc:creator>What if the Pistons played in the West? &#124; Detroit Bad Boys</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 08:48:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] but it&#8217;s certainly a different (and surprising) way of looking at things. Just like the Pistons don&#8217;t take sub-.500 teams quite as lightly as anecdotal evidence suggests, they also fare better against the superior conference than one [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] but it&#8217;s certainly a different (and surprising) way of looking at things. Just like the Pistons don&#8217;t take sub-.500 teams quite as lightly as anecdotal evidence suggests, they also fare better against the superior conference than one [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: JackDutch</title>
		<link>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2008-03-13/does-detroit-take-losers-lightly/#comment-128327</link>
		<dc:creator>JackDutch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Mar 2008 02:16:55 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2008-03-13/does-detroit-take-losers-lightly/#comment-128327</guid>
		<description>uh, isn't being a fan of any team being a "homer"? does your friend, deney terrio, just love everybody, sauce? f bruce bowen. hope he enjoys starting his new consecutive games streak tomorrow in philly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>uh, isn&#8217;t being a fan of any team being a &#8220;homer&#8221;? does your friend, deney terrio, just love everybody, sauce? f bruce bowen. hope he enjoys starting his new consecutive games streak tomorrow in philly.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Payne</title>
		<link>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2008-03-13/does-detroit-take-losers-lightly/#comment-128264</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Payne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Mar 2008 00:17:50 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2008-03-13/does-detroit-take-losers-lightly/#comment-128264</guid>
		<description>Mike, Detroit is 8th on your list-- but behind #6 and #7 (tied) by just .3%

Los Angeles Lakers 37.5%
San Antonio        37.5%
Detroit            37.2%

Wow, that is a colossal margin.  We should give up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike, Detroit is 8th on your list&#8211; but behind #6 and #7 (tied) by just .3%</p>
<p>Los Angeles Lakers 37.5%<br />
San Antonio        37.5%<br />
Detroit            37.2%</p>
<p>Wow, that is a colossal margin.  We should give up.</p>
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		<title>By: Keegan</title>
		<link>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2008-03-13/does-detroit-take-losers-lightly/#comment-128259</link>
		<dc:creator>Keegan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Mar 2008 23:46:43 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2008-03-13/does-detroit-take-losers-lightly/#comment-128259</guid>
		<description>Bruce Bowen is good, but I like the equally annoying James Posey for his rebounding and slightly more consistent offense.  He's also fond of whipping up on people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bruce Bowen is good, but I like the equally annoying James Posey for his rebounding and slightly more consistent offense.  He&#8217;s also fond of whipping up on people.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2008-03-13/does-detroit-take-losers-lightly/#comment-128258</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Mar 2008 23:32:21 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2008-03-13/does-detroit-take-losers-lightly/#comment-128258</guid>
		<description>The only serious contenders for the NBA Finals that we are better at shooting 3 point shots are Dallas and Utah if you consider Utah as a serious contender and we haven't beaten Utah in years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The only serious contenders for the NBA Finals that we are better at shooting 3 point shots are Dallas and Utah if you consider Utah as a serious contender and we haven&#8217;t beaten Utah in years.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2008-03-13/does-detroit-take-losers-lightly/#comment-128256</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Mar 2008 23:29:02 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2008-03-13/does-detroit-take-losers-lightly/#comment-128256</guid>
		<description>The top shooting 3 point teams in the league by percentage are

Toronto
New Orleans
Boston
Phoenix
Orlando
Los Angeles Lakers
San Antonio
Detroit

Cleveland is 11th but Pavlovic and Gibson have missed most of the year and is a better shooting 3 point team than us when Pavlovic and Gibson are playing.

