Pistons host Cavs

We’re 10 games into the season and the Pistons have played only three games at the Palace. If that looks funny to you, there’s good reason: only two other teams (Portland and Atlanta) are still waiting to play their fourth home game of the year. Fortunately things will start to even out: five of the next six games are at home, with the exception of tomorrow’s re-match in Boston.

Tonight the Pistons host the Cavs, and will attempt to chip away at Cleveland’s one and a half game lead in the Central. I’ll be at the game, but instead of working I’ve been invited to the Grand Opening of the Canadian Club Terrace for some pre-game whiskey tasting and dinner, which is why you’re getting such an early game thread. Blogging, it’s a glamorous life, I tell you.

The ball tips at 7:30 on FSN — leave your thoughts in the comments.

Are they for real?

By Kevin Sawyer

Orlando Magic

Record: 8-3
Projected: 60-22
Are they for real: No

Orlando will certainly make the playoffs, and Mickael Pietrus has been a revelation, but other signs do not point to a 60 win run. First, Dwight Howard has a habit of posting absurd numbers for about 30 games (4 bpg!), and then returning to Earth. Hedo Turkoglu is shooting 38% in a desperate attempt to replicate last year’s output.

But the biggest problem is their bench. Injuries will happen, and the dropoff is so steep at every position that any sustained injury could easily result in a stretch of sub-.500 ball. Given that Pietrus fouls a lot, which makes it difficult for him to stay on the court I wonder how this team will get through February and March. That said, this team could be a real threat come playoff time.

Cleveland Cavaliers

Record: 9-2
Projected: 67-15
Are they for real: Unfortunately, yes.

If you were expecting a LeBron let down, you’d look to the first 10-20 games. He has a habit of finishing strong, which is scary when you consider how ridiculously good he has been so far. The Mo Williams experiment is working swimmingly, giving LeBron a competent backcourt for the first time in his career. Varejao arrived in better shape, and even Big Ben is showing signs of life.

In short, Cleveland is looking like the team to beat this year, from either conference.

New York Knicks

Record: 6-5
Projected: 45-37
Are they for real?: Kinda

Uptempo style aside, there is another important reason to respect Mike D’Antoni. He gives the best players the most minutes. It seems so simple, but so many coaches let their ego, their doghouse, and Eric Snow get in the way of putting the best players on the court. D’Antoni quickly realized that Randolph and Curry couldn’t co-exist, and rightly opted for the more talented Randolph. He already has a solid eight-man rotation, with enough depth to survive an injury or two.

With the talent he has, a .500 season should earn Mike D’Antoni coach of the year in a landslide. It’s still the Knicks, but Donnie Walsh seems well on the way to turning things around here.

ON THE FLIP SIDE…

Minnesota Timberwolves

Record: 1-8
Projected: 9-73
Are they really this bad?: No

The playoff prognostications for this young team were overblown, but there is some talent here. Mike Miller has been absurdly under-utilized, and Kevin Love should improve as the season progresses. Frankly, the coaching staff is going to have to shore up this rotation, and find ways to get Miller more touches.

If Rashad McCants continues to hock 4 threes a game (with a 19% success rate), its time to pull the plug. The time to pull the plug on Corey Brewer was about 10 minutes before they drafted him. He is a bust. Randy Foye probably deserves one full season to see if he is the right fit. But Love, Miller and Jefferson are enough to win more games than this, and Craig Smith tends to improve as he sheds weight during the season.

Los Angeles Clippers

Record: 1-9
Projected: 8-74
Are they really this bad?: Of course they are.

Some sportswriters actually looked at this roster and thought the Clippers might reclaim a playoff spot. Those sportswriters should be unemployed right in the face. Gee, Baron Davis reverted to his former three-point jacking self after signing a big contract? Go figure. Camby and Kaman aren’t a good pairing? Whodathunkit?

Al Thornton has failed to make the leap, which is understandable given that 77-year-old rookies never make leaps. Oh, and they spent a lottery pick on Eric “Corey Brewer” Gordon. That about says it all. On a higher note, Ricky Davis can’t possibly be THIS bad. If he turns it around, this team might just scratch 15 wins.

Stuckey survives Shaq’s shenanigans

In case you missed it (and I don’t see how you could have), that’s the play on Rodney Stuckey that got Shaquille O’Neal ejected from Sunday’s game. Shaq was subsequently fined 25 large by the league, but only for arguing his ejection on his way out, not as punishment for the play. [1] It’s Shaq, what did you expect the NBA to do? (via TH)

Despite the violent collision, Stuckey stayed in the game, and fortunately, he seemed no worse for wear at practice yesterday. From Keith Langlois:

Stuckey wore tape around both wrists at Tuesday’s practice. He got both hands down to break his fall, so the wrists bore the brunt of it.

