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	<title>Comments on: Pistons/Magic tensions spill into the media room</title>
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		<title>By: JackDutch</title>
		<link>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2008-05-11/pistonsmagic-tensions-spill-into-the-media-room/#comment-134123</link>
		<dc:creator>JackDutch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 03:47:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>that's right. i forgot about the whole billy donovan mess. but they got the hedgehog instead, who to me is an absolute upgrade. 

bqr: you've been a very gracious adversary in a very heated series, so don't take this the wrong way when i say you're high if you think you're getting more than a bag of rocksalt for jj "roses are" reddick. however, despite my above posts, i do think if you're a magic fan, you have a lot to be enthusiastic about going forward. best center in the game who's only going to get better. fantastic coach. really tall dudes who can play inside and out. if i were you though, i would wake up in cold sweats knowing that otis smith has a daily opportunity to screw it all up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>that&#8217;s right. i forgot about the whole billy donovan mess. but they got the hedgehog instead, who to me is an absolute upgrade. </p>
<p>bqr: you&#8217;ve been a very gracious adversary in a very heated series, so don&#8217;t take this the wrong way when i say you&#8217;re high if you think you&#8217;re getting more than a bag of rocksalt for jj &#8220;roses are&#8221; reddick. however, despite my above posts, i do think if you&#8217;re a magic fan, you have a lot to be enthusiastic about going forward. best center in the game who&#8217;s only going to get better. fantastic coach. really tall dudes who can play inside and out. if i were you though, i would wake up in cold sweats knowing that otis smith has a daily opportunity to screw it all up.</p>
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		<title>By: LawyerBoy</title>
		<link>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2008-05-11/pistonsmagic-tensions-spill-into-the-media-room/#comment-134049</link>
		<dc:creator>LawyerBoy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 16:50:29 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2008-05-11/pistonsmagic-tensions-spill-into-the-media-room/#comment-134049</guid>
		<description>Birdman: It's predicated on Portland outbidding Toronto and Calderon wanting to go to Portland instead. Bryan Colangelo seems to be willing to do anything outside of move Bosh to keep Calderon.  Buuuuuut, Portland certainly has lots of money to spend (they probably could woo Gilbert from the Wiz if they so desired. I for one, hope they don't desire it though).  Portland's current payroll for next season is only at about $48 million (approximation give or take a 3-5 million).  By comparison, we probably have around $60 million (again, approximation, +/- a few million) committed already for next season, and that's with Dixon, Herrmann, Hayes, Hunter and Ratliff off the books (that leaves 10 players under contract), and assuming Rip doesn't opt out of the final two years of his deal and ask for more than the 9 or 10 million per year he's already making.

I'm pretty sure the luxury tax kicks in when your payroll hits the low-to-mid $60 millions, though there's an endless list of complicated exceptions and stuff that I really don't understand that I believe can keep you from paying the luxury tax.  All I know is, Portland's payroll is fairly low for the NBA so they must have a ton of money to spend.

Source - http://www.eskimo.com/~pbender/contracts</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Birdman: It&#8217;s predicated on Portland outbidding Toronto and Calderon wanting to go to Portland instead. Bryan Colangelo seems to be willing to do anything outside of move Bosh to keep Calderon.  Buuuuuut, Portland certainly has lots of money to spend (they probably could woo Gilbert from the Wiz if they so desired. I for one, hope they don&#8217;t desire it though).  Portland&#8217;s current payroll for next season is only at about $48 million (approximation give or take a 3-5 million).  By comparison, we probably have around $60 million (again, approximation, +/- a few million) committed already for next season, and that&#8217;s with Dixon, Herrmann, Hayes, Hunter and Ratliff off the books (that leaves 10 players under contract), and assuming Rip doesn&#8217;t opt out of the final two years of his deal and ask for more than the 9 or 10 million per year he&#8217;s already making.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m pretty sure the luxury tax kicks in when your payroll hits the low-to-mid $60 millions, though there&#8217;s an endless list of complicated exceptions and stuff that I really don&#8217;t understand that I believe can keep you from paying the luxury tax.  All I know is, Portland&#8217;s payroll is fairly low for the NBA so they must have a ton of money to spend.</p>
<p>Source - <a href="http://www.eskimo.com/~pbender/contracts" rel="nofollow">http://www.eskimo.com/~pbender/contracts</a></p>
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		<title>By: Birdman</title>
		<link>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2008-05-11/pistonsmagic-tensions-spill-into-the-media-room/#comment-134043</link>
		<dc:creator>Birdman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 12:42:35 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2008-05-11/pistonsmagic-tensions-spill-into-the-media-room/#comment-134043</guid>
		<description>Wow, a Trailblazers team with Calderon running the point would be scary. That's a lineup of Calderon, Roy, Troutlaw, Aldridge, and Oden. Dang.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, a Trailblazers team with Calderon running the point would be scary. That&#8217;s a lineup of Calderon, Roy, Troutlaw, Aldridge, and Oden. Dang.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Q. Rock</title>
		<link>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2008-05-11/pistonsmagic-tensions-spill-into-the-media-room/#comment-134035</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben Q. Rock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 07:32:03 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2008-05-11/pistonsmagic-tensions-spill-into-the-media-room/#comment-134035</guid>
		<description>He doesn't have Rasheed Wallace and Jason Maxiell setting screens for him...