So in the East we are worst of the top 4 teams
We are behind the 4 of the top 6 teams in the West.  Only Houston and Utah are behind us of the top 6 and neither one of those two are likely to make it to the Finals

So of the top 8 contenders for the NBA Finals we are the worst 3 point shooting team.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The top shooting 3 point teams in the league by percentage are</p>
<p>Toronto<br />
New Orleans<br />
Boston<br />
Phoenix<br />
Orlando<br />
Los Angeles Lakers<br />
San Antonio<br />
Detroit</p>
<p>Cleveland is 11th but Pavlovic and Gibson have missed most of the year and is a better shooting 3 point team than us when Pavlovic and Gibson are playing.</p>
<p>So in the East we are worst of the top 4 teams<br />
We are behind the 4 of the top 6 teams in the West.  Only Houston and Utah are behind us of the top 6 and neither one of those two are likely to make it to the Finals</p>
<p>So of the top 8 contenders for the NBA Finals we are the worst 3 point shooting team.</p>
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		<title>By: Sauce1977</title>
		<link>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2008-03-13/does-detroit-take-losers-lightly/#comment-128255</link>
		<dc:creator>Sauce1977</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Mar 2008 22:56:21 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2008-03-13/does-detroit-take-losers-lightly/#comment-128255</guid>
		<description>From TrueHoop, a userid of "dantrevino" . . . re: Bruce Bowen

"What a bunch of hypocrites NBA fans are.

When Raja Bell clotheslines Kobe, Suns fans cheer, Laker fans scream. When Horry bumps Nash, Suns fans whine. Kobe has a very clear history of throwing elbows, yet Laker fans see this as somehow 'better' than what Bell did to him.

If you're a Jazz fan, you loved Malone's dirty play. If you're a Pistons fan, you loved Laimbeer's dirty play. If you are a Celtics fan, you loved Ainge and McHale's dirty play.

Why don't you all admit that if Bowen was on your team you would love him. Don't deny it. There is no logic here, just a bunch of whining homers"

I emphatically agree.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From TrueHoop, a userid of &#8220;dantrevino&#8221; . . . re: Bruce Bowen</p>
<p>&#8220;What a bunch of hypocrites NBA fans are.</p>
<p>When Raja Bell clotheslines Kobe, Suns fans cheer, Laker fans scream. When Horry bumps Nash, Suns fans whine. Kobe has a very clear history of throwing elbows, yet Laker fans see this as somehow &#8216;better&#8217; than what Bell did to him.</p>
<p>If you&#8217;re a Jazz fan, you loved Malone&#8217;s dirty play. If you&#8217;re a Pistons fan, you loved Laimbeer&#8217;s dirty play. If you are a Celtics fan, you loved Ainge and McHale&#8217;s dirty play.</p>
<p>Why don&#8217;t you all admit that if Bowen was on your team you would love him. Don&#8217;t deny it. There is no logic here, just a bunch of whining homers&#8221;</p>
<p>I emphatically agree.</p>
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		<title>By: Sauce1977</title>
		<link>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2008-03-13/does-detroit-take-losers-lightly/#comment-128254</link>
		<dc:creator>Sauce1977</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Mar 2008 22:43:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2008-03-13/does-detroit-take-losers-lightly/#comment-128254</guid>
		<description>MP:

I just noticed this, it's late in the making.  I think QD's reaction was a solid answer, in terms of my own srs bsnss choices matching much with his.

The following . . .  is for the lols.

1) Brown and Daly aside, which Pistons coach would you take over Flip?

* Dick Vitale.  It's awesome, baby!

2) What three NBA coaches would you take over Flip (excluding Jackson and Popov)?

* I wanted Phil Jackson when Larry left.  Excluding those two:

McMillan, Adelman, Mo Cheeks.

For lols: any former Piston player, especially newbs . . . Michael Curry.  Uncle Cliffy Robinson.  Darvin Ham.  Christian Laettner.  Dale Davis.  Let's get that overrated Avery Johnson deal going, yeah!

3) Would you take Doc Rivers over Flip Saunders?

