Detroit Bad Boys - Pistons vs. Bucks: Detroit lays an egg in MilwaukeeA community of Detroit Pistons fans since 2005https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/community_logos/48119/detroitbadboys-fave.png2015-11-24T15:17:25-05:00http://www.detroitbadboys.com/rss/stream/95547572015-11-24T15:17:25-05:002015-11-24T15:17:25-05:00Middleton: 'Drummond doesn't like contact'
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<p>Opposing teams could look to become more physical against Andre.</p> <p>The <a href="https://www.detroitbadboys.com/" class="sbn-auto-link">Pistons</a> were unceremoniously blown out by <span>Greg Monroe</span> and the <a href="https://www.brewhoop.com/" class="sbn-auto-link">Milwaukee Bucks</a> Monday night, with all but <span>Andre Drummond</span> and <span>Kentavious Caldwell-Pope</span> not showing up to play. <span>Reggie Jackson</span> and <span>Stan Van Gundy</span> ripped the team's effort and were vocal about the need for Detroit to become more consistent if they want to win more games. The Bucks were understandably happy with the win after a three-game slide that left the team at 5-7 entering their matchup against Motown. Former Piston <span>Khris Middleton</span>, who scored an efficient 16 points opened up on the team's gameplan against Andre Drummond, who has had been exploiting opposing team's post games, per the <a href="http://nba.nbcsports.com/2015/11/24/khris-middleton-andre-drummond-dislikes-contact/">Associated Press & NBC Sports</a>:</p>
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<p>"We just tried to be physical," Middleton said of the Bucks' plan for Drummond. "We know he doesn't like contact. Once he misses a couple, he is going to get down on himself and start forcing tough shots. Greg did a great job of just making him shot (sic) tough shots and not letting him get to his right hand."</p>
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<p>Drummond finished the night with 15 points and 15 rebounds and was one of the team's only bright spot, while the Bucks didn't shut down the 22-year-old, their game plan does fall in line with what Piston fans have noticed about the center's offensive abilities. Andre has often seemed to become frustrated himself when his shot isn't falling, and has on more than one occasion forced a shot in order to kick start his offense.</p>
<p>Consistency has been identified as one of the things needed for Andre to keep unlocking his potential, but it seems that he also needs to work on the mental aspect of the game to keep his emotions in check and stop him from forcing ill-advised shots. The young pivot still has a lot of room for improvement and as he matures, so should all aspects of his game, hopefully he'll learn to stay out of his own head and keep his focus on the team's overall performance and not just his own.</p>
https://www.detroitbadboys.com/2015/11/24/9790996/detroit-pistons-andre-drummond-khris-middleton-his-own-worst-enemyVincent Diringer2015-11-23T23:33:18-05:002015-11-23T23:33:18-05:00Lack of effort in blowout loss leaves SVG worried
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<p>A no-show for the Pistons' shooting gives Stan pause, and leaves the coach and Pistons fans wanting a more consistent showing. </p> <p>The first brutal blowout loss of the season came Monday night in Milwaukee, as the <a href="https://www.detroitbadboys.com/" class="sbn-auto-link">Pistons</a> lost by 21 to the <a href="https://www.brewhoop.com/" class="sbn-auto-link">Bucks</a>, 109-88. For the lucky millions of you that didn't watch, I can fill you in pretty quickly on what you missed.</p>
<p>Milwaukee made everything: contested shots, open shots, layups, more layups, dunks, and did I mention layups? Meanwhile, the Pistons looked lost, disjointed, and lazy through stretches with no answer on either offense or defense the entire night.</p>
<p>After the game, coach Stan Van Gundy and <span>Reggie Jackson</span> both addressed the effort issue in the locker room, acknowledging that it was missing and needs to get figured out sooner rather than later.</p>
<p>If you really want me to squeeze blood from this blowout stone, <span>Andre Drummond</span> got his double-double with 15 and 15. <span>Kentavious Caldwell-Pope</span> played a great game on the road scoring 17 on 6-of-8 shooting, and Detroit's bench got a ton of minutes together in garbage time to work out whatever issues have caused them be last in the league in most categories.</p>