I'm sure to cover J.J. trade possibilities this offseason. Better get on that. In all likelihood, it starts Wednesday.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He doesn&#8217;t have Rasheed Wallace and Jason Maxiell setting screens for him&#8230;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure to cover J.J. trade possibilities this offseason. Better get on that. In all likelihood, it starts Wednesday.</p>
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		<title>By: Sauce1977</title>
		<link>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2008-05-11/pistonsmagic-tensions-spill-into-the-media-room/#comment-134033</link>
		<dc:creator>Sauce1977</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 07:21:28 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2008-05-11/pistonsmagic-tensions-spill-into-the-media-room/#comment-134033</guid>
		<description>The only thing one wants to do with J.J. should be to include him in a package deal for an 'upgrade,' but I wouldn't count on Otis to figure out the right deals.  J.J. is a slow undersized 2 that can't get open for those sweet Js.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The only thing one wants to do with J.J. should be to include him in a package deal for an &#8216;upgrade,&#8217; but I wouldn&#8217;t count on Otis to figure out the right deals.  J.J. is a slow undersized 2 that can&#8217;t get open for those sweet Js.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Q. Rock</title>
		<link>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2008-05-11/pistonsmagic-tensions-spill-into-the-media-room/#comment-134031</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben Q. Rock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 07:12:03 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2008-05-11/pistonsmagic-tensions-spill-into-the-media-room/#comment-134031</guid>
		<description>Can't pin the failure to get Thomas from Seattle solely on Otis. I'm convinced that was an inside job, given Presti's connection to the Spurs (as Ziller mentioned at FanHouse). 

As for the Stuckey deal... we'll see how that turns out. Initially, it looks bad for the Magic -- Stuckey and Cato's contract for 1.5 years of Darko and 2.5 years of Arroyo?!??! -- but it's not a total disaster. Not yet, anyway.