No.  But yes, if you wanted a lot of D'Antoni face-melters, jaw-droppers, but not much better for adjustments, player matchups, clutch play diagrams, respect .  .  . add Scott Skiles to this list of lol.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MP:</p>
<p>I just noticed this, it&#8217;s late in the making.  I think QD&#8217;s reaction was a solid answer, in terms of my own srs bsnss choices matching much with his.</p>
<p>The following . . .  is for the lols.</p>
<p>1) Brown and Daly aside, which Pistons coach would you take over Flip?</p>
<p>* Dick Vitale.  It&#8217;s awesome, baby!</p>
<p>2) What three NBA coaches would you take over Flip (excluding Jackson and Popov)?</p>
<p>* I wanted Phil Jackson when Larry left.  Excluding those two:</p>
<p>McMillan, Adelman, Mo Cheeks.</p>
<p>For lols: any former Piston player, especially newbs . . . Michael Curry.  Uncle Cliffy Robinson.  Darvin Ham.  Christian Laettner.  Dale Davis.  Let&#8217;s get that overrated Avery Johnson deal going, yeah!</p>
<p>3) Would you take Doc Rivers over Flip Saunders?</p>
<p>No.  But yes, if you wanted a lot of D&#8217;Antoni face-melters, jaw-droppers, but not much better for adjustments, player matchups, clutch play diagrams, respect .  .  . add Scott Skiles to this list of lol.</p>
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		<title>By: JackDutch</title>
		<link>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2008-03-13/does-detroit-take-losers-lightly/#comment-128253</link>
		<dc:creator>JackDutch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Mar 2008 22:36:27 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2008-03-13/does-detroit-take-losers-lightly/#comment-128253</guid>
		<description>bruce bowen is NOT a dirty player.

(smile cracking, laughter flowing, sarcasm in full bloom...)

who will rip NOT guard now? what's the over/under on how many times gino-blows whips past hamilton to the tin?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>bruce bowen is NOT a dirty player.</p>
<p>(smile cracking, laughter flowing, sarcasm in full bloom&#8230;)</p>
<p>who will rip NOT guard now? what&#8217;s the over/under on how many times gino-blows whips past hamilton to the tin?</p>
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		<title>By: Toledo Joe</title>
		<link>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2008-03-13/does-detroit-take-losers-lightly/#comment-128250</link>
		<dc:creator>Toledo Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Mar 2008 21:41:22 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2008-03-13/does-detroit-take-losers-lightly/#comment-128250</guid>
		<description>Hmm, was Paul hurt enough that he won't play against Detroit?  Could be a two-fer!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm, was Paul hurt enough that he won&#8217;t play against Detroit?  Could be a two-fer!</p>
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		<title>By: IsraeliPiston</title>
		<link>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2008-03-13/does-detroit-take-losers-lightly/#comment-128249</link>
		<dc:creator>IsraeliPiston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Mar 2008 21:18:01 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2008-03-13/does-detroit-take-losers-lightly/#comment-128249</guid>
		<description>from truehoop
bruce bowen suspended and will not play tonight



    Bruce Bowen of the San Antonio Spurs has been suspended one game without pay for striking Chris Paul of the New Orleans Hornets with his leg, it was announced today by Stu Jackson, NBA Executive Vice President, Basketball Operations.

    The incident occurred following a foul call on Paul with 5:15 remaining in the third period of the Spurs' 100-75 loss to the Hornets on Wednesday, March 12 at New Orleans Arena. Bowen will serve his suspension tonight when the Spurs visit the Detroit Pistons at The Palace of Auburn Hills.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>from truehoop<br />
bruce bowen suspended and will not play tonight</p>
<p>    Bruce Bowen of the San Antonio Spurs has been suspended one game without pay for striking Chris Paul of the New Orleans Hornets with his leg, it was announced today by Stu Jackson, NBA Executive Vice President, Basketball Operations.</p>
<p>    The incident occurred following a foul call on Paul with 5:15 remaining in the third period of the Spurs&#8217; 100-75 loss to the Hornets on Wednesday, March 12 at New Orleans Arena. Bowen will serve his suspension tonight when the Spurs visit the Detroit Pistons at The Palace of Auburn Hills.</p>
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		<title>By: Toledo Joe</title>
		<link>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2008-03-13/does-detroit-take-losers-lightly/#comment-128248</link>
		<dc:creator>Toledo Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Mar 2008 20:14:25 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2008-03-13/does-detroit-take-losers-lightly/#comment-128248</guid>
		<description>Mike:

OK, you say you like the Cavs to win it all.  Last night, the Cavs lost to the Wizards, a team very comparable to Philly.  Does that mean the Cavs lack focus, aren't mowing down the teams they should be mowing down, or otherwise have just demonstrated why they aren't going to/can't win it all?