“Look at these wrists,” he said, holding his hands out. “They’re taped. If it wasn’t for me putting my hands on the ground, my whole grille would have been messed up. My wrists are sore. That’s it.

“I haven’t been hit like that, but I’m going to continue to take the ball to the basket. Shaq’s a big dude. Whatever he said, it was right. I know he didn’t do it on purpose, but I’m going to keep going in there.”


  1. Money is money, but do you know how little $25,000 is to a guy who makes $20 million a year? It’s 0.125% of his salary. In other words, it’s a like a guy who makes $40,000 being docked $50.

And the winners are …

On Thursday I asked the question, “Which current or former member of the Pistons would you invite to Thanksgiving Dinner, and why?” There were a lot of really funny answers, but DBB reader TW made me laugh the hardest:

If I could invite a Piston, it would have to be George Blaha. Yes I consider him a Piston because he’s been with us since 1976. He would be fun because he could narrate things that happen during Thanksgiving:

While cooking - “Measures and makes!
Making a turkey - “Count that baby and a fowl (get it?)!”
When passing food around the table - “Gives it up, gets it back!”
When eating mashed potatoes - “Scoops it, scores it!”
After eating too much - “In and out… and back in again!”

On a side note, one Piston I wouldn’t want at my Thanksgiving is Walter Herrmann. Even though he is my favorite Piston and I think it would be hilarious to have him as my guest, I would be afraid of him using his Fabio good looks and keen fashion sense to steal my fiancee.

TW’s Blaha-inspired humor (and Herrmann-inspired paranoia) won him a pair of tickets to the see the Pistons take on the Bucks the day after Thanksgiving from the Pistons.com suite.

I promised that I’d also select two other winners at random, but I lied. Instead … I selected three: DBB readers Fadel, Tiny and Stuck also each won a pair of tickets. Congrats, fellas! You should have already received an email from me with details — I’ll see you soon!

And of course, thanks again to Dave Wieme from the Pistons for making this possible.

The view from Phoenix

As you may have noticed, I didn’t have a chance to post a recap to last night’s debacle. Fortunately, DBB reader DJ was at the game and posted the following account in the game thread comments this morning. It was so interesting, I decided to re-post it here so it wouldn’t be missed:

I was at the game last night. Seats were not that great, but in all honesty, there really isn’t a “bad” seat in the house.

The flagrant 2 on Shaq may very well be overturned, I am no expert, by after watching it over and over and over on my DVR, it appears that Shaq was trying to block a potential layup and Stuckey was quicker than Shaq realized, just my opinion.

Detroit seemed to have forgotten to pack up there defense when they left LA, 52 points in the paint, I don’t think any “defensive” team wins by allowing about 50% of an opponents points to come from the painted area.

There were a lot of Pistons fans in attendance as was mentioned. Most were “good” fans, several were extremely drunk and rather obnoxious. There was at least one other DBB fan there as he kept screaming “Free Amir”, the only Pistons fans I know that use that phrase have frequented this site, although most tell me they don’t like to post (why is beyond me).

Stuckey. This young man is a lot quicker in person than he appears on TV.

Bynum. Makes Stuckey look slow.

Rip. Looks like he finally found his shot, this is a good thing. A backcourt with Rip and AI running around is going to be difficult for any team to contend with

AI. The answer looked bored, perhaps all the moving, relocating and everything that goes along with a trade finally got to him, although 7 dimes isn’t a bad number.

Brown. Played excellent against Shaq, not so excellent against Lopez. Slow fat guys (read Perkins) should get owned by Kwame.

Wallace. I thought Rasheed would have been better off in the low post, when he did go down there, he looked like he could get whatever he wanted all night. However, with the game he had from outside against LA, I figured he would camp out and that hurt us. Several Piston fans around me made very similar comments. Everytime he had the ball, SHEEEED was screamed throughout the center.

Prince. If he plays the remainder of the year at 60% of this level, he will be an All-star and probably first team all defense, even the Suns faithful were giving Tay props, it was nice to hear.

As my wife and I were heading to the game, a Suns fan asked me if I thought Detroit could beat Phoenix, I naturally told him yes, but we were hear to get a look at our 2011 staring PF, this drew a small crowd, and shockingly, most felt that Amare would fit in well with Detroits offense, but that his defense would hurt us, after watching the game, I think Coach Porter has figured out how to unlock Amare’s defense, he wasn’t half bad.

All in all, had Detroit played defense this game could have been won. Hell, take away a quarter of the points in the paint, and this was a close game. AI didn’t seem like a liability defensively, even on the ball. Our man defense was ok, but our help defense was really lacking.