The real test for Otis is what he can do with J.J. this summer. There's no doubt in my mind he's finished here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can&#8217;t pin the failure to get Thomas from Seattle solely on Otis. I&#8217;m convinced that was an inside job, given Presti&#8217;s connection to the Spurs (as Ziller mentioned at FanHouse). </p>
<p>As for the Stuckey deal&#8230; we&#8217;ll see how that turns out. Initially, it looks bad for the Magic &#8212; Stuckey and Cato&#8217;s contract for 1.5 years of Darko and 2.5 years of Arroyo?!??! &#8212; but it&#8217;s not a total disaster. Not yet, anyway.</p>
<p>The real test for Otis is what he can do with J.J. this summer. There&#8217;s no doubt in my mind he&#8217;s finished here.</p>
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		<title>By: LawyerBoy</title>
		<link>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2008-05-11/pistonsmagic-tensions-spill-into-the-media-room/#comment-134028</link>
		<dc:creator>LawyerBoy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 06:42:20 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2008-05-11/pistonsmagic-tensions-spill-into-the-media-room/#comment-134028</guid>
		<description>As an addendum, I forgot to mention that LaFrentz is an expiring contract, so it's possible Pritchard could move it to a team before next season ends who's looking for cap relief.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As an addendum, I forgot to mention that LaFrentz is an expiring contract, so it&#8217;s possible Pritchard could move it to a team before next season ends who&#8217;s looking for cap relief.</p>
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		<title>By: LawyerBoy</title>
		<link>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2008-05-11/pistonsmagic-tensions-spill-into-the-media-room/#comment-134027</link>
		<dc:creator>LawyerBoy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 06:39:39 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2008-05-11/pistonsmagic-tensions-spill-into-the-media-room/#comment-134027</guid>
		<description>MW: Thank you for including Sergio Rodriguez in your list, when I figured most people would pass over him on stats alone.  I suppose your supreme knowledge is part of what makes DBB so great.  I love the way that Rodriguez plays, and assuming he's given the ample playing time, I have absolutely no doubt he will be a useful player in this league.  As mediocre as they are, it's tough to make a case to play the not yet even twenty-two year old (second-year) Rodriguez ahead of either Steve Blake or Jarrett Jack.  Those two are undoubtedly serviceable at their very worst, but they're also a known quantity.  I don't believe that Rodriguez's true skill has been illuminated on a consistent basis yet, and that's a legitimate reason when you have the talent Portland does.

If it's not obvious already, yes I have a man crush on Kevin Pritchard for his work as GM in Portland and I love the TrailBlazers team he's put together.  Think about this: besides Raef LaFrentz (7 years/$70 million, uch, but not Pritchard's work), Portland's highest cap hit is Pryzbilla's 5 year/$32 million deal that expires in 2011, one I would still consider fairly reasonable.  Despite all the tight spending and the colossal injury to Oden, Pritchard amassed a team that went .500 in the West.  Now that Darius Miles's contract no longer counts against their salary cap, this team has an insane amount of cap space.  The Blazers are probably one starting PG (perhaps Jose Calderon, free agent this summer?  I dunno that Arenas is the right fit in Portland) and one backup SG (Matt Barnes or perhaps a probably bargain basement priced Kirk Snyder?) away from ascending to elite status in the West.  

And before anyone tells me I'm insane (though to be fair, my argument is predicated on them augmenting their team), New Orleans went from being the 10th place team in the west (39-43 record, only 3 games back of 8 seed Golden State) to finishing 2nd in the West this year with a 56-26 record.  What changed?  A healthy Peja Stojakovic and a pickup of Morris Peterson (as well as the seemingly inconsequential pickup of Melvin Ely), and the ascent of Chris Paul.   Who's to say Portland couldn't make a similar change this year with a healthy Oden, the further ascent of some of its current cast of characters, and a free agent or two?  Simply put, they absolutely can.  And it's all thanks to Kevin Pritchard.  Okay, I'm done fawning for now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MW: Thank you for including Sergio Rodriguez in your list, when I figured most people would pass over him on stats alone.  I suppose your supreme knowledge is part of what makes DBB so great.  I love the way that Rodriguez plays, and assuming he&#8217;s given the ample playing time, I have absolutely no doubt he will be a useful player in this league.  As mediocre as they are, it&#8217;s tough to make a case to play the not yet even twenty-two year old (second-year) Rodriguez ahead of either Steve Blake or Jarrett Jack.  Those two are undoubtedly serviceable at their very worst, but they&#8217;re also a known quantity.  I don&#8217;t believe that Rodriguez&#8217;s true skill has been illuminated on a consistent basis yet, and that&#8217;s a legitimate reason when you have the talent Portland does.</p>
<p>If it&#8217;s not obvious already, yes I have a man crush on Kevin Pritchard for his work as GM in Portland and I love the TrailBlazers team he&#8217;s put together.  Think about this: besides Raef LaFrentz (7 years/$70 million, uch, but not Pritchard&#8217;s work), Portland&#8217;s highest cap hit is Pryzbilla&#8217;s 5 year/$32 million deal that expires in 2011, one I would still consider fairly reasonable.  Despite all the tight spending and the colossal injury to Oden, Pritchard amassed a team that went .500 in the West.  Now that Darius Miles&#8217;s contract no longer counts against their salary cap, this team has an insane amount of cap space.  The Blazers are probably one starting PG (perhaps Jose Calderon, free agent this summer?  I dunno that Arenas is the right fit in Portland) and one backup SG (Matt Barnes or perhaps a probably bargain basement priced Kirk Snyder?) away from ascending to elite status in the West.  </p>
<p>And before anyone tells me I&#8217;m insane (though to be fair, my argument is predicated on them augmenting their team), New Orleans went from being the 10th place team in the west (39-43 record, only 3 games back of 8 seed Golden State) to finishing 2nd in the West this year with a 56-26 record.  What changed?  A healthy Peja Stojakovic and a pickup of Morris Peterson (as well as the seemingly inconsequential pickup of Melvin Ely), and the ascent of Chris Paul.   Who&#8217;s to say Portland couldn&#8217;t make a similar change this year with a healthy Oden, the further ascent of some of its current cast of characters, and a free agent or two?  Simply put, they absolutely can.  And it&#8217;s all thanks to Kevin Pritchard.  Okay, I&#8217;m done fawning for now.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Watson</title>
		<link>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2008-05-11/pistonsmagic-tensions-spill-into-the-media-room/#comment-134023</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt Watson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 05:44:48 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2008-05-11/pistonsmagic-tensions-spill-into-the-media-room/#comment-134023</guid>
		<description>Plug away -- relevant links are always welcome. I have a feeling the "Stuckey for Arroyo and Darko" deal will haunt Smith for years. 