<p>But let's not get it twisted, this was a major goose egg for Detroit. Coming off a super close loss at home against the Wizards, playing <span>Greg Monroe</span> for the first time at his new home, and even having <span>Ersan Ilyasova</span> going against his old team - there was no reason for this team not to get up for this game. And they flat out didn't match the effort of Milwaukee - even Reggie admitted it at his locker to reporters afterwards.</p>
<p>As I watched the game, I was doing my usual routine of perusing NBA Twitter, and the Pistons fans sentiment can be summed up in one word: frustration. I felt it too. But this frustration is different than the one we've grown accustomed to over the past few years.</p>
<p>That old frustration was more from a holistic, functional standpoint. Like buying a used car that even you knew was way too cheap. When that junker breaks down, you're mad but you also kind of expected it. That frustration is more over the fact that you were even in a situation where you could ever believe that a used 98 Dodge Neon was a good idea.</p>
<p>Say you sell that Neon and get a promotion at work. Now you're leasing a brand new BMW - 3 series, nothing crazy, but hey it's still better than that old Neon. You get a couple of great drives in with the car, and you're loving the fact that you could finally afford to put yourself in a nicer car. Then all of the sudden the power windows stop working. Your nav system goes haywire every other drive and you're leaking oil all the sudden. This frustration is more over the fact that you've experienced the optimal state of your car, and now it's failing you seemingly at random. There is unrealized potential being squandered.</p>
<p>We've experienced the optimal 2015-16 Pistons. What we saw against Cleveland, Portland, Atlanta, Chicago to name a few was the car we paid for. Monday night in Milwaukee, the wheels came off for no apparent reason.</p>
<p>What's more worrisome is how much better the Eastern Conference looks as a whole. Where the playoff race is already looking, dare I say, Western Conference-esque between everyone not from Cleveland. It's a point that <a target="_blank" href="http://www.nba.com/pistons/features/less-forgiving-eastern-conference-increases-urgency-svg-solve-bench-shooting-issueshttp://www.nba.com/pistons/features/less-forgiving-eastern-conference-increases-urgency-svg-solve-bench-shooting-issues">Lord Langlois pointed out yesterday</a>, no one can afford a lull at the moment, especially not this Pistons team.</p>
<p>Look the most noticeable aspect of this loss, and the four-game skid out West, and most of the Pistons losses thus far, have been due to a lack of energy missing from the team as a whole. Monday night, Stan called it out. And If this team has any chance of making the postseason, they need to play every night with a chip on their shoulder, and with a collective effort that reflects that.</p>
<p>The coach has called them out, and with three more games this holiday week, there's no better time for the Pistons to respond.</p>
https://www.detroitbadboys.com/2015/11/23/9789574/detroit-pistons-milwaukee-bucks-recap-stan-van-gundy-worriedJamie_Delancey2015-11-23T22:29:41-05:002015-11-23T22:29:41-05:00Monroe gets sweet revenge as Pistons lay an egg
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<p>Well, that was unpleasant.</p> <p>The best thing you could say about Detroit's embarrassing 109-88 beatdown at the hands of the <a class="sbn-auto-link" href="https://www.brewhoop.com/">Milwaukee Bucks</a> is that it was sort of fun seeing <span>Greg Monroe</span> beast on his old team.</p>
<p>The game was close for about a quarter and a half but there were signs of trouble almost instantly. Milwaukee's beleaguered point guard <span>Michael Carter-Williams</span> was hitting shots, getting into the lane at will and dishing assists like his coach <span>Jason Kidd</span> used to. Milwaukee, the league's worst rebounding team was doubling up Detroit on the boards.</p>