More broadly, nobody on this group is in denial.  I haven't seen anybody here say, "we're winning the 'ship for SURE this year!"  Nobody thinks games like the Philly game are a good sign.  But it isn't the frickin' end of the world.

Detroit has three tough games in a row, beginning tonight:  Spurs, Hornets, and Cavs.  How they do in these games will be more of an indication of how things are going.  But again, the key will be peaking in the playoffs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike:</p>
<p>OK, you say you like the Cavs to win it all.  Last night, the Cavs lost to the Wizards, a team very comparable to Philly.  Does that mean the Cavs lack focus, aren&#8217;t mowing down the teams they should be mowing down, or otherwise have just demonstrated why they aren&#8217;t going to/can&#8217;t win it all?</p>
<p>More broadly, nobody on this group is in denial.  I haven&#8217;t seen anybody here say, &#8220;we&#8217;re winning the &#8217;ship for SURE this year!&#8221;  Nobody thinks games like the Philly game are a good sign.  But it isn&#8217;t the frickin&#8217; end of the world.</p>
<p>Detroit has three tough games in a row, beginning tonight:  Spurs, Hornets, and Cavs.  How they do in these games will be more of an indication of how things are going.  But again, the key will be peaking in the playoffs.</p>
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		<title>By: Brad</title>
		<link>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2008-03-13/does-detroit-take-losers-lightly/#comment-128247</link>
		<dc:creator>Brad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Mar 2008 19:57:35 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2008-03-13/does-detroit-take-losers-lightly/#comment-128247</guid>
		<description>Yes, Nellie being born in Michigan made me crack up.  It was won of the last things I expected to see when I wiki'ed him.

I only want to point out that Detroit, most likely, will have a new coach or extend Flip after this season.  Nobody listens to a lame duck coach.  Hmmmm, then again nobody listens to Flip now.  (Ooooooooooh, that was below the belt, wasn't it???)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, Nellie being born in Michigan made me crack up.  It was won of the last things I expected to see when I wiki&#8217;ed him.</p>
<p>I only want to point out that Detroit, most likely, will have a new coach or extend Flip after this season.  Nobody listens to a lame duck coach.  Hmmmm, then again nobody listens to Flip now.  (Ooooooooooh, that was below the belt, wasn&#8217;t it???)</p>
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		<title>By: V</title>
		<link>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2008-03-13/does-detroit-take-losers-lightly/#comment-128246</link>
		<dc:creator>V</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Mar 2008 19:44:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here's the problem as I see it:

1) The Sixers loss was troubling to me, because it showed me they don't have enough focus (yes, focus, not energy) to win a 'ship. I don't think playing at a high level is something you can just switch on and off, you switch it off, you lose something. Note the Bulls and Cavs series from last year. I think they're just a little too content playing in their own skin. You can put some, but not all of that on Flip. 

2) As pointed out earlier, there is a problem with Rip, I'm not sure what it is. I suspect it has something to do with the home life and the new kid, but I'm speculating. He may well be playing elsewhere next year if he doesn't get right. 

3) Joe D has done a magnificent job of growing Flip into a competent NBA coach. Flip will be no Phil or Pop or Riles or (!) LB, however, but he's better than most of the current coaches (Doc Rivers? Mike Brown? Please...). The problem Flip has is that the players just don't respect him enough, and when his substitution patterns get goofy, as they have last couple of weeks in particular, it creates a lot of uncertainty and blurs roles. LB is a genius, but with the genius comes the madness, and it was the madness that got him fired. But also note that Joe D. put last years' loss to the Cavs solely on the players, then showed confidence in them by not making any changes. I don't see that happening this year if we don't get past the second round. 