Also, &lt;a href="http://sports.aol.com/fanhouse/2008/02/23/magic-got-screwed-by-presti-s-a-connection/" rel="nofollow"&gt;failing to get Kurt Thomas from Seattle&lt;/a&gt; even though they were offering a better deal than the Spurs is kind of weird. Maybe not entirely Smith's fault, but it happened on his watch.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Plug away &#8212; relevant links are always welcome. I have a feeling the &#8220;Stuckey for Arroyo and Darko&#8221; deal will haunt Smith for years. </p>
<p>Also, <a href="http://sports.aol.com/fanhouse/2008/02/23/magic-got-screwed-by-presti-s-a-connection/" rel="nofollow">failing to get Kurt Thomas from Seattle</a> even though they were offering a better deal than the Spurs is kind of weird. Maybe not entirely Smith&#8217;s fault, but it happened on his watch.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Q. Rock</title>
		<link>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2008-05-11/pistonsmagic-tensions-spill-into-the-media-room/#comment-134022</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben Q. Rock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 05:31:02 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2008-05-11/pistonsmagic-tensions-spill-into-the-media-room/#comment-134022</guid>
		<description>Pardon the completely shameless plug, but here's a post I made a few months ago evaluating Smith's draft selections as the Magic's GM:

http://www.thirdquartercollapse.com/2008/2/28/131511/558

He's also the guy who drafted Adonal Foyle over Tracy McGrady, if memory serves.