<p>Then the wheels really came off. Detroit cut the lead to 47-45 with 2:40 left in the second quarter when Andre Drummond and <span>Ersan Ilyasova</span> combined for six rebounds and a final Dre tip-in. From there, Milwaukee blitzed Detroit with Greg Monroe eating Drummond's lunch in the low post and Milwaukee sinking everything from the perimeter.</p>
<p>The game started to get away from Detroit not just because of a poor defensive effort, but because the offense was in shambles. Flow was nonexistent and any semblance of a game plan was not apparent. Detroit role players were puzzlingly passive all game long, and eventually that led to <span>Reggie Jackson</span> and even <span>Andre Drummond</span> forcing offense. Unsurprisingly, it didn't work.</p>
<p>Milwaukee took a 10-point lead into halftime and despite heavy minutes from Detroit's starters in the third, the lead ballooned to 24. The starters strolled off the floor for the last time with 90 seconds to go in the third and the game all but decided.</p>
<p>Detroit shot a woeful 34 percent as a team while allowing Milwaukee to shoot 51.8 percent, including 69.2 percent from 3.</p>
<p>The <a class="sbn-auto-link" href="https://www.detroitbadboys.com/">Pistons</a> were led by <span>Kentavious Caldwell-Pope</span> with 17 points. Drummond added 15 points and 15 rebounds.</p>
<p>Monroe had 20 points and 13 rebounds in his revenge game against his former team while six other Bucks scored in double figures.</p>
<p>This team is confounding because it walks a razor's edge where if any little piece malfunctions then everything starts breaking down and there are no players who can settle down the offense. There is no rhyme or reason to nights when they'll beat great teams or when they'll put up a stinker to a struggling team like tonight.</p>
<p>Come back, Brandon Jennings. Come back, Jodie Meeks. Trade for <span>Anthony Morrow</span>, <span>Stan Van Gundy</span>.</p>
https://www.detroitbadboys.com/2015/11/23/9789622/detroit-pistons-milwaukee-bucks-recap-greg-monroe-andre-drummondSean Corp2015-11-23T19:00:02-05:002015-11-23T19:00:02-05:00Pistons vs. Bucks GameThread
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<p>Greg Monroe is back! Ersan Ilyasova is back too, I guess, but reversed!</p> <table class="sbnu-legacy-content-table" cellpadding="5" cellspacing="5" align="center" border="1"><tbody> <tr><th colspan="3" align="center" bgcolor="silver">2015 NBA Regular Season</th></tr> <tr> <td width="240"><center><img src="http://cdn3.sbnation.com/assets/3482853/detroit-pistons-logo-225.jpg"></center></td> <th width="20" align="center">vs.</th> <td width="240"><center> </center></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="240"> <center></center> <center>7-6</center> <center></center> </td> <th width="20" align="center"></th> <td width="240"><center>5-4 (2-2 home)</center></td> </tr> <tr><td colspan="3" align="center" bgcolor="silver"><strong>November 23, 2015, 8:00 p.m. EST</strong></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="3" align="center"><strong>The BMO Harris Bradley Center</strong></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="3" align="center"><strong>FSD, FSO, 105.1 FM</strong></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="3" align="center"><a href="http://www.awin1.com/cread.php?awinmid=4292&awinaffid=173843&p=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ticketsnow.com%2FTicketsNow%2Fdetroit-pistons-tickets%2F" target="_blank" data-ref-index="6" rel="sponsored nofollow noopener">Pistons Tickets</a></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="3" align="center"> <a data-ref-index="7" href="https://www.detroitbadboys.com/" class="sbn-auto-link">Pistons</a> -3</td></tr> <tr><th colspan="3" align="center" bgcolor="silver"><strong>Probable Starters</strong></th></tr> <tr> <td width="240" align="right"><span>Reggie Jackson</span></td> <th width="20" align="center">PG</th> <td width="240"><span>Michael Carter-Williams</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="240" align="right"><span>Kentavious Caldwell-Pope</span></td> <th width="20" align="center">SG</th> <td width="240">Kris Middleton</td> </tr> <tr> <td width="240" align="right"><span>Marcus Morris</span></td> <th width="20" align="center">SF</th> <td width="240"><span>Giannis Antetokounmpo</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="240" align="right"><span>Ersan Ilyasova</span></td> <th width="20" align="center">PF</th> <td width="240"><span>Jabari Parker</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="240" align="right"><span>Andre Drummond</span></td> <th width="20" align="center">C</th> <td width="240"><span>Greg Monroe</span></td> </tr> </tbody></table>
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<p><a href="http://www.detroitbadboys.com/2015/11/23/9783278/pistons-vs-bucks-preview-greg-monroe-andre-drummond">DBB Game Preview: Pistons vs. Bucks</a><br><a href="http://www.detroitbadboys.com/2015/11/23/9784698/detroit-pistons-chauncey-billups-ben-wallace-jersey-retirement">Billups, Wallace jersey retirement dates set</a><br><a href="http://www.detroitbadboys.com/2015/11/23/9783374/kentavious-caldwell-popes-understated-breakout">Caldwell-Pope's understated breakout</a><br><a href="http://www.detroitbadboys.com/2015/11/23/9778002/the-tao-of-dinwiddie">The Tao of Dinwiddie (Dinwiddie approved!)</a></p>
https://www.detroitbadboys.com/2015/11/23/9788078/pistons-vs-bucks-game-time-tv-schedule-odds-and-moreSean Corp2015-11-23T17:13:58-05:002015-11-23T17:13:58-05:00Bucks Q & A with Brew Hoop
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<p>One of the surprise teams of 2014-15, the Milwaukee Bucks have struggled out of the gate this season. Here’s the scoop on what’s happening from their SB Nation site.</p> <p>If either a <a href="https://www.brewhoop.com/" class="sbn-auto-link">Bucks</a> or <a href="https://www.detroitbadboys.com/" class="sbn-auto-link">Pistons</a> fan pulled a Rip Van Winkle after the 2012-13 season, and just woke up now, they could probably be forgiven for not knowing which roster to root for. Both rosters have experienced an abundance of turnover the past couple of years, with <span>Ersan Ilyasova</span>, <span>Brandon Jennings</span>, Kris Middleton and <span>Greg Monroe</span> actually switching sides.</p>
<p>Jennings is still idled by the Achilles injury he suffered the last time these two teams played for keeps – a 101-86 Milwaukee victory on Jan. 24. (Since then another former Piston, <span>Brandon Knight</span>, has moved on to sunny Arizona.) But Ilyasova has taken on the starting job for Detroit at power forward that Monroe previously held, and is the team’s best 3-point marksman at .458. Monroe now mans the middle for the Bucks, and Middleton starts at shooting guard. Both players signed big contracts this past summer, so they will probably make their home in Wisconsin for the foreseeable future.</p>
<p>Frank Madden is the Managing Editor at <em><a href="http://www.brewhoop.com/?_ga=1.79111121.49247168.1439088635" target="new">Brew Hoop</a></em>, and he graciously answered the following questions for us:</p>
<p><strong>1. The Bucks are off to a rough start (5-8), and the biggest surprise is that their defense, expected to be a strength like last season, is currently rated 30th. What's going on?</strong></p>
<p>That's the biggest question facing the Bucks right now, and I'm not sure there's a straight-forward answer -- or at least one that points to a clear solution. Among other things, they've been horrendous on the defensive boards (if <span>Andre Drummond</span> ever wanted to grab 30 rebounds, it's tonight), allowed opponents to shoot a high percentage from three, conceded a higher percentage inside the arc, and forced fewer turnovers than a year ago. Teams seem to be using ball swings and skip passes to take advantage of the Bucks' vulnerabilities on the weak side, and with a number of new pieces thrown into the mix they haven't been as cohesive as a year ago. That's spelled disaster thus far, though it's likely that their rotations continue to improve. They also can't rebound this poorly all season -- they're almost 5% worse than the 29th ranked team, which doesn't seem sustainable given they were about 5% better a year ago with comparable personnel. I certainly expect they'll improve, but the big concern is that opponents have figured out the gimmicks they used a year ago.</p>
<p><strong>2. How is Greg Monroe fitting in? Has he played about how you expected?</strong></p>
<p>He's been pretty much as advertised. He's scoring effectively from the block, passing well from the high post, and is seemingly the only competent defensive rebounder on the roster. Defensively, he started slowly along with the rest of the team, though the Bucks have actually been much worse defensively when <span>John Henson</span> has been on the court. My biggest concern is that while the Bucks have been very effective establishing him in first quarters, teams seem to make adjustments and crowd him more effectively as games go on.</p>
<p><strong>3. <span>Jabari Parker</span> is back. How has he played so far? Going forward, how do you see his role meshing with that of <span>Giannis Antetokounmpo</span>?</strong></p>
<p>He definitely had a feeling-out period initially -- the "just happy to be on the court" period seemed to last about a week -- but the good news is that a) he's now starting to make the sort of explosive plays around the hoop that made him so effective a year ago and b) his defensive positioning and awareness have generally been much better than a year ago (when they were rather poor). He's thrown down a number of highlight reel dunks over the past 10 days, and his 73% finishing rate at the rim speaks to the fact that he's getting past the physical and mental hurdles that come with a major knee injury. While he's been a good shooter throughout high school and college, he's shown zero interest in three pointers thus far, which is a bit of a double-edged sword. On the one hand it's nice to see him aggressively looking to put pressure on defenses, but he's also going to need that shot at some point -- and he's chucked up his share of contested long twos as well.</p>
<p>Still, he's remained a fairly low usage guy thus far, and so hopefully the Bucks can start to involve him more directly in the offense going forward. The Bucks have played at a very slow pace with Jabari on the court thus far, though there have been signs of them pushing the tempo more with MCW, Giannis and Jabari over the past couple games. He's also added little in terms of rebounding, which has obviously compounded the Bucks' overall struggles on the boards. Still, my biggest worry with Jabari in the short term is health -- he's till just 11 months removed from major knee surgery and provided a scare last week when he missed a game with foot soreness. He came back to play 30 minutes in Cleveland, and his minutes will continue to be something to watch in the coming weeks and months.</p>
<p>As far as Jabari and Giannis go, <a href="http://www.brewhoop.com/2015/11/21/9768886/giannis-antetokounmpo-jabari-parker-bucks-future" target="new">I like their fit long-term</a>, though it would obviously help if one or both of them could become more consistent threats from deep. They're fairly interchangeable in terms of position, with Giannis the more versatile defender who typically handles an opponent's best player. Playing with Middleton and MCW further helps the Bucks ability to switch, as all of them can move their feet well.</p>
<p><strong>4. Bucks do not shoot a lot of threes (26th), but they are making .368 (6th). How do you see the team building on this bright spot?</strong></p>
<p>No starting five has less interest in shooting threes than the Bucks', which is both reflective of their style and also rather frustrating. For instance, it seems like they go out of their way to get <span>Khris Middleton</span> touches on the block and off screens inside the arc, which has underutilized his terrific shooting ability outside of the arc -- not to mention the fact that defenses can sag on Middleton since he's the only perimeter threat in the starting five. After hitting 52% on corner threes last year, his share of threes from the corners has fallen form 40% to 15%, and he's struggled inside the arc despite hitting 41% of his threes overall.</p>
<p>Otherwise I'm not sure there's much hope MCW ever becomes more than a vaguely passable perimeter shooter -- he's hit a third of his threes this year, but that's not terribly impressive considering how much teams help off him. Giannis has shot the same rate and has looked improved from the corners (4/6), though that's still a process for him. Either way, I have much more confidence in Giannis and Jabari becoming solid three point shooters than MCW.</p>
<p>That leaves the bench to be the ones who stretch the floor, with <span>Jerryd Bayless</span>, <span>O.J. Mayo</span> and <span>Greivis Vasquez</span> the only rotation guys other than Middleton willing to put up threes with any real volume. <span>Chris Copeland</span> and <span>Rashad Vaughn</span> aren't bashful either, though they haven't found a way to crack Kidd's rotation thus far. The weird part is that the Bucks offense has been improved even without much shooting from deep. Entering the Indy game they were 11th in offensive efficiency, though a horrendous second half saw them plummet all the way to 21st.</p>
https://www.detroitbadboys.com/2015/11/23/9784730/our-buds-at-brew-hoop-answer-some-burning-questions-about-the-bucksrevken2015-11-23T14:30:02-05:002015-11-23T14:30:02-05:00Pistons take on struggling Bucks
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<p>Detroit looks to get back on track in Milwaukee.</p> <h4 style="text-align: center;">The Situation</h4>
<p>Playoffs.</p>
<p>Anything less would be a huge disappointment for this <a class="sbn-auto-link" href="https://www.detroitbadboys.com/">Pistons</a> squad. Yes, only thirteen games have been played. And yes, there's still a long way between here and there. But so far, the bottom half of the Eastern Conference is better than it has been in years, which means every single game matters.</p>
<p>Games like this - against a division rival that's playing poorly - are winnable and need to be won.</p>
<p>Prior to the season, the <a class="sbn-auto-link" href="https://www.brewhoop.com/">Milwaukee Bucks</a> were part of the Playoff conversation. Not a shoe in, certainly, but a team that would be expected to compete for the sixth, seventh, or eighth seed. So far, though, it's been ugly in Milwaukee.</p>
<p>Other than <span>Greg Monroe</span>, almost nothing is going right for the Bucks.</p>
<p>A year ago, they were among the league's elite defenses, second only the the NBA Champion <a class="sbn-auto-link" href="https://www.goldenstateofmind.com/">Golden State Warriors</a> in points allowed per one hundred possessions. This year, they are dead last.</p>
<p>The perimeter play has been as mess. I'm not sold on <span>Michael Carter-Williams</span> as an NBA point guard anywhere, but he's definitely the wrong fit here. Former Piston Khris Middleton still has his stroke from deep, but everywhere else not so much.</p>
<p>And they're coming off two whoopings from the Cavs and <a class="sbn-auto-link" href="https://www.indycornrows.com/">Pacers</a> -- 115-100 and 123-86 (!!!) respectively.</p>
<p>Greg Monroe has been good, though, and <span>Jabari Parker</span> has some promise. So, there's that.</p>
<h4 style="text-align: center;">Keys to the Game</h4>
<p><strike><i>Feed the Moose:</i></strike> Wait, that's not right. Old habits, I guess.</p>
<p><i>Contain the Moose</i>: Greg Monroe is a good player and currently the Bucks' best player by quite a bit. He's still a double-double machine (sixteen points and just shy of ten boards), his improved free throw shooting from a season ago seems to have stuck, and in spite of his teammates' struggles, he's actually assisting at a higher rate than he ever did in Detroit. On paper, <span>Andre Drummond</span> should have the edge here, but we've all seen how crafty Moose can be in the post. Stop him, and the chances of winning are good.</p>
<p><i>Run in transition</i>: I've been on this soapbox since the preseason, and I'm not getting off of it anytime soon. The Pistons have dynamic players in the fast break - <span>Reggie Jackson</span>, <span>Kentavious Caldwell-Pope</span>, and a trailing Andre Drummond - but they have not yet been maximized. In addition to being terrible defensively so far, the Bucks are also playing at the NBA's slowest pace. The Bucks' poor shooting and bad defense combined with the Pistons' dominance glass work and advantage in transition should work in our favor.</p>
<p><i>Let Reggie go ham</i>: On paper, the Bucks should be a good defensive team, but games are not played on paper. Reggie should have a one-on-one advantage against the Bucks' point guards, and as much as I've been his fan, Greg Monroe will have a hard time covering the Reggie-Drummond pick-and-roll. Reggie - and thus the Pistons - is at his best when he's attacking relentlessly,</p>
<h4 style="text-align: center;">Community Question</h4>
<p>Is Greg Monroe destined to be the best player on nothing but bad teams?</p>
https://www.detroitbadboys.com/2015/11/23/9783278/pistons-vs-bucks-preview-greg-monroe-andre-drummondBen Gulker