Monday’s Layup Drill

Real life is keeping me away, but here are some quick links for the Monday afternoon perusal:

  • FanHouse colleague Nate Jones is an unabashed Lakers fan, and he attended Friday’s game in LA against the Pistons. His entire recap of the game is worth reading, but I chuckled when I read this:

    But probably the most surprising aspect of the Pistons’ performance last night was the production from Kwame Brown. I sat right under the Pistons’ second half goal and got to see Kwame actually catch the ball, gather himself and dunk the ball one handed. Did you hear that Lakers fans? KWAME BROWN DUNKED THE BALL WITH ONE HAND! And he did it about three times in the second half. That is not the Kwame Brown that Lakers fans came to know and hate. They were used to the one that threw cake and air balled lay ups. I have a feeling that Rasheed has been working on him on his post work, because the guy actually looked serviceable on the offensive end last night.

  • In case you haven’t been paying attention, yes, Rasheed has been working with Kwame. Here’s the video proof, and here’s the requisite blockquote:

    “Rasheed is a veteran guy who’s constantly talking to you the whole time,” said Brown, who played 28 minutes Friday. ” ‘Sheed is a great leader — a lot of people don’t know that. He has weird ways of showing his emotion, but as far as basketball player and getting guys in the right spot, he does that better than anybody, and he’s constantly talking, constantly helping you out.”

  • Mark Cuban … WTF?
  • Shaq’s post-game explanation for trying to maim Rodney Stuckey (emphasis mine):

    “When you understand the laws of physics like I do, the laws of physics state that a body in motion stays in motion,” Shaq said. “So when you have two objects that meet in the air, the smaller object is gonna fall much harder at the same rate of speed. I’ve never been the type of player to take anybody out. I was going for the ball, little guy ran into a brick wall, and you know, he fell, and he added a little bit to the end.

    Stuckey added something? He fell chest first from seven or eight feet in the air and nearly suffered whiplash trying not to let his face hit the floor. And he added something? Yeah, it’s called a bruise.

  • Whither the Baby Eater?

    “Curry established roles for his bench players coming out of camp but the loss of Antonio McDyess has forced him to change things up on a nightly basis. Perhaps the biggest surprise is the reduced minutes for Jason Maxiell. He was their best reserve last season and now he’s only playing 11 or 12 minutes a game, even with the lack of frontcourt depth. Makes you wonder whether locking Maxiell up for four more seasons at the start of the season was a wise move.”

  • Just in case you ever wondered what the Pistons looked like as Charlie Brown characters

Pistons look for perfection in Phoenix

The Pistons have a chance to go 4-0 on their western road trip, which is pretty amazing considering how rough around the edges they looked before leaving. Things haven’t completely come together (Rip Hamilton won’t shot 37% on the season … right?) but there have still been long stretches lately that they’ve played as well as any time of the last several years.

Here’s to hoping they finish strong and take care of business against all the familiar faces (Terry Porter, Grant Hill) in Phoenix. The ball tips in just a few minutes on FSN as well as NBA TV — leave your thoughts in the comments.

Pistons take on unbeaten Lakers

Think of Detroit’s road trip out west like a great big meal: Wednesday’s game in Sacramento was the appetizer, last night’s game at Golden State was the dinner salad, and tonight’s game against the undefeated Lakers is easily the main course.

And not just any entree, either — we’re talking about the “Ole 96er”, right out of The Great Outdoors. Can the Pistons eat the whole thing, right down to the gristle and fat? We’ll find out. If they do, they won’t win free t-shirts for the whole family but will grab the attention of everybody in the league.

It’s another late one, but hey, you’re not working tomorrow, right? The ball tips at 10:30 PM on ESPN — join your DBB brethren by leaving your thoughts (and random John Candy references) in the comments.

Rasheed Wallace’s new tattoo

Courtesy of Alana at Yardbarker:

Chauncey Billups opens up

Was Chauncey Billups observing some kind of moratorium in regards to talking about The Trade? Or have I just been so focused on Detroit’s side of the deal that I’ve missed all of his previous interviews? I ask because before today I’d yet to come across any substantial comments about the deal since his initial press conference, and then today there’s not one, not two but three different interviews with him in various publications across the country.

Marc Spears of the Boston Globe, who was the first to report the Nuggets and Pistons were even talking, has a solid (if predictably Celtics-centric) piece, and the Cleveland Plain Dealer has a rather superficial Q&A that’s full of PC canned answers.

Ordinarily, I’d probably excerpt a few choice quotes from those articles and call it a post, but not today. No, Billups saved the good stuff for the local guys, opening up to Michael Rosenberg of the Detroit Free Press in a way that will likely put a knot in the stomach of every Pistons fan who reads his column, starting with the opening paragraph:

Chauncey Billups and Rip Hamilton were crying. There they were, two NBA All-Stars, in Billups’ room in the Hilton City Center in Charlotte … crying. And laughing. And crying again.