In Otis' defense, his trades have been excellent. I know you guys don't think much of Mo Evans (from what I gather, you like him, given how hard he played for you, but recognize his limitations as a player), but acquiring him from the Lakers was a great move. Give Trevor Ariza's minutes to Evans and the Magic aren't the three-point shooting threat they are now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pardon the completely shameless plug, but here&#8217;s a post I made a few months ago evaluating Smith&#8217;s draft selections as the Magic&#8217;s GM:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.thirdquartercollapse.com/2008/2/28/131511/558" rel="nofollow">http://www.thirdquartercollapse.com/2008/2/28/131511/558</a></p>
<p>He&#8217;s also the guy who drafted Adonal Foyle over Tracy McGrady, if memory serves.</p>
<p>In Otis&#8217; defense, his trades have been excellent. I know you guys don&#8217;t think much of Mo Evans (from what I gather, you like him, given how hard he played for you, but recognize his limitations as a player), but acquiring him from the Lakers was a great move. Give Trevor Ariza&#8217;s minutes to Evans and the Magic aren&#8217;t the three-point shooting threat they are now.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Watson</title>
		<link>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2008-05-11/pistonsmagic-tensions-spill-into-the-media-room/#comment-134021</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt Watson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 05:16:02 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2008-05-11/pistonsmagic-tensions-spill-into-the-media-room/#comment-134021</guid>
		<description>LB's comment prompted me to refresh my memory ... an incomplete list of players who may or may not be worth a damn drafted &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_NBA_Draft" rel="nofollow"&gt;after Redick in 2006&lt;/a&gt;: Ronnie Brewer, Renaldo Balkman, Quincy Douby, Rajon Rondo, Kyle Lowry, Jordan Farmar, Sergio Rodriguez, Daniel Gibson, Paul Millsap, Leon Powe and, of course, Cheikh Samb!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LB&#8217;s comment prompted me to refresh my memory &#8230; an incomplete list of players who may or may not be worth a damn drafted <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_NBA_Draft" rel="nofollow">after Redick in 2006</a>: Ronnie Brewer, Renaldo Balkman, Quincy Douby, Rajon Rondo, Kyle Lowry, Jordan Farmar, Sergio Rodriguez, Daniel Gibson, Paul Millsap, Leon Powe and, of course, Cheikh Samb!</p>
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		<title>By: LawyerBoy</title>
		<link>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2008-05-11/pistonsmagic-tensions-spill-into-the-media-room/#comment-134020</link>
		<dc:creator>LawyerBoy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 05:11:54 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2008-05-11/pistonsmagic-tensions-spill-into-the-media-room/#comment-134020</guid>
		<description>Oh, and drafting Redick is absolutely inexcusable.  I shook my head at that selection from moment one.  In J.J. Redick, Otis Smith selected Steve Kerr V. 2.0.  Steve Kerr's only success came during his tenure with those Jordan-led Bulls teams and the league was different then anyway.  Kerr probably dribbled even less during his career than Jarvis does.  He just camped out beyond the arc and boom goes the dynamite.  That Bulls squad was the only one he ever did anything for either.  He didn't even help the 1999 (strike-shortened season) NBA Champion Spurs!  

But the point is Redick, who may even be a better shooter than Kerr, but is completely useless in today's league that now puts much greater emphasis on athleticism and less on pure shooting touch.  He's especially useless on a Magic squad that has a bunch of three-point shooters who may not shoot as well as him but do so much more offensively that it becomes a "What's the point of Redick?" situation.  Selecting Redick: dumb, dumb, dumb.  Just look at the glut of guards selected after him in that draft who contribute on their respective teams now.  Don't try to count Will Blalock though, that's homeristic cheating!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, and drafting Redick is absolutely inexcusable.  I shook my head at that selection from moment one.  In J.J. Redick, Otis Smith selected Steve Kerr V. 2.0.  Steve Kerr&#8217;s only success came during his tenure with those Jordan-led Bulls teams and the league was different then anyway.  Kerr probably dribbled even less during his career than Jarvis does.  He just camped out beyond the arc and boom goes the dynamite.  That Bulls squad was the only one he ever did anything for either.  He didn&#8217;t even help the 1999 (strike-shortened season) NBA Champion Spurs!  </p>
<p>But the point is Redick, who may even be a better shooter than Kerr, but is completely useless in today&#8217;s league that now puts much greater emphasis on athleticism and less on pure shooting touch.  He&#8217;s especially useless on a Magic squad that has a bunch of three-point shooters who may not shoot as well as him but do so much more offensively that it becomes a &#8220;What&#8217;s the point of Redick?&#8221; situation.  Selecting Redick: dumb, dumb, dumb.  Just look at the glut of guards selected after him in that draft who contribute on their respective teams now.  Don&#8217;t try to count Will Blalock though, that&#8217;s homeristic cheating!</p>
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		<title>By: LawyerBoy</title>
		<link>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2008-05-11/pistonsmagic-tensions-spill-into-the-media-room/#comment-134019</link>
		<dc:creator>LawyerBoy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 04:57:26 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2008-05-11/pistonsmagic-tensions-spill-into-the-media-room/#comment-134019</guid>
		<description>JD: Fisher was a scrub on the 99-00 team but started to take off in 00-01, so my argument is fairly hollow and your counterpoint is well-thought out and probably more convincing than my initial assertions.  I think I was just trying to defend Smith because I liked the Vazquez pick at the time (I think he has lottery talent, it's just still hanging out overseas, bah!).  