I wouldn't mind seeing an upgrade at coach, but who? My guess is that if a change were made, it would be Curry. He's family, they wouldn't have to pay him as much as an established coach, the players respect him, and again, he's family. But I think Mr D. likes Flip, he's big on loyalty, and I think he's tired of paying coaches not to work. Especially the last one. So, if Flip gets to the ECF, which I think is close to a lock considering the Pistons are MOL locked into the #2 spot (and seem very comfortable there, considering Wednesday's performance), he stays. But if he doesn't...and you know something? I don't believe a Flip-coached team could beat LeBron in a 7-game series (maybe we could sub in Chuck Daly if that happens lol). 

3a) The Pistons have one of the better benches in the league, but it gets used randomly, it seems. I guarantee you Pop or Sloan would dish out the minutes correctly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s the problem as I see it:</p>
<p>1) The Sixers loss was troubling to me, because it showed me they don&#8217;t have enough focus (yes, focus, not energy) to win a &#8217;ship. I don&#8217;t think playing at a high level is something you can just switch on and off, you switch it off, you lose something. Note the Bulls and Cavs series from last year. I think they&#8217;re just a little too content playing in their own skin. You can put some, but not all of that on Flip. </p>
<p>2) As pointed out earlier, there is a problem with Rip, I&#8217;m not sure what it is. I suspect it has something to do with the home life and the new kid, but I&#8217;m speculating. He may well be playing elsewhere next year if he doesn&#8217;t get right. </p>
<p>3) Joe D has done a magnificent job of growing Flip into a competent NBA coach. Flip will be no Phil or Pop or Riles or (!) LB, however, but he&#8217;s better than most of the current coaches (Doc Rivers? Mike Brown? Please&#8230;). The problem Flip has is that the players just don&#8217;t respect him enough, and when his substitution patterns get goofy, as they have last couple of weeks in particular, it creates a lot of uncertainty and blurs roles. LB is a genius, but with the genius comes the madness, and it was the madness that got him fired. But also note that Joe D. put last years&#8217; loss to the Cavs solely on the players, then showed confidence in them by not making any changes. I don&#8217;t see that happening this year if we don&#8217;t get past the second round. </p>
<p>I wouldn&#8217;t mind seeing an upgrade at coach, but who? My guess is that if a change were made, it would be Curry. He&#8217;s family, they wouldn&#8217;t have to pay him as much as an established coach, the players respect him, and again, he&#8217;s family. But I think Mr D. likes Flip, he&#8217;s big on loyalty, and I think he&#8217;s tired of paying coaches not to work. Especially the last one. So, if Flip gets to the ECF, which I think is close to a lock considering the Pistons are MOL locked into the #2 spot (and seem very comfortable there, considering Wednesday&#8217;s performance), he stays. But if he doesn&#8217;t&#8230;and you know something? I don&#8217;t believe a Flip-coached team could beat LeBron in a 7-game series (maybe we could sub in Chuck Daly if that happens lol). </p>
<p>3a) The Pistons have one of the better benches in the league, but it gets used randomly, it seems. I guarantee you Pop or Sloan would dish out the minutes correctly.</p>
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		<title>By: JackDutch</title>
		<link>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2008-03-13/does-detroit-take-losers-lightly/#comment-128245</link>
		<dc:creator>JackDutch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Mar 2008 19:40:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i wanted svg from the moment he was fired in miami. and i wanted every season after flip helped blow the ecfs. he was the right coaching choice. the year he got miami pre-shaq into the playoffs was a ridiculous coaching job. and he's done a brilliant job this year in orlando. and let's face facts, svg's 2005 miami team had us on the ropes. if it weren't for the wade injury, the heat may have been losing to the spurs in 7 instead of us. GREAT coach.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i wanted svg from the moment he was fired in miami. and i wanted every season after flip helped blow the ecfs. he was the right coaching choice. the year he got miami pre-shaq into the playoffs was a ridiculous coaching job. and he&#8217;s done a brilliant job this year in orlando. and let&#8217;s face facts, svg&#8217;s 2005 miami team had us on the ropes. if it weren&#8217;t for the wade injury, the heat may have been losing to the spurs in 7 instead of us. GREAT coach.</p>
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