The Pistons had just traded Billups to the Denver Nuggets for Allen Iverson. Hamilton and Tayshaun Prince had gotten word that morning, when Billups did not attend the team’s shootaround. They got back to the hotel and pounded on Billups’ door.

Billups was on the phone with his wife, Piper. He told her he’d call her back later. It turned out to be much later.

“It was the hardest two or three hours that I’ve had in a long, long time in my life,” Billups said. “We just couldn’t believe that it’s over. It’s over. That’s the thing that’s so tough about trades. No matter what happens, it’s over. So those two or three hours were crazy.”

Remember how surprised you were to see Allen Iverson holding up Billups’ old jersey number? Imagine how Billups felt:

“I will admit, that shocked me,” he said. “It’s kind of surreal when you first get traded. But when I saw that No. 1 on TV with a different name, that’s when I said, ‘It’s official.’ ”

(To be completely honest, I don’t think enough was made about that — Billups deserves to have that jersey retired, and the classy move would have been for the Pistons to inform AI the number wasn’t available. And as shocked as everyone was to see him choose that number, I’m not sure anyone’s bothered to ask him why he picked. But I digress …)

Peppered throughout the column are interesting tidbits that were suspected but never officially confirmed. For instance … Billups revealed that Joe Dumars told him this summer he tried to trade Billups and Tayshaun Prince for Carmelo Anthony, but the Nuggets refused. And apparently the Nuggets offered Iverson for Billups at least once earlier in the summer but Dumars declined.

If this trade was on the table earlier in the summer, why wait until two games into the season to pull the trigger? Only Dumars knows for sure, but I will say this: there wasn’t as much excitement as usual for the first two games at the Palace — despite the official numbers, the games were not sold out, or if they were, there were thousands of paying customers who simply decided not to attend.

There are plenty of reasons to think this trade makes sense (if you remember, I came around) both for the present and future, but all along a tiny bit of me wondered if Dumars decided to pull the trigger only after realizing the fans were so bored with the current team they couldn’t even be bothered to pack the Palace on opening night. I’m sure the economy has played a huge role in declining ticket sales, and it’s not like having AI in town will suddenly revive the auto industry or stop homes from being foreclosed upon, but for those of us that do have a little disposable income, there’s a lot more novelty in seeing a flashy new superstar wearing red, white and blue than the same act that’s been around five years.

Speaking of timing, remember how Rip Hamilton’s three-year extension was announced the evening after the trade?

“If Rip would have knew that this deal was going on, I just don’t know that he would have signed that extension,” Billups said. “It was kind of funny to me that they announced this trade the same day that he signed. I really don’t know. … It just seemed weird to me. He signed that extension three days before the trade. … I think it might have been a little different if all this was exposed early.”

In hindsight, perhaps Rip’s decision not to talk to the press for several days after the trade was rooted in frustration with the front office for not being open as much as it was sadness in losing a teammate. Billups spoke about how badly he wanted to follow in the footsteps of Dumars and Dave Bing by investing in Detroit but admitted he probably wouldn’t have re-signed with the Pistons two summers ago had he known he’d be dealt after one season.

Billups also discussed the Flip Saunders era. He didn’t throw his former coach under the bus but did admit that several of his teammates had grown frustrated — so frustrated, in fact, that it may have cost this team another ring:

“’Sheed was just vocal and visual about his (frustration),” Billups said. “I can’t say it was all Rasheed or it was only Rasheed. But even with that, I just still feel like that should have never come into play. I feel like no matter what the coach is doing, how you feel or whatever, you can’t cheat your teammates and not give maximum effort because you’re mad at the coach.

“I think that cost us at least one championship.”

Hearing that stings — and to be perfectly honest, it makes you wonder if the wrong guy got shipped out of town. Billups is hardly absolved — he was team captain, it was on him to keep his teammates on the same page — but perhaps he felt uncomfortable coming to Saunders’ defense considering his career benefited the most from Flip’s presence. (Rasheed and Ben were already All-Stars before Flip arrived, and while Rip wasn’t, he was already the team’s leading scorer. Chauncey, though, went from being mentioned as a steady point guard to one of the best in the game, and in the 64-win season of 2005-06, a dark horse MVP candidate.)

I could go on, but I’ve pilfered enough — just read the whole thing, and rest assured I’ve left enough material unmentioned to still make it interesting. This trade will go down as one of the biggest in Detroit sports history regardless of how long Iverson stays around, and it’s not often we get such an intimate peek into how these things go down.