I'm not sure if there was a way Smith could know/sense Vazquez would stay overseas this long and he simply didn't pick up on it because he's a foolish GM.  I think if Vazquez came over now or better yet, a couple of years ago, it would make a huge difference on this current Magic team.  Vazquez is apparently locked in to ACB league ball through at least next year though.  So basically, this is a "if my grandma had a certain male-only appendage, she'd be my grandpa" scenario.  

The guy did draft Travis Diener 38th overall, and I don't think Diener is too far from becoming as good (or better) than Jameer Nelson if he continues to develop under Jim O'Brien in Indiana.  But yes, that hardly saves face for Smith when he didn't even bother to keep Diener around!  So on the whole, his record is quite spotty.  Hell, he didn't even draft Howard.  I think his worst transaction though, is hiring Billy Donovan.  What an egg-on-face situation that  more or less reinforces "Mickey Mouse" status.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JD: Fisher was a scrub on the 99-00 team but started to take off in 00-01, so my argument is fairly hollow and your counterpoint is well-thought out and probably more convincing than my initial assertions.  I think I was just trying to defend Smith because I liked the Vazquez pick at the time (I think he has lottery talent, it&#8217;s just still hanging out overseas, bah!).  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure if there was a way Smith could know/sense Vazquez would stay overseas this long and he simply didn&#8217;t pick up on it because he&#8217;s a foolish GM.  I think if Vazquez came over now or better yet, a couple of years ago, it would make a huge difference on this current Magic team.  Vazquez is apparently locked in to ACB league ball through at least next year though.  So basically, this is a &#8220;if my grandma had a certain male-only appendage, she&#8217;d be my grandpa&#8221; scenario.  </p>
<p>The guy did draft Travis Diener 38th overall, and I don&#8217;t think Diener is too far from becoming as good (or better) than Jameer Nelson if he continues to develop under Jim O&#8217;Brien in Indiana.  But yes, that hardly saves face for Smith when he didn&#8217;t even bother to keep Diener around!  So on the whole, his record is quite spotty.  Hell, he didn&#8217;t even draft Howard.  I think his worst transaction though, is hiring Billy Donovan.  What an egg-on-face situation that  more or less reinforces &#8220;Mickey Mouse&#8221; status.</p>
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		<title>By: JackDutch</title>
		<link>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2008-05-11/pistonsmagic-tensions-spill-into-the-media-room/#comment-134013</link>
		<dc:creator>JackDutch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 04:00:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>lb: the thing is there is no evidence that otis smith can do anything to improve this team. think if he had paid lewis what he was actually worth instead of overbidding against himself. they'd have cap room to make a legit run at a monta ellis or a ben gordon this summer, and can you imagine if this current team had either of those guys? they'd be murderers. and as far as doing something with the 22nd pick, what do you think he can do after he farted away the 11th, the 13th and 15th picks in consecutive drafts? my guess is not much. their fate is firmly in the hands of superman and his transcendence.

and the lakers never had anyone at point guard during the jackson era because you don't need a true 1 for a triangle offense. he's never had a reputable point. bj armstrong maybe? derek fisher possibly?

lindsay hunter?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>lb: the thing is there is no evidence that otis smith can do anything to improve this team. think if he had paid lewis what he was actually worth instead of overbidding against himself. they&#8217;d have cap room to make a legit run at a monta ellis or a ben gordon this summer, and can you imagine if this current team had either of those guys? they&#8217;d be murderers. and as far as doing something with the 22nd pick, what do you think he can do after he farted away the 11th, the 13th and 15th picks in consecutive drafts? my guess is not much. their fate is firmly in the hands of superman and his transcendence.</p>
<p>and the lakers never had anyone at point guard during the jackson era because you don&#8217;t need a true 1 for a triangle offense. he&#8217;s never had a reputable point. bj armstrong maybe? derek fisher possibly?</p>
<p>lindsay hunter?</p>
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		<title>By: kevin s.</title>
		<link>http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2008-05-11/pistonsmagic-tensions-spill-into-the-media-room/#comment-134002</link>
		<dc:creator>kevin s.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 01:27:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Note to Orlando: If we didn't take you seriously, we wouldn't be kicking your ass.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Note to Orlando: If we didn&#8217;t take you seriously, we wouldn&#8217;t be kicking your ass.</p